“Campaign” against ISIS?

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                   Did you see the story about Obama’s visit to the Pentagon yesterday?

HERE is an article about it.  My question is, can we really call the fight against ISIS (he always calls it ISIL) a ‘campaign’ as he does?   Is it a ‘campaign’ or should we call it a ‘war’, or a ‘crusade?’..OK, maybe not crusade (I’m kidding!)

WHY does he have to use terms like “JV” and “Whack-a-Mole?”   Why can’t he speak normal Presidential English we’re used to hearing?

I am positive he has information we don’t have, obviously…but it occurs to me that ANY OF US could have come out of the Pentagon with the same speech he made.   Nothing new.  Nothing interesting.  No reassurance that we’ll get ISIS.  Just warnings and that this is a ‘generational’ thing.

What worried me was:   “At the same time, he braced the public for a “long-term campaign” that will involve a “generational struggle” — a global battle with extremists for hearts and minds.”

I’m always afraid Obama means “We need to give them money, then when they’re rich and we’re poor, they’ll like us and stop attacking.”

How do you feel about all of this?  I don’t mind playing whack-a-mole if huge bombs are the whacks and ISIS is the moles……..Should he refer to this awful fight of really threatening enemies a “campaign?”

     What would YOU DO AGAINST ISIS?

Z

 

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27 Responses to “Campaign” against ISIS?

  1. Obama said: “Ideologies are defeated by ideas”
    As Jonah Goldberg said: “Unleash the dogs of persuasion!”.
    Or,”We shall debate them on the beaches. We shall dialogue with them in the fields…”

    What would I do? I’d mobilize public opinion, review military options, build a coalition.
    And threaten the daylights out of Iran, the primary threat.
    I’d scrap any agreements and re-impose harsh sanctions on them.

    Then, I’d worry about ISIS.

  2. bunkerville says:

    Ask Germany if Hitler’s ideologies was defeated by an idea. Ask Japan. It was changed by the end of a gun and bomb. Our Community organizer cannot get off his dime.

  3. I’m sick of hearing the phrase hearts and minds!

    GWB talked about that a lot. How has that effort to win hearts and minds worked out in actual fact?

    The same people who welcomed our forces in the early stages of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and many Muslims who grew up in Western nations are now embracing the most vile of jihads.against us. Furthermore, this round of Islamomaniacs are so very tech savvy.

    Obama’s use of the term generational struggle should send chills up and down our spines! This never-ending war in the Middle East is like something out of Orwell’s 1984 and Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451.

  4. “debate them on the beaches…” I like that, Ed. Yes Z, these latest Obama comments really ticked me off and was also my topic today (what if General Patton channeled Obama?). Obama says ideologies are not defeated by guns, but he looks for every opportunity to restrict us bitter clinger’s arsenal.

  5. silverfiddle says:

    @ “At the same time, he braced the public for a “long-term campaign” that will involve a “generational struggle” — a global battle with extremists for hearts and minds.”

    The President was talking about his own endless campaigning for the progressive stranglehold on the hearts and minds of generations of voters.

    On ISIS: We should provide material assistance to the Kurds but otherwise stay the hell out. The Iraqi government is a client of Iran, so helping Iraq is de facto helping the Turds in Turbans who run Iran.

    Also, I agree with others that we need to drop the ‘hearts and minds’ crap. It won’t work. I don’t care about their hearts and minds. I do want them pissing their pants in fear when they think of Uncle Sam, but with our sanitized and ‘humane ‘ operations against man-caused crises, that ain’t happenin’…

  6. Lisa says:

    If Obama would show as much passion as he does against Republicans and “Climate Change”, then maybe they would be a little more intimidated. He seems like he doesn’t even want to be there talking about this. Must have something to do with the fact he calls them ISIL. Maybe it’s a Muslim thing.
    Speaking of Barry, Tyrant is on tonight

  7. Kid says:

    First off – obama’s language – he’s a ghetto basketball obsessed punk and when he doesn’t have a teleprompter, it is on display.

    Dropping a bomb here or there isn’t going to have any affect at all on ISIS. Imagine going into a room, stomping on 5% of the cockroaches and leaving. This is how I regard everything we’ve done in the middle east so far since 2003 but if we are going to do something about ISIS, then let’s do something definitive. With the right kind of strategy, we can at least stomp all the ISIS cockroaches. I’d support an all out ground and air campaign since that is what this calls for.

    (Assuming we can get our Marines to hitch rides on Russian and Iranian ships to get there /sarc)

    Either that or let’s not put Anyone in Harm’s way.

    Ted Cruz’s idea is to properly arm the Kurd’s Peshmerga, but I don’t see the Kurds doing anything more than driving them out of Iraq at the very most and more likely, just driving them out of Northern Iraq where the Kurds occupy, so I believe we need our own military elements in there on the ground with an ROE that is the most protective of our troops. Without that we don’t go either – let Iraq and Syria deal with them. None of this avoiding blowing up mud huts nonsense. Map out where they are and hit them all at the same time.

    I also wouldn’t have any problem with an all out nuclear campaign. ISIS will eventually kill everyone else over there anyway. Half measures will have no lasting effect. We can see the whole place gets worse by the minute when left on its own.

