Right from Wrong…who says?

I am hoping that most of you will read THIS ARTICLE that great friend and past blogger Elmer’s Brother sent me.  It’s important and thought provoking and tells us a lot about why America’s slipping in so many vital ways like good virtues (although, as the article suggests, who is Z to know good virtues from bad?)  Common Cause is referred to in the article, by the way.   I’d like your opinions.

Can a people survive when RIGHT from WRONG is not fairly cut and dried? When people are confused as to what’s right and what’s wrong?

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If there IS no arbiter of right from wrong, then what?   The Leftwingers might say that’s a good thing;  nobody will be judged, nobody’s feelings hurt.   The Rightwingers might say it’s a bad thing;  discernment helps keep our society healthy and prosperous and virtuous.  Oops, who says what’s virtuous, right?

Do you agree with the article?  

This once made sense…does it still in our society?:

wrong is wrong
Z

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20 Responses to Right from Wrong…who says?

  1. silverfiddle says:

    A shared sense of what is right and what is wrong is a strong component of a healthy society. Social rats and termites have been eating away at that foundation for over 100 years.

    Add in that our government schools have been inculcating the mental rot described in the article, and you have a people ripe for believing whatever their overlords tell them.

  2. Kid says:

    Well, I would say teaching morals and values is the parent’s job not the schools, which is why the family unit that the democrats are so keen on destroying is so important. I also think many people are either born with a conscience that keeps them from participating in evil or they are not.
    I sure knew some kids who didn’t and they didn’t get better over time, they got worse.

    Otherwise, Yes, it is not a good thing for people to be confused about how they should act in society or to completely disregard anything that could be labeled as opinion – if I read that right.

  3. I must say, not in the defense of the school poster, but the poster never addressed right and wrong directly.
    So the school wasn’t directly stating there is no right or wrong.
    That would be indefensible.
    As the writer pointed out, it is still faulty reasoning.
    Whether it’s a plot, or stupidity, it has an outcome.
    As Kid said, teaching morals and values is the parent’s job not the schools.
    But what the kids learn in school can override what the parents teach, if they even teach at all.
    There, of course, was a time that we taught morality in school.
    The Ten Commandments.
    Appealing to a higher moral source for moral guidance (someone outside the realm of human opinion) is an appeal to Constitutional Insurgent to tell us you can’t have religion in schools.
    And parents aren’t sending their kids to Sunday School anymore.

  4. skudrunner says:

    Has everyone seen the news about the riots over the shooting of two police officers in Ferguson.

    Yea Me neither

  5. John M. Berger says:

    “Can a people survive when RIGHT from WRONG is not fairly cut and dried? When people are confused as to what’s right and what’s wrong?” NO!

    Sadly, our departure from self-discipline, by loss of faith, assures increased chaos and more government intervention. While the manifestation of this is glaringly observable on the Left, it seems to be permeating our society, at large. Although I’m not perfect and never have been, I’m glad that I won’t be around to see where [we] are headed, on our present trajectory. I guess Orwell taught us nothing.

  6. John M. Berger says:

    @Kid,

    “Well, I would say teaching morals and values is the parent’s job not the schools,”

    I agree 100% but it also presupposes some sort of family structure that seems to be dissipating*.

    *Please see my reference to “government intervention” in the comment, above.

  7. Kid says:

    John, “Sadly, our departure from self-discipline, by loss of faith, assures increased chaos and more government intervention.”

    Exactly.

  8. Angel says:

    was just contemplating this very topic Z!!

  9. Well, at least you can credit the schools with provoking thought in the students. This is something I wish all their parents did before voting during the past two Presidential Elections!

  10. Baysider says:

    Excellent link! and post.
    I found the link and several sub links with actual lessons worth going through.

    It reminds me of a father who was at some kind of grade school open house. I think this was the values clarification era, and the ‘values’ they taught were posted around the classroom and on the door so kids couldn’t miss it. The teacher was remarking on a problem with theft in the school. The father said “maybe you should post a big sign on the wall: Don’t Steal. Know right from wrong is similar to having traffic rules. And the lack leads to chaos.

    Bob Vernon founded a global institute giving character-based ethical leadership seminars anchored in the 10 commandments as “time tested universal principles.” He was invited to do a lot of work in the early days of former Soviet bloc countries, as well as in Russia itself, which had lost the clarity of such principles during the Soviet era. He found everywhere people attuned to these even if the language was expressed very differently, as it was in Red China, e.g. This suggests that there are common basic precepts that anchor the ethics and behavior for a functional society.

    We’ve also conflated thoughts and feelings for years. Thomas Sowell saw the beginning of this trend when he taught at UCLA!! He began to notice students would respond to a fairly cut-and-dried economics question with “I feel……” instead of “I think.”

  11. Mustang says:
    Knowing right from wrong used to be a matter of common sense, reinforced over time through parenting.

    This morning, I listened to what appeared to be an ex-sailor-turned-complete-moron argue in favor of providing pot to anyone with PTSD. I am not sure how this CAT IV-Zulu ended up in the Navy to begin with, or how he was diagnosed with PTSD, but my guess is that such diagnoses by military or VA doctors are arrived at in a manner similar to having a child diagnosed with ADHD: anyone picking their nose in class (or at morning muster). The sailor emphatically argued that pot helps to reduce incidents of suicide among veterans. “Balderdash,” said a research scientist. It is impossible to cure psychotic behavior with substances known to produce or increase psychotic behavior. Rather than saving persons prone to commit suicide, pot actually increases the risk.

