What do Fiat Chrysler and the Jetsons have in common!?

Fiat Chrysler has to recall about a 1.5 million cars because of hackers.  They’re taking the cars in and will try, at least, to make them hacker-proof.

My question is this:  That’s going to be pricey, right?  Why should Fiat Chrysler pay for that when nobody knew anybody could hack into cars?

What do you think?  Who should pay for this…other than the hackers, who will probably never be caught, of course.

Did you know that they’re not even sure fixing things will be effective?   Are we ALL at the mercy of hackers now, even in airplanes…or victims of lasers in pilots’ eyes, or WHATEVER?

Is this a biproduct of TOO much technology?  Are we just sitting ducks forever?

The Jetsons made all this uber technology look like so much fun but it doesn’t seem to be living up to its promise, does it!  (And if you’re not old enough to remember The Jetsons, you aren’t allowed to comment here!!)


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21 Responses to What do Fiat Chrysler and the Jetsons have in common!?

  1. Kid says:

    Z, These were friendly hackers.

    The situation is that the car companies are putting 100% thought into customer satisfaction/functionality and 0% attention to secure systems.

    Personally, I don’t see why the critical systems of a car (brakes, steering, engine on/off) need to be available to the internet at all.

    Here’s a funny to go along with though. If you want to have some fun with a friend, connect his brake light wire to his horn. It’s hilarious.


  2. Bob says:

    Z: Any developer who creates systems thinks about security, or should, especially if it is to be connected to the outside world via internet or dial-up connection. I rented a 2015 Ford Expedition last month that had all the bluetooth bells and whistles. I noticed while I was driving down the highway that I could pick up other bluetooth cars and devices, especially while in stop and go traffic. I couldn’t overhear conversations, but I could tell that these devices were out there. An experienced hacker might be able to make something out of this.

    Think about it. With bluetooth RF connectivity, that’s a route not only into your car’s operating systems, but also into your telephone if you have sync’d yours with the car.

    All of our new whiz-bang conveniences can come back to bite us. By the way, I never use bluetooth with my cell phone. There are enough ways for people to hack my stuff.


  3. Baysider says:

    They’ve demonstrated hacking into cars for a long time. I saw a TV segment about it, and it’s been at least 2 years since I watched anything other than a DVD on my TV. So I’d say this shouldn’t be a surprise. The technology sounded great. It’s back to the same ol’ problem – the heart of man.


  4. Kid says:

    May I add that anyone who connects their house to the internet is an absolute libtard?
    Unlock the doors. turn the water/electricity on/off, adjust the thermostatto 120 in the summer, or 20 in the winter. It’s hilarious really that someone would actually pay for the actual home devices to accomplish this, then pay a monthly subscription amount to Time Warner or whomever to make it happen. One thing – I’m laughing more than crying now because of this kind of stuff.


  5. Kid says:

    I can’t wait to read a story about how someone’s house was FUBAR’d because of internet connectivity and they didn’t have a clause in their homeowners insurance (add they’ll pay mjore for this too! LOL) to cover it and now they are out a house. My God, I’m laughing already.


  6. Baysider says:

    It’s too bad – the electronic vandals. I knew an engineer who (years ago) wired his large avocado orchard with sensors for soil conditions, and he could turn on water and feeders from work – or anywhere in the world. He had 5 soils types with differing watering characteristics. He tapped into free water, but the district limited it to exactly “x” amount per tree and soil type. This was a fantastic system.You could go on vacation and water your trees. And never go over your allocation, or over-water.

    I’m sure this has become common in agriculture, and presents another opportunity for mischief.


  7. geeez2014 says:

    Bob, this is all pretty new; as you know, cars don’t have new things invented and roll off the assembly line the month it was thought up….

    Kid, yes, they were friendly….only seeing if it WOULD WORK…. But the problem is UNfriendly hackers. I agree; WHY on the internet? That’s NUTS. Gad, I hate to say this but my dear ol’ Dad, who died 20 years ago now, used to laugh that he preferred manual windows so nothing could go wrong with the electronics!
    Your HOUSE connected to the internet? I pass!

    Baysider…this was a pretty big surprise for the team who pulled this off….
    Nobody expected this or they would put in safeguards….think what it will cost now..

    SO: While the implication in the comments is that Fiat/Chrysler should have known, I totally disagree.
    This is all pretty new (see Kid’s video…if it’s the one I’ve already seen, that is!) and so WHO PAYS?
    I just don’t think it’s fair that Fiat/Chrysler has to pay.