  8. geeez2014 says:

    Ed…great suggestions…I honestly don’t think we’d have a tough time mobilizing public opinion if SOMEONE would talk about the threats here on our own turf and how our pres is afraid to call this TERROR, etc. I think most people would finally band together.

    Bunkerville; that’s exactly what I thought when I heard this…Germany and Japan couldn’t have been stopped through conversation!

    AOW, I think Obama means, by “generational struggle,” that HE can kick this problem down the street to the next pres and the next. Now he’s talking about helping Syria, as if he shouldn’t have a year ago? The really good thing is pieces I’ve read about Muslims fighting ISIS, and even the word on the street in Beirut, etc., at coffee houses, where they are fearful of this brand of islam, too. That’s at least something…

    Jerry…very good point about guns. Will come over to see your post, thanks!

    SF: “I do want them pissing their pants in fear when they think of Uncle Sam,”…those were the days, huh?

    Lisa, on TONIGHT? What is? And I agree with you….if only he had the same anger and fear of the terrorists as he does about weather!

    Kid, I am afraid I agree with everything you said. The Kurds are pretty much useless no matter how much we arm them. Then they run and hide and leave our arms for ISIS to gather and use against everyone. I’m with you. I just hope Israel does it.

  9. Mustang says:
    The longer our politicians run their mouths, the more convinced the moslems are that they can defeat us in the Middle East. It is their goal, after all, to expel the infidel from their “holy land.” Now, I do get the oil thing, but not sure why we are so determined to redistribution wealth from the US to the Middle East, when they take our money and use it to kill our young men and women. We have our own oil. And if our own oil isn’t enough to sustain our energy challenges, then we’d better get busy to develop new technologies that will. It would seem that our politicians are the gift that keeps on giving.

    How is it in our best interests to defeat ISIS critters? And by the way, aren’t these the same idiots John McCain argued that we Americans should arm, because it was the right thing to do? Middle East politics is convoluted, and we have no one in this country smart enough to figure it out. We should not be in the Middle East past the next ten seconds.

  10. Lisa says:

    Tyrant on FX . I am hooked. New season started 2 weeks ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant_(TV_series)

  11. He still won’t say “Islamic Terrorists”, so what else can you expect of him? Nothing has changed.

  12. “The Kurds are pretty much useless no matter how much we arm them. Then they run and hide and leave our arms for ISIS to gather and use against everyone.”
    Don’t confuse the Iraqis with the Kurds.

  13. geeez2014 says:

    Mustang, I totally agree that ISIS is licking its chops as they view senate hearings castigating senators, etc., see a president who’s clueless, and people who don’t have any will to stay safe, apparently. And I agree on the oil, but I’m not sure not trying to stop ISIS from taking permanent hold of Americans, either physically or just through fear tactics, isn’t a good idea?

    Lisa! Thanks…I’ll check into that. You mentioned: “Speaking of Barry, Tyrant is on tonight” and I thought you meant OBAMA is the tyrant and he’s speaking tonight :-)!!

    Mal…sadly, no, nothing’s changed

    Ed, I don’t believe the Kurds are any different. Also, many Kurds do regard themselves as Iraqis, and vice versa. I hope you’re right, and Kurds are much mightier and braver than those Iraqis we’d supposedly trained, who ran tail the minute things got tough…

  14. Kid says:

    Z, actually the Peshmerga are much better than the Iraqi’s – and they have ragtag weapons.

    http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/060720153

  15. silverfiddle says:

    Geeez,

    Ed is right. There is a HUGE difference between garden variety Iraqis and Kurds. The Kurds are heroic fighters, they’ve build a good economy in Kuristan, and they are a rare group in that region that likes the US.

    Please don’t insult them by lumping them in with everybody else. The Kurds are fighting, bleeding and dying against ISIS and the only ones who have dislodged ISIS from territory.

  16. geeez2014 says:

    Sorry to have insulted or misinformed anybody about Kurds in the region; I’ll never believe they can vanquish ISIS. Never. They may not ‘run and hide,’ but I don’t have high hopes.
    What needs to happen is what’s started there, Jordan getting involved, Saudi Arabia getting involved…it’s starting. I trust Jordan and I think they have a lot to lose if ISIS gets even more out of control.
    Thanks for all the input…I appreciate that. I just wish I had higher hopes. And I’m glad you guys do, that alone gives me a teensy bit of optimism.

  17. Kid says:

    Don’t make me have to come down there Z.. 🙂 And no, the Kurds cannot do it themselves.

    And ultimately, the neighboring countries should get involved or suffer the consequences.

  18. Mustang says:

    I hear ya Z but just for the sake of argument, are you lumping American street punks and black racist thugs in with Syrian rebels? If that’s the case, then I think you are giving black thugs in the USA more credit than is due. Michael Brown was no hero, or Trayvon Martin, or Eric Holder either, for that matter. I grant you It may be a romantic notion for Leon Mohammed bin-asshat to imagine that he is on a quest for Allah when in fact all he really thinks about is killing whitey cuz Shabazz tole him. Moreover, the American people can guard against Leon and others by taking responsibility for themselves and their families: CCL: when 20 minutes is too long to wait for police assistance.

