Intelligence Squared………NPR

nprA friend told me about an excellent debate radio program on NPR.    It’s called INTELLIGENCE SQUARED* and this is the format:

They pick a topic and ask the NYC live audience to vote one way or the other…the Left’s viewpoint or the Right’s viewpoint.

They then have the debate;  with one Leftist, one Conservative.

They then ask the audience to vote again and the side which has won a higher percentage over to their side than the other did wins.

This friend of mine’s listened five times and, five times, the NYC liberal audience has turned toward the Right’s argument … the Left doesn’t usually persuade.

I find that astonishing and a happy thing!   I listened to the end of one debate only to hear the response and my friend was right when he said the host sounds none too happy, and a bit surprised, every time the Conservative has won the argument, again and again and…….

THIS is a subject that intrigues me and one that we’ve been talking about the last few weeks here at GeeeZ in many ways;  IF the American public actually did hear a cogent, rational argument for Conservatism, would they not veer in the Right’s direction?   And, if the Left didn’t constantly throw straw men around and ‘kill the messenger’ edicts, what a difference.

SO, how do we get the public to hear Conservatism well described?  Who’s the best candidate for that?   Who’s your dream debater choice versus Hillary?

 

*I’ve added  NPR INTELLIGENCE SQUARED PODCASTS on my sidebar if you ever feel like watching.

Z

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39 Responses to Intelligence Squared………NPR

  1. fredd says:

    The bigshots on the left already know that their arguments in favor of the destruction of the United States as we know it fall flat when articulated in a debate. Accordingly, debate on the issues is no longer in the American socialists’ playbook.

    Much more effective is slandering the character of the conservative messenger, muddying the waters and then claiming ‘think of the children,’ and other gobbledegook that masquerades as public debate.

    Too bad the American public at large is now so uninformed and, well, stupid, we just don’t see this deception for what it is.

  2. jerrydablade says:

    Hi Z, “NPR Intelligence debates” sounds like an oxymoron to me. Persuading “liberal audiences” has been the RINO presidential strategy for the longest time and we see the results. I would rather see a true conservative candidate unafraid of articulating strong fiscal and social conservative values to the American people without the pandering, because that is their core. I want a candidate in the mold of the great Ronaldus Magnus who will energize our base, means what they say and will actually follow through. I don’t want “liberal audiences” convinced. I want them crushed.

  3. silverfiddle says:

    “IF the American public actually did hear a cogent, rational argument for Conservatism, would they not veer in the Right’s direction?”

    Yes. Yes! YES!

    This is what I have been trying to say, but I’ve done a poor job of it.

    Who would persuade you better? A sour-faced meanie who ridiculed and needled you? Or someone who treated you with respect and explained their views with a sunny personality and who engaged you with charity, candor and goodwill?

    I have also been telling people that I use the New York Times comment threads as a barometer. Liberals and moderates are increasingly uncomfortable about our government’s stupidity on immigration and terrorism, among other things, but there is no way in hell they will fall in behind a loudmouth lout like Donald Trump. Even if they secretly agree with him, they’ll reject him.

    But they are amenable to polite, reasoned adults who present conservative arguments.

  4. silverfiddle says:

    @ Jerrydablade: Reagan was a great politician. He could deliver the conservative message, but he also got democrats and moderates on board. He understood that politics was a game of addition, not subtraction. He also understood the futility of going over a cliff with flags flying, and he made compromises. He wasn’t trying to kick in the faces of his political opponents. He looked for the win-win, as long as it advanced his agenda.

    Nowadays, everybody on all sides wants to nuke their political enemies and take the whole pie.

  5. geeez2014 says:

    fredd…well, that’s what I hoped my article would show; that there is a chance of getting people to wake UP, that some DO see the Cons. side when it’s intelligently presented against a whacko-Leftist stance.

    Jerry “I don’t want “liberal audiences” convinced. I want them crushed.” Yes, there IS that :=)
    The thing is the VOTE. They DO VOTE and we must change hearts/minds.

    SF: You haven’t done a poor job; I put my questions like that just to get everybody’s comment-juices really flowing… Seemed to work so far… I’m glad you use the NY Times as a barometer because it’s important we know what EVERY VOTER is thinking.
    There are liberals and cons who want to “take the whole pie”…Can you think of liberals who want to advance their agenda without taking the whole pie? Which Cons do you think are like that?
    And, have things become SO BAD (laws overstepping the Constitution, executive orders that are so dictatorial, etc)., that Conservatives can afford to try to work with the Liberals anymore?

  6. geeez2014 says:

    Silverfiddle, Jerry, fredd….who would you MOST like to see DEBATE HILLARY?

