Hundreds gather……..

Sandra Bland’s funeral happened today and there were hundreds of people… many carried “JUSTICE FOR SANDRA BLAND” signs.

The autopsy report says it was suicide, so the family’s got an independent doctor doing another autopsy.  I suppose they’ll keep having them until a doctor says it was murder……

Also, everybody’s asking (including Ms. Bland before she died, from what we’ve heard) how she ended up in that bad situation!   Did any of you see her denying the cops what they asked for after having stopped her for an illegal lane change?  She also had marijuana in her system, by the way.  She gave him SUCH LIP it was unbelievable.  And they just don’t know why she was arrested?

Odd, I just Googled to find the video I saw of the Bland arrest and it only starts when they have her on the grass after the arrest.   What I originally saw on TV had the policemen very politely greet her and ask for her ID, etc., and she denied it.  He got so ticked off with the lip she gave him that he finally asked her to put out her cigarette and she said she wouldn’t…..she lipped him back, big time, then, too.

Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, above, tells what he saw while watching the video……..she denied the cop what he wanted 49 times and she, and others, wonder why he’d have to arrest her?   The video was posted at a website where the caption says “We knew David Clarke would say this”….so he’s already labeled for just telling his educated truth.  The Left just won’t accept that bad things can happen to people who make terrible choices.

Z

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19 Responses to Hundreds gather……..

  1. Mal says:

    Its true. We see more and more sassing of the police after being stopped. Therein lies the problem. We rarely see anyone being given a rough time after being stopped if they were nice and cooperative. The liberal media is so quick to bad-mouth the cops when given the chance, even before checking the facts. Being a cop is the last thing I would want to be, for sure. The body cameras many departments are requiring is good, also. Kind of like DNA in establishing paternity. For years the responsibility for a pregnancy was wrongfully placed due to there being no way to prove who the father is, but that all ended when DNA testing was developed. The body cameras now tell the whole story, too.

  2. Baysider says:

    Chris Rock’s video – which Z has posted here before (help! I think you posted it here, Z) still applies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8 “How not to get your ass kicked by the police” I don’t know if this woman broke these rules, but your comment about ‘lip’ sounds like it.

  3. I’ve read comments from cops that this officer crossed the line.
    Think about it.
    He should have written the ticket and moved on.
    Then let all his buddies know her plate number.
    Wouldn’t have been her first or last recless driving.

  4. Baysider says:

    Daily Kos published the full video. Despite the provocative headline and the source, I cited it instead of one of the shorter news clips. It includes the polite and peaceful conclusion of the prior stop by the cop. And it’s educational on how ‘things’ can escalate out of control. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/22/1404488/-14-The-number-of-times-Sandra-Bland-asked-why-she-was-being-arrested-without-an-answer

    The Washington Post hits the issue that appears to be a crux of the matter: “The police can back up their orders with force because it’s often a crime to disobey a lawful order from a police officer. But from a citizen’s perspective, it’s often impossible to know what is a lawful order. As a result, it’s often impossible for citizens to know what they can and can’t do during a police encounter.” The numerous cases of citizens recording the interaction with an officer on their phones is a classic point, for example. At least in the ones that get published, there are a lot of cops who bully drivers and lie about the law in trying to force them to turn off a phone recording (laws vary, I know).

  5. geeez2014 says:

    Mal, not so sure it’s so good to have the cameras, etc………..watching this that I’d seen on TV, or highlights of it anyway, shows that people will still differ.

    I’m on Sheriff Clarke’s take on this one..He was so polite and got greeted with just attitude “irritated”….then she’s blowing smoke and we don’t know where she was blowing it.
    Clarke knows more than I do….he’s never let me down before in my opinions.

    I guess the cops are just supposed to take it now….with the pressure of a few bad ones making the good ones’ lives miserable. Remember how great this cop was when he warned the driver he’d stopped before her, asking how many classes the driver was taking, wishing her well…. no ticket, just a warning.

    He got this attitude and that was it.