  8. Kid says:

    Z, “I just don’t think it’s fair that Fiat/Chrysler has to pay.”

    I’m going 180 on you here Z, as much as it causes me unbearable pain….

    Fiat/Chryler and any other car manufacturer with internet connectivity should most definitely have to pay of they’ve put this software in their cars and left their custoer open to such easy takeover of their vehicles on the road. We’re talkign Death here. Much more serious than a hacked bank account or credit card and you know how serious that stuff is being taken. (Or if you don’t, take my word for it. Millions of people in IT department deal with the related government regualtions at a cost the consumer pays)
    There is no reason the technology people who put this stuff into the vehicles would not know it could be comprimised. Their plan was hope. It failed.
    Also Think GM’s On Star where they an open doors, start and start the engine and God Knows what else. Also subject to hacking.


  9. geeez2014 says:

    Kid…that’s FINE….if you feel they knew this could happen, that they’d designed technology that would easily allow this to happen, I’m all for their paying,…
    From the information I’ve read, the guys who hacked were stunned and thrilled it worked, so I figured this wasn’t at all expected; not that easily, anyway.

    Shouldn’t the people who buy it know it could be compromised? Maybe I wouldn’t, but a savvy tech person would, right?


  10. Imp says:

    @Kid…man o man…that was so juvenile with t he guy’s Lexus…I LMAO. I know what that makes me now.


  11. Kid says:

    Z, I see some fair opportunity for companies and programmers to kknow they are sticking it to the consumer, but I’ll take a lighter approach.
    – Anything and everything can be hacked,
    – Companies are charged with dealing with the competition and coming up with a product that will be more appealing than their competition.
    – Shortcuts are made, money is saved off into the profit column so it can be reported to Wall Street and they all hope it doesn’t come and bite them in the hind quarters. Sometimes it does and this is one of those times.

    Ultimately, anything created can either be used for good or evil. It’s God’s plan. Evil cannot just be erased or discluded. It has always been with us and it will always be with us.


  12. Kid says:

    IMP, even better – hook the horn to the turn signals so they are out on the road before it starts happening ! hahaha.


  13. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, it certainly is that way, that’s for sure.
    But this is a new subject, this ability for people to get in and destroy things like this…this technology, etc…….
    Also, as Baysider said above, this is the “heart of man” gone wild…or maybe just a bit more dangerous because from knives and shovels and swords to kill for the first 1500 years of civilization, we’ve gone to guns and bombs and tampering with an automobile that can kill SO many people, you know?


  14. Kid says:

    Z, yea… Nothing is 100% safe from either idiots or evil. I guess that’s where we’re at. I’ve been thinking if it wasn’t for all the evil doers and “others” Earth really could be a Garden of Eden. Still. Maybe we weren’t banished. Maybe Eden was simply altered to include such concepts as progressives,moslems,fill in the blanks


  15. geeez2014 says:

    Kid..ya….”altered?” Ya, like the Garden of Eden altered like HELL! 🙂 with progressives and muslims, etc!!
    I tried to Google an article for you on God’s banishing Adam and Eve and found a pretty good headline, opened the link and it was some Muslim conversation on the subject. I gave it a pass..figured you would have, too!!


  16. Kid says:

    Z, Yes, I know the story anyway. barry obama sitting in a tree taking the image of a snake, and putting the moves on Eve. She didn’t buy it but unfortunately did try a bite of the apple. Damn.


  17. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, I know you do (actually, I had to check to make sure of the details again!)….and your description sounds more like Bill Clinton in the Garden 🙂


  18. I was driving down the expressway one day and was behind a tour bus that advertised free wifi.
    Curious, I pulled alongside and found I could connect to their wifi in my car.
    No password.


  19. Mal says:

    Perhaps we need to go back to manual connections for the accelerator, brakes, steering, etc. There would be no way they could hack that. Meanwhile, they might need to at least install a “kill switch” to circumvent any hacking when it happens. It wouldn’t be the best answer but at least stop them from crashing you into something. In some ways I miss the old cars.


  20. Mal says:

    Oh! Your question as to why Fiat Chrysler should pay for it when nobody knew about it? Because if it later became known they knew about it and said nothing. they would be raked over the coals, especially if any accidents or deaths resulted from a hacking.


  21. geeez2014 says:

    Ed! That’s wild! WOW!

    Mal, Daddy used to say he preferred to muscle his own car windows up and down; at least that way, no electrical problems hindered their effectiveness!…you just turned the handle!


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