Bill Cosby – Rapist?

cosby youngI think we were all more than dismayed when the rumors began circulating that Cosby was, let’s face it, a rapist.   I was disappointed because here was a Black man we could admire for being a MAN on his show, his having produced shows where it was more important to have character, get a good education, be a good father, than constantly emphasizing his race.   I believe all Americans were captivated by that difference between Cosby and so many other actors.

So now he has women (some say up to 40)  coming forth who say he plied them with Quaaludes some years back, unbeknownst to them, and took advantage of them.  This is bad, it brings him down, it destroys his reputation, it lowers our opinions of him; rightfully so.   But……

I heard a man on the radio today who knew Cosby in the Eighties, this guy was a ‘still photographer’ in the industry and took pictures at Quaalude parties, sort of like Paparazzi. He said he’d heard for years that Hollywood types wanted to bring Cosby down, to make him look bad.  He gave the reason that Cosby was a more Conservative Black man and Hollywood didn’t like that.  I have a little trouble believing that, but who knows?  I’d hardly consider Cosby a Rightwinger, most of those emails we have received in the past about him talking conservatism proved not to be true, by the way,  BUT, he did espouse intact family life in his show and in private life (even if most people knew he was a playboy for years).  He did talk about speaking good English, not Ebonics;  I’ll hand him that.

Did it ever occur to you to wonder what women were doing in private with him, having cocktails alone with him?  …Cocktails into which he allegedly dropped Quaaludes in?   Quaaludes heighten the desire to have sex and it apparently worked big time for his victims.   Some of the ‘victims’ have said they had consensual sex with him.   I’m guessing that was more the norm.  The photographer I mention above said that was basically why so many starlets and Hollywood wannabe girls went to those parties, hung around Cosby and so many others, to have sex in hopes of furthering their careers.

This guy even said that he saw so many men doing the same thing Cosby was doing that he can’t believe Cosby is the only guy being nailed now and can only attribute it to either peoples’ conceptions that Cosby was Conservative or so rich and famous that others were envious of the rich and successful Black guy and wanted to bring him down.  This man said he couldn’t figure out why women only today are coming out (why not sooner? tho some did), and only about Cosby, when this behavior was so rampant by so many actors, married or not.  Cosby represented good stuff to us for years…”I SPY” was fun, his comedy albums are fabulous, he loved to play drums at Sunset Blvd clubs (I saw him sitting in with a big band once), his COSBY SHOW was an enormous hit. We loved Bill Cosby.  We, or at least I, thought ‘Great!  Finally, a Black man who’s portraying Blacks as educated, good people!  Finally setting a good example!’

I’m not standing up for any rapist, for anybody who’d secretly (supposedly?) drop Quaaludes in alcohol, who’d take advantage of women.   All I’m saying is we should be asking ourselves what this is all about.   Even if he did lure women with drugs and whatever else, should this be the end of his career and reputation?  This, I’m a little ‘iffy’ on myself.  Nobody wants to admire a rapist of any ilk.

Anybody agree with me on at least asking ourselves what’s behind this, and if the women were, indeed, not such unwitting participants?  Again, please…I’m not excusing this kind of behavior from ANYONE, but why would women so willingly put themselves in those situations?  ….One-on-one in an office or home, with booze and an older guy…(just for a chat?)……joining parties known to be ‘hook up’ parties, from what this photographer said today, etc.

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What do you think about it?

Z

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44 Responses to Bill Cosby – Rapist?

  1. alec says:

    This situation with Bill Cosby illustrates how we are bombarded with morally ambiguous situations which lead us to “feel” negative emotions without being able to “think” through clearly right and wrong. It breaks down our ability to see good and evil.

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  2. Old AF Sarge says:

    I have been suspicious of this case from Day One. For exactly the reasons you cite.

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  3. silverfiddle says:

    I believe this to be the crux of it:

    “This guy even said that he saw so many men doing the same thing Cosby was doing that he can’t believe Cosby is the only guy being nailed now and can only attribute it to either peoples’ conceptions that Cosby was Conservative or so rich and famous that others were envious of the rich and successful Black guy and wanted to bring him down.”

    Yeah, he did it, but it was a common practice, and it is abhorrent. It is just another iteration of the casting couch.

    People are rarely brought down over whole-cloth fabrications. Usually, it is because a weakness is exposed. Cosby didn’t fit the mold, some people probably wanted to take him down, and he provided them the ammo to do it.

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  4. Kid says:

    From what we know at this point, I’d be hesitant to call it rape, but certainly taking maximum advantage of young naive women. I’d say some of those women are after money and some maybe were raped while sleeping as some of the stories go.

    I’m sure we’ll find out.