    Apparently, this sailor is someone who does not know right from wrong; worse, he seems incapable of distinguishing between that which is good for you, and that which will produce great harm. My guess is that there are several explanations for this young man’s attitudes. The first involves his parents (or single parent), but adding to this is irresponsible public policy, which begins with insufficient consequences for breaking the rules.

    On the issue of PTSD, we should wonder how veterans of two world wars, Korea, and Vietnam dealt with post-combat stress without having to resort to infantile crying jags in front of TV cameras, or doping up on harmful chemicals. My guess is that they were men who learned about manhood from their manly fathers who had the able assistance of attentive mothers —as distinguished from lesbian mommies or a mommy named Hank.

  12. “Balderdash”, Mustang? I was criticized for saying “Egad”! 🙂

  13. geeez2014 says:

    Angel! I’d email you but can’t seem to find your email on my site anymore since I crashed a year or two ago. I can’t go to your blog because McAfee seems to want to warn me CAUTION~ Are you sure you want to open that site:?”
    What’s happening? I miss your blog but simply can’t take the chance when I see that BIG red pop up warning 😦

  14. geeez2014 says:

    SF…Amen to that. Can we fix this? What’s your opinion on that? I know a LOT of folks are starting to home school, but…………

    Kid, and we don’t need encouragement by teachers to NOT think there are rights and wrongs, either, do we. They should BUTT OUT.

    Ed, one principal says “The punchline: there are no moral facts. And if there are no moral facts, then there are no moral truths.” I think that right/wrong thing is inferred here…if there are no moral facts, is there every anything RIGHT? Not sure about this and it’s a bit of a circular thinking and, frankly, the article was a bit confusing (as Kid implied) so I’ll leave it up to you!
    We have a thriving Sunday School, but you make an EXCELLENT POINT. IN GENERAL, that which used to be ‘the thing parents did’ is definitely NOT that anymore…
    I suppose there was a day when neighbors said “that’s the Smiths…they don’t go to church!” (Horrors!! Judgmental, awful, but you get my drift for my next point…) Today, it’s often “that’s the Smiths, THEY go to CHURCH!” (Horrors again!) Right!?

    Skudrunner, a LOT off topic but your point’s well taken.

    John…very wise input, thank you. We won’t make it without a healthy family structure…we can’t.
    the leftwingers are sharpening their knives.

    Baysider, glad you liked the links inside the article, too. At the school I’m associated with (you know).. one English teacher stenciled amazing Biblical quotes on the school walls in her classroom…all uplifting, promising, beautifully crafted ….so uplifting! The other has AMAZING quotes about reading, about 50 of them, from famous writers……good stuff! She’s a solid Christian and has a Girls’ bible study during one break in her class. These kids are getting it, IF THEY WANT IT.
    and they see the teachers LIVING good lives.

    Mustang; remember when you and I emailed stats one of us had found about how LOW PTSD actually is…and how comparatively low the suicide rate is among military ….the news says 20 a DAY…it’s not true. And, while we know there was ‘shell shock’, etc., from WWI and II, we also know soldiers did NOT come home wrecks like some of the kids we see today. I agree with you. I do know one woman whose brother came back from WWII and ever left the attic, but that’s mental illness perhaps degraded through war experiences…men DID not always do GREAT but they didn’t whine for more goodies. They just did not.\

    Balderdash!!

  15. John M. Berger says:

    @Mustang,
    “The sailor emphatically argued that pot helps to reduce incidents of suicide among veterans.”
    Well then I guess that LSD would, completely, eliminate PTSD.

  16. As for WWII PTSD, I’m reminded of a man who was Unbroken who spoke of his depression and alcoholism (relieved by faith in Jesus).
    My point is that he did not complain, but like many others, he was suffering.

  17. geeez2014 says:

    Yes, Ed, as I said, there was terrible shell shock and “men DID not always do GREAT but they didn’t whine for more goodies. They just did not.” Some did suffer. No doubt about it.

    John! Good point…heroin would elevate them to who knows what, right? 🙂

  18. Mustang says:

    @ Ed … he found relief for his suffering through the blood of Christ. This was, in my view, the right step … and yes, men suffered … they just did not whine about it. They were men, not pansies. I’ll add this: few WW II, Korean War, or Vietnam War veterans have much respect for veterans who come home from the Middle East and contemplate suicide. Add to this the example of Eddie Routh, killer of Chris Kyle … the man claims PTSD yet never served in combat. See my point? Serving in the rear with the gear doesn’t produce PTSD … it is a form of false valor.

  19. John M. Berger says:

    “yes, men suffered … they just did not whine about it. They were men, not pansies.”

    If you ask me the modern up-bringing of would be members of the military is not conducive to such. In particular when the enemy consists of totally un-civilized and un-uniformed, spooky barbarians. When you consider: no score sports, get in touch with your feminine side, lavish un-earned self-esteem….etc.; what chance do they have in the real world? There has been no change in the basic human organism for thousands of years but other things sure have changed. OK, sorry for dwelling on the obvious.

  20. Guys, like I said, “My point is that he did not complain, ,,,”

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