  7. John M. Berger says:

    “Who’s your dream debater choice versus Hillary?”
    Carly Fiorina. Not only would she make mince meat out of the reclusive fraud but the Left couldn’t accuse Fiorina being a male chauvinist pig, etc.

  8. John M. Berger says:

    ALSO:

    Like him or not I think that a Trump/Hillary debate would be quite amusing.

  9. geeez2014 says:

    It’s happening….exactly what some of us thought but hoped wouldn’t happen. The GOP will NEVER support Trump, so….I think this has been his idea from the start, do you?:

    TRUMP THREATENS THIRD PARTY BID
    The odds of Donald Trump mounting a third party run for the White House would “absolutely” increase if he felt he was being unfairly by the Republican National Committee, Trump told The Hill: “‘The RNC has not been supportive. They were always supportive when I was a contributor. I was their fair-haired boy,’ the business mogul [said] … Pressed on whether he would run as a third-party candidate if he fails to clinch the GOP nomination, Trump said…‘I’ll have to see how I’m being treated by the Republicans,’ Trump said. ‘Absolutely, if they’re not fair, that would be a factor.’” Trump, who was asked by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to tone down his rhetoric earlier this month and was rebuked by the RNC for being critical of Sen.John McCain’s status as a war hero, said the GOP establishment doesn’t like him because he’s “not one of the gang.”

    Z: His rhetoric is always SO destructive that I’m a little amazed that he’s done this well in business. Of course, Cruz and Rubio aren’t “one of the gang,” either, in my opinion….but TRUMP has to be special. Not the most fitting characteristic for a president.

  10. geeez2014 says:

    JMB: I wouldn’t put it past Trump to ask Fiorina to run as VP…just to get the women on his side, too.
    And I think a Fiorina/Hillary debate would be great.

    Trump/Hillary? I think Trump is such a HUGE BULLY and fights so dirty, that nobody could really come out of that alive, even Hillary with her typical attempts at appearing ‘above them all.’

  11. Mal says:

    My thoughts exactly, John! I’ve been saying Hillary has to be shaking in her boots at such a match-up. That would be her worst nightmare. But I also believe most of the other candidates could fare better than her too because they have facts on their side while all she has are excuses for failed policies………..and cover-ups. I hope she continues to be their favorite because she is such a huge target.

  12. John M. Berger says:

    “Trump is such a HUGE BULLY and fights so dirty, that nobody could really come out of that alive”

    Ha, Ha, yes that’s my point!

  13. silverfiddle says:

    The GOP lineup is full of smart people. I think on a fact-based debate, any of them could take Hillary, but the debates will hinge upon tone, who made faces, and whatever gotcha the Democrat helpers in the media can spring on the GOP candidate.

    Hillary will take a page from Lloyd Benson and take on the scolding, venerable air of elder stateswoman to try to make the GOP candidate look like a childish wannabe.

  14. geeez2014 says:

    SF! I wrote this above in a comment “even Hillary with her typical attempts at appearing ‘above them all.’” I know what you mean…and her eyes bug out as if she’s REALLY listening, and she gets that “Over COURSE that’s wrong” look on her face…she’s so predictable in her facial gestures I thought this morning how I think so much is planned and posed….

    Mal, I sure hope she is the Dem candidate…I didn’t feel that way six months ago, by the way; I was worried. I’m not anymore.

    JMB: I’d SO LOVE to see Carly vs Hillary…”women, get in your corners!” (I use the term ‘woman’ loosely)

  15. John M. Berger says:

    We have all seen the headline: “Trump Warns RNC of Third-Party Run” (NEWS MAX TODAY). It should say: TRUMP THREATENS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITH A THIRD-PARTY RUN !

    Sorry to go off-topic.

  16. Imp says:

    @JMB…Demi-cans or Repub-acrats….who cares John and what’s the difference. The two parties have betrayed all of us. If they’re ever going to receive the message….this would be the one.

  17. Imp says:

    NASA may have found earths twin? Kepler?

  18. Imp says:

    Maybe it has “intelligent” life on it too? That must mean no demarats, climate change or progs?

  19. geeez2014 says:

    John, no worries…I posted that info myself in a comment up above……..it’s very bad news.
    Because of what happened when Romney lost (“not cons. enough” “not Christian enough”) I’m not feeling like it rocks to keep insulting all the parties…we need to somehow find a way to come together as Republicans and realize we’re not going to like everything all Reps say. I sure don’t.
    I can’t stand Graham and Christie’s getting on my nerves..

    Trump’s a different animal altogether.
    Yesterday, I mentioned how he’d said “I’ve been invited to the border by ‘thousands and THOUSANDS’ of border guys to honor me.” Today I heard the border guard union or something dissed him. This has to happen more.

    I’m kind of relieved he’s backing off the “I’ll run Independently” thing today because we might as well not have an election if that happened….just inaugurate Hillary…It’d be a complete waste of time to have an election. Railroaded by OUR OWN SIDE.