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  5. bunkerville says:

    Regardless, the issue is that he presented himself as the Paradigm of Virtue. A role model, especially for Black kids. He spoke at my College graduation. I heard his words. That is what is different from “just another iteration of the casting couch.” He needs to crawl back in the hole from whence he came.

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  6. bunkerville says:

    Make that Paragon of virtue!!

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  7. geeez2014 says:

    Bunkerville, that is exactly what bugs me, what hurts so many of us; he was what we thought was a Paragon of Virtue; that’s why we’re SO UPSET about this and, perhaps, why he’s the ONLY ONE at those Quaalude parties, etc., who’s been nailed.

    Kid, I’m sure we’ll find out, too….unless this is all swept under Gloria Allred’s very expensive rug after her clients get enough cash. I could not BLIEVE the kind of crazed glee in her eyes for the latest information that had come to her attention….oh, yes, “He can’t hide anymore!” She was thrilled and showed it, which I found disgusting and unprofessional.
    My point is they were mostly not young naive women, but women who put themselves in really silly positions of privacy, drinking with a much older man OR at Quaalude parties.

    SF: Exactly…I so wish he had NOT provided them ‘with the ammo’.

    Hi, Old Sarge! Thanks for that…I was starting to think I was championing rapist behavior and nobody’d agree with me here. But, of course, I’m NOT. NEVER WOULD. Just really queasy about all this. Why him? why NOW?

    alec, you make a very good point…Our media crowds us with thinking we must step back from, mustn’t we. Thanks.

    I’m heartbroken about this because it does seem like everything we’ve held dear over the years has been brought down to that terrible liberal value of American mediocrity…”Nobody’s special, don’t celebrate people or things, this country’s been lying to ya!”; Geo. Washington’s now taught as having been nothing but a slave owner, there are articles that say the Dec. was NOT signed on the Fourth, Betsy Ross did not sew the first flag, nothing the Kochs can do is good and all we ever DO hear of Soros is wonderful, etc etc…………
    a concerted effort? I think so.

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  8. Silverlady says:

    Sorry, but those women may have put themselves in the situation because they were dazzled by celebrity and/or fame. We’ve all heard about the casting couches in La-La Land. One
    (in)famous studio boss had a different ‘starlet’ wannabe delivered to his office every afternoon at about for o’clock. In case you had any doubts, I’m no feminist! Any person’s reputation is up to them to maintain; victimization by criminal thugs using weapons or other tactics are an exception. I see $$$$$$$$ & notoriety on the horizon in many cases like this. Very politically improper, but there is an old saying, ‘Woman runs faster with skirts up than man with pants down.’ If true, the women were dumb, Cosby arrogant, criminal, & stupid. He’s lost his credibility in the black community when it comes to telling the youngsters & others how to behave.

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  9. geeez2014 says:

    Silverlady, that’s one thing I’ve not heard too much from Cosby…telling youngsters how to behave. he did tell them to stop EBONICS.
    And ya, we’ve all agreed above that the women are not always quite so innocent.

    NO woman deserves rape or anything like what happened in all these MANY cases, but I believe that women sometimes do bring it on themselves.
    Remember Tyson’s attacking that young girl who WENT TO HIS HOTEL ROOM? Why the heck would any girl do that, unless…………..???http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mike-tyson-rapes-a-miss-black-america-contestant
    “oh, SURE I’ll come up to your hotel room so you can pick something up there” Nutty. But, I KNOW we women can be sweet talked and believe the perp…I’m just sayin’

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  10. geeez2014 says:

    If Cosby wasn’t a Black man, do you think Whoopie Goldberg would be saying that the comedian is “still innocent until proven guilty.”
    🙂

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  11. Mal says:

    Well, not everyone is what they appear to be, are they? No one is perfect. He did try to convey a moral attitude as a role model not only for Black folks but for everyone. He hasn’t denied his role and has owned up to it. Perhaps he has mellowed with age and rues his past. Whatever, it is a big disappointment for all of us, kind of like many others, like Pete Rose and A-Rod in baseball. Plus many others. Most of you are too young to remember Errol Flynn and his episode with a young lady on his yacht years ago. Today, that would hardly make the news. But it is sad to see this happen to someone we all admired and looked up to.

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  12. JOHN M BERGER says:

    “Nobody wants to admire a rapist of any ilk.”
    Well it seemed to work for Clinton!

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  13. C-CS says:

    he is not the man we thought he was- that is true-
    I look at those of my sex (F) and wonder- why do Females feel they ‘need’ a wealthy – powerful man – and so lower themselves to ‘be with him’ ?
    C-CS

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  14. Silverlady says:

    Errol Flynn, Charlie Chaplin (the nickname for the goats on Catalina Island was ‘Charlies’), Fatty Arbuckle, cleared at his 3rd trial, but career ruined, just to name 3. But the women sought them out over & over. Clark Gable had a daughter by Loretta Young, a devout Catholic(!). She got pregnant when they were working in Alaska. The young woman didn’t find out until about the time she married. Looked just like him, ears & all.