  19. Silverlady says:

    People had better learn something about the history, beliefs, & most importantly, the intentions of the cult of the Muslims. Their intent is convert, and that means world-wide, or die. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. We are the GIAOUR, a great word for Scrabble, which means the unbelievers. Another word you had better get used to is TAQQIYA, the honorable (to them) practice of lying to the unbelievers. And then there is the JIZYAH, a heavy tax levied on those who aren’t Muslims, but allowed to live in Muslim lands. And DHIMMIS are the fools who are suckered into the belief that to go along is to get along. They are being played for the suckers they are.

    Taqqiya is exactly what is going on in Iran. John Kerry is a fool & a dupe to think he can outsmart them, as is Bampot. The only ones who would have had half a chance were Henry Kissinger, as he is a Jew, trained in critical thinking & argument, & maybe, just maybe, James Baker. Unfortunately, we are stuck with egotists, fools, & lightweights who have absolutely no idea of what they are facing. If this affair weren’t so frighteningly serious it would be high comedy.

  20. geeez2014 says:

    No, Mustang, I’m talking about the 100,000 tweets ISIS apparently sends daily…a whole lot of them have to be here, and the homegrown, or imported terror types are here to stay.
    I’m not counting the Black thugs who think they’re big-time Mohammed advocates…jerks.!!
    One of the great reasons for really closing our border (among many reasons) is hoping to stop Arabs from sneaking in.

    Kid, totally agree on surrounding countries. Bret Baier did an excellent hour on that and many ARE stepping up. It’s almost curious that it’s not discussed in the media as much as it might be….either it’s NOT as big a campaign as their king told Baier or the media doesn’t want us to know muslim countries are actually fighting muslims?

  21. Kid says:

    Z, well the three main moslem factions and now you might say 4 with ISIS have been fighting for 1400 years give or take.
    I suspect the other countries aren’t really doing much.

    Like the Jordanian president said he’d be bombing ISIS until he ran out of weapons, after they killed their pilot. Have they run out of weapons or don’t we hear about it anymore.

  22. Mustang says:

    The solution to the Middle East problem is really pig simple (Peace be upon him). All you have to do is convince Sunnis that Shi’ites are good to eat.

  23. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, that’s what I asked….why haven’t we heard it? I don’t think what we hear has anything to do with what’s really going on …. they showed clips of Jordanian jets and soldiers in action. We haven’t seen that in OUR media, that’s for SURE.
    I just saw some headlines saying Syria doesn’t WANT HELP from Jordan fighting ISIS.
    The whole thing is tiring.

    Mustang….Amen to that!

  24. Bob says:

    Obama is all about doing nothing. It is really funny, now, that a Democrat is having to admit that there really is a world-wide struggle against terrorism.

    Remember when George W Bush told the nation that this war could take decades? Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah! For years those half-wits were tying themselves into knots trying to describe this world-wide conflict as anything but. Oh, my! What goes around comes around. The problem is that we will pay and pay for Obama’s arrogance and ignorance.

    Obama’s whole speech was to deny that ISIS poses a current problem, and to verbally kick the can down the road to the next administration.

    “Debate them on the beaches…” Hilarious!

  25. Mustang says:

    Syria doesn’t WANT HELP from Jordan fighting ISIS.

    Syria is aligned with Iran (Shi’a), Jordon is Sun’ni; ISIS is pursuing a religious conquest, Syria and Jordan are attempting to maintain the political status quo. You’re right; it is tiring. It’s only been going on now for about 1,400 years.

  26. Baysider says:

    For anyone here who doesn’t know the context of Ed’s quote, let me add it (I carry this with me on my iPod, even). Churchill was prepared to fight the Nazis to the last man in June 1940 when he gave his famous We Shall Fight on the Beaches speech.

    “Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!”

    Jerry’s right – I thought of the whole speech (Winston’s, that is) and it struck me the only thing Obama has this attitude about is grinding US into the dust, not ISIS.

  27. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider, I can’t tell you how chilling it is to go to Normandy and walk down a sand berm to a bunker of concrete used by the NAZIS to shoot at our boys from….there’s about a 3″ slit, about 2′ long, maybe more…and gun noses fit in and they shot and shot just above the shore line….really chilling. Those darned concrete bunkers are almost impossible to get rid of; they’ve tried.
    What astonished me is that some of the HUGE divots from bombs are still there…weird, into the dirt and only slightly eroded. Didn’t make sense, but that’s true.
    Down the road a few miles is the German cemetery which the French GAVE to the Germans after the war…the sign over the gates says something like “Here lie german soldiers, many of whom did not pick the cause or the fight”. So moving. And so true.

    I love that speech and liked Ed’s take on it “DEBATE them on the beaches”…Really, how the heck long CAN we just debate while ISIS is strengthening and laughing at us, and Iran’s building bombs under our oh-so trust noses. We’re debating, Churchill was urging fighting; In my book? CHURCHILL WINS 🙂
    Thanks for your input!

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