  20. bunkerville says:

    I disagree somewhat with SF. While Trump is a blowhard, he got the debate rolling and secretly many are enjoying the take down and finally bringing the issues to the fore. Is he dangerous to the GOP probably. But I would rather go down with an honest debate than play this safe talking point campaign.

  21. Imp says:

    Fox viewers poll: Will Trump win the Hispanic vote? 77% yes, 23% no…

  22. geeez2014 says:

    Bunkerville….I think we all agree he’s got the debate rolling.
    I’m getting really annoyed at his nastiness…the interview with Anderson Cooper was SUCH a joke…he jumps on anybody just to jump on them the minute he feels the very slightest affront; he’d better get a thicker skin.

    Imp….I don’t even trust that poll. But, if it’s true, I hope other Republicans pick up his mantra on illegals. Weird…although I KNOW many Hispanics are NOT for allowing illegals in

  23. I believe Trump is motivating a part of the populace to a great degree, but no one outside of that percentage of voters will vote for him in the general.
    I am also reminded of the Howard Beal character.

    As for the NPR show, I hope to find time to listen just to hear the disappointment of the moderator.
    Of course we can’t win a debate with the rabid left, the ones who booed Omally for saying “Black lives matter, white lives matter, all lives matter.” How insane.
    But there are independents and even leftists who don’t know better that can be educated.
    Blogs can be a part of that, despite the negative tone I’ve read elsewhere. At least providing ammo.

  24. geeez2014 says:

    Ed, that’s the thing; the NPR debates mostly persuade Left to the Right. And you will love the disappointment of the moderator…it’s subtle, but there. Shock!

    I’ve been in the blogging business too long now to think we convince Leftists, but I believe some are reading who don’t comment. As you know, the leftwingers at AOW’s and SilverFiddle’s are pretty nasty in their comments and I’ve known at least one for approx 14 years and he’ll never EVER change. The problem is the nastiness translates to me and I get a little nasty myself from time to time; it almost surprises me…it did Mr. Z, believe me “That’s YOU!?” unhuh!! :=)

    Trump’s beginning to lose it, to me…SO angry, SO bloviating, SO conceited…I knew he had it in him, but I didn’t know it was THIS BIG and awful…he’s attacking everybody now….Americans are going to tire of that.

  25. Imp says:

    I dunno…I keep thinking with all the forward progress, advances in science, medicine, industry, technology and simple entrepreneurial success has given us over the last 60 years…. we seem to be moving backwards exponentially in the morality area of our people at the speed of sound?

  26. Imp says:

    @Z…say what you will about Trump…I believe everyone running for that job has a massive ego. They believe to a “man”…they’re the only ones who promise that they can save the rest of us.

    As far as Perry’s idiotic rant today…..he’s finished … as he’s just pissed into his own pond. What good does it do to feed the vermin demrats with his or any Repub hating another R, red meat?

  27. That leaves me with Walker.

  28. I’m not out to convince the whacko leftists, just the ones like I was.
    Smoking dope, reading Rolling Stone.
    Until I stopped.

  29. Imp says:

    @Ed…does us a favor bud….tell us who you’re responding to??? Unless you prefer to make it a mystery?

  30. Imp: That leaves me with Walker.

  31. Z: I’m not out to convince the whacko leftists, just the ones like I was.
    Smoking dope, reading Rolling Stone.
    Until I stopped.

  32. geeez2014 says:

    Imp; You ever seen any politician quite as bombastic and insulting as Trump? WHO?

    Perry; Who the heck is financing him? Ugh.

    Ed, I wouldn’t say Walker’s all who’s left, but I admire him. I just wish he’d start saying something soon.

  33. Z: Victor David Hanson is comparing Trump to Obama.

  34. Imp says:

    @Ed…Thanks Ed…you’re a gentleman.

  35. Imp says:

    @Z..Perot was pretty bombastic.

  36. geeez2014 says:

    Imp…nobody’s like Trump 🙂 He’s ‘very special,’ right?!!!

    Ed….I don’t see a similarity but might check that out tomorrow……Trump to Obama…hmmmm
    Obama doesn’t display his anger , or he didn’t in the past, anyway…….he does name call….

  37. Imp says:

    @Z…I think you may have missed the point of his candidacy? The man is serving a real purpose..IMO.

  38. Imp: I don’t think Trump see it that way. Especially if he goes third party.

  39. geeez2014 says:

    Imp!! Are you kidding? That’s all I’ve been saying all over this blog…what he’s DOING is opening up discussions which should have been talked about for years… I’ve been saying that everywhere!
    The problem is he doesn’t see that as the “point of his candidacy”…he thinks he can WIN and, instead….

    Ed’s right.

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