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  15. Mal says:

    I’ve often wondered about that also, C-CS.

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  16. Imp says:

    Well…Buh Bye Bill…Guess we’re stuck with the Kardashians or Lindsey Lohan or Miley only now?

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  17. Baysider says:

    @ C-CS: wealthy, powerful men represent status and security to women …. and, well, power. Intoxicating power and status. Throw in aspirations of hitting it big in Hollywood, alcohol and drugs. Whew!

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    Carol (C-CS),. you really wonder that? It’s so universal and so rampant over all the centuries. Sad, but so typical.

    SilverLady, the YOung/Gable baby was actually quite attractive. And I don’t think their career was any more ruined than Ingrid Bergman’s for having had a child out of marriage .. it all came back. Flynn was just a raving drunk who didn’t have long to live, anyway. I knew some of his family. Chaplin was a pervert with what I think was a Napoleonic complex…. read some of the autobiogs of women who’d been with him, like Paulette Goddard. Yikes. He actually thrived..
    Arbuckle, yes, his career was ruined and it should have been.

    John. EXCELLENT POINT!

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  19. If Quaalude parties were popular in the 80’s — and I’ve read that they were in certain circles — I have to wonder why it is that only Cosby has been targeted.

    Has anyone else who used the Quaalude parties in the same manner been targeted?

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  20. PS: I see to recall hearing something about Roman Polanski and Quaalude parties.

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  21. geeez2014 says:

    AOW…Yes, I mention that above, and also the guy I heard on the radio who was hired to photograph celeb parties…he asks today “Why Cosby?” I ask “Why Now!?”

    Ducky just suggested that my post was somehow championing Cosby….He wrote this at SF’s: “Oh by the way, loved the tears for Cosby today.”
    When they don’t read whole posts and comments and then comment yourself, and hate hearing two sides of every story, as libs seem to hate hearing, we get this stuff.
    Amazing.

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  22. bocopro says:

    Always like Cos ’cause he didn’t preach or lecture (‘cept once in a while). My first reaction upon hearing the accusations was “disappointed groupies,” which evolved into “conspiracy” for refusing to chant the leftist mantra about poor, unfortunate, deprived, oppressed, maltreated, and systematically disadvantaged blacks.

    After a while, though, the old adage “where there’s smoke” began to cloud the image in my mind. So I more or less agree with damned near all the comments herein one way or another.

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  23. Ducky doesn’t like that he’s been shut out of your blog. Oh, well.

    I did a bit of a Google search about Quaaludes. Saw the names of Elvis Presley and Freddie Prinze, too.

    I also found this: Methaqualone in popular culture. Quite a list!

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  24. JOHN M BERGER says:

    “Ducky doesn’t like that he’s been shut out of your blog”

    AHHHHHH-poor baby! Who cares?

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  25. geeez2014 says:

    bocopro, glad to see you here! And I could NOT agree with you more. I agree with those of us who think he’s been set up in a way, and I agree with those who think he’s fallen on his own sword.
    I hate what he’s OBVIOUSLY done…waaaay too much smoke to not be a fire..
    And I hate that he’s been singled out.
    And I hate that we have lost what we thought was a great example of a man who succeeded without whining! So to speak.

    AOW….Ducky isn’t shut out of my blog by me; he shut himself out. I don’t suffer as well as you the mischaracterizations or nastiness he constantly exhibited to me and my readers.
    Quaaludes … I saw them a lot out here in the Seventies…nothing new.

    John….I cared for a while. Believe it or not.

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  26. Bob says:

    Sex drives our motivations and societal values. At least that’s what men think. Men think of sex as an opportunity to exercise power over the weaker sex, and women think of sex as, well, I’m not sure. What adolescent male has never thought of having his way with 72 virgins? Or, what teenage girl has never thought of being super-sexy and popular with the football team?

    Sex is woven into the fabric of who we are. In Cosby’s case he is motivated by gorgeous starlets over whom he could wield some power. It seems to me that when a man is in a position of power, and a lovely, young woman is plying her flirtatious skills to further her career, nobody should be surprised if the man takes advantage of the situation. Are the women in Cosby’s story innocent? Maybe, and maybe not.

    Cosby is like Bill Clinton. It is just unfair to flash a good looking woman in front of him. He will always try to take advantage of the woman, thinking that it was his divine right.

    Yes. I think Cosby is being jumped on because he is a rich and powerful man. He is also being jumped on because he is a jerk.

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  27. geeez2014 says:

    “Yes. I think Cosby is being jumped on because he is a rich and powerful man. He is also being jumped on because he is a jerk.”

    Well, Bob…you did it again! Succinctly echoed all our comments in two sentences! GOOD JOB…and very true!

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  28. Well, frankly, I never held Cosby in such esteem.
    Never watched the show.
    Didn’t like the pudding ads.
    Just another pitchman.
    He often rang false.
    His early comedy was funny.
    I guess I just don’t care.
    I don’t expect much from actors.

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  29. Bob says:

    Z: I apologize for not reading all the comments before I wrote mine. Got lazy. I will try to be more original next time. I was just relating my perspective on Cosby and the problem. Guess I agree with everybody else.

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  30. cube says:

    Am I wrong or wasn’t Cosby only jumped upon by the media when he started to deplore black culture, as in black men’s dropped drawers, lack of education, proclivity to gangs, etc.

    I remember the Quaalude days and I think there are many other celebrities who have engaged in the same practices, but aren’t speaking out about anything that is un-PC.

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  31. Kid says:

    Cube that’s got to be part of it. Blacks, democrats and their media arm do not like successful black people.

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  32. Lisa says:

    I was dissapointed in his admission but I agree it is possible they may be making more of it because of some of his past statements ,truthful ones,made against young black youth.
    It almost reminds me of what they did to Clarence Thomas. The treatment of him is what turned Andrew Breibart into questioning media if you recall.
    Since we are on this subject I dont doubt a couple of priests molested young boys and I am by no means defending it,but I think there was a full out concerted effort to accuse so many of them. I can’t believe it was the epidemic they would have us believe

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  33. geeez2014 says:

    Bob, I’m sorry you misinterpreted me….that I wasn’t clearer. I LOVE that you do that. It’s an amazing talent to hone in on JUST the crux of it….good job!

    Ed, The Cosby Show was very important to our society; Finally, a Black family of educated people living normal lives. Most Americans don’t even know that exists. AND IT DOES.

    cube, I’m not sure a lot of those things attributed to him were true…but Cosby, I believe, DID decry EBONICS…
    And he DID say Black fathers need to pay attention to their kids, I’ll give him that…but lots of it wasn’t quite there. I’d get all excited and then hear him say how government needs to pay for kids, give entitlements….I was always SO disappointed in him. BUT, the photographer I quoted in my post DID say it was for his alleged CONSERVATISM that Hollywood wanted him GONE…A BLACK MAN TALKING ABOUT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY? off with his HEAD!!

    Lisa, excellent point about priests….I think a LOT of bad things happened, but I think there is a concerted effort to kill successful Blacks and Christianity…any way possible.

    This is horrifying and we need to see what can be done to stop liberals from destroying everything because of a few bad apples. TYPICAL liberalism; everybody’s bad if ONE is bad. Oh, unless it comes to islam.

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  34. Lisa says:

    I know Z they are really out of control ,so true . It really is a mental disease

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  35. Imp says:

    A mood changer chuckle….

    Hillary went to a New York school to talk about the world.
    After her talk she offers question time.
    One little boy puts up his hand. Hillary asks him what his name is.
    “Kenneth.”
    “And what is your question, Kenneth?”

    “I have three questions: First – whatever happened in Benghazi? Second – why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office? And, Third – whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?”
    Just then the bell rings for recess.

    Hillary informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess. When they resume Hillary says, “Okay where were we? Oh, that’s right, question time. Who has a question?”

    A different little boy puts his hand up; Hillary points him out and asks him what his name is.
    “Larry.”
    “And what is your question, Larry?”

    “I have five questions: First – whatever happened in Benghazi? Second – why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office? Third – whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House? Fourth – why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early? And, Fifth – what happened to Kenneth?”

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  36. geeez2014 says:

    Imp; I blogged this not so long ago! GREAT MINDS.
    I LOVED IT and am thankful you posted it again in case someone didn’t see it.
    XXX

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  37. cube says:

    Imp: I’m glad you posted it ’cause I never saw it. Very funny.

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  38. JOHN M BERGER says:

    It’s good to know that I will never have to endure another one of those corny PUDDING ads again ! I never understood what the attraction to this guy was all about.

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  39. John, that’s what I was sayin’…

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  40. Mal says:

    Well, one thing Cosby and I had in common, John, is we both love Jazz. And despite the recent disclosure about his past, his portrayal as an intelligent Black doctor on his show reminded me of the Father Knows Best series decades ago where it showed the roll of a wise father of a family instead of the dozens of other inane shows we’ve all seen over the years portraying them as idiots. It is sad now to have to face the reality of his true life.

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  41. JOHN M BERGER says:

    @ Ed,
    Yes, I was just more or less reinforcing your point.

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  42. Mal says:

    OIC. Thanks, John! 🙂

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