    Baysider; as many specialists have said “Do what the cop says, it’s not that tough to just do what he says…who knows what’s going on in the area, etc.” We have to remember cops aren’t robots. Frankly, I’m surprised KOS had the original arrest, the one before Bland’s….it shows such a very kind and friendly policeman.
    Sometimes Chris Rock gets it right…..
    And I think I’d go along with any cop’s request, staying calm, as long as it wasn’t “walk on the freeway” or “have sex with me”.

    Ed, he probably should. would that we all acted perfectly in every situation. We don’t know what finally set him off, because he was so unbelievably kind to the driver from the stop before, it could have been her blowing smoke directly into his face…. I sure don’t know.

  6. Baysider says:

    What I liked about the ‘long’ video was seeing the cop in a good light to start. Then seeing the situation develop. It doesn’t start badly. I think the request to put out the cigarette was the point where it fell apart. He asked decently but got attitude. He may have had a safety reason (a lit cigarette can be a weapon, after all). IF that were the case, better training might have brought that out – but I’m guessing. She wasn’t beyond reasonable talk at that point.

    Ms. Bland’s recent life, though, suggests anger at police and the whole racial injustice trope. In the end, her EXPECTATIONS set her up to act in a way that was self-destructive. She sees ‘it’ everywhere, so this must be ‘it’ happening to her, when it wasn’t. A sobering lesson.

    I agree with you! Besides, you never know if you are getting officer psycho or officer normal. A polite, quiet-spoken acquaintance, older man, got officer psycho for a most minor, minor, minor stop (local law and he was new in state which his license showed). He said he stayed cool, complied with ‘orders’, but officer psycho was belligerent and hankering for a fight. He thought the cop was going to start beating on him right there on the spot. He knew better than to take on any cop – especially this angry latino hothead. I’m sure if Ms. Bland had acted as he did, she’d be fine today.

  7. Mal says:

    I know, Z. Those who want to deny the truth will still deny it, even with proof on film, but it does help exonerate the officer(s) in a court of law. Generally, the judge and or jury will accept the film as proof.

  8. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider, don’t worry; her family will be multi millionaires….her sister was already on television thinking the worse and “She was NEVER depressed” I bet sis didn’t know she smoked pot, either…autopsy showed she was under the influence of pot…….The sis spoke as if she might as well have held a sign up that said “Black Lives Matter” or “Hands Up, Don’t shoot”

    Mal, the good thing is exoneration and, if the rare nasty cop who goes overboard gets caught by it, more’s the better.
    We all know cops are shaking in their shoes now, even the really good ones, because any SLIGHTEST slip up on their part and IT IS OVER. Might as well have committed the same crime, or worse, that the perp’s caused him to stop him for.

  9. geeez2014 says:

    Mal, and the problem is murders are WAY up, theft is WAY up………

    Can anybody actually wonder why? Of course it is!! They’re scared!! So, wait..if that IS the case, then is it the cops who were bad, or just really bad perps?
    I know the answer….I know you do, too.

  10. Kid says:

    Bay, the Chris Rock vid is a great one. I’ve seen it a few times and it goes straight to :If you’re black and think you’re above the law, it’s not going to work out well for you.”
    I also agree not putting out the cigarette was a mistake given that cigarette smoke (2nd hand smoke) is now classified as harmful. This is about the same as spitting on a cop and you get charged with assault with a deadlty weapon or some such. Do you have aids? or some other disease that you can infect the cop with?

    That said, I don’t think most people have clue about what the law requires tem to do or how to act. My wife often has the COPS show on and I notice that sops are routinely explaining the law to the perps. If the perp gets physical, the nice stuff stops and the idiot ends up in jail.
    I’m kind of mixed on this one. This girl is known to have called her family form jail and expressed that she was totally unaware why she was even in jail “for not using a lane change blinker”
    I lean toward thinking the cop should have spent more ime explaining the law and the consequences of her actions as the situation developed. I think the cop was too aggressive and when he opened the door and tried to pull this girl out of the car it was all over. She was in panic mode at that point.

  11. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, I think you’re right on a lot of this… but I side with the cop….still, it’s not 100% either way. She should definitely have put the cigarette out…and she should definitely know what she did, but she was high on pot according to the autopsy, so…….who knows what condition she was in? And she was primed, as Baysider suggests, high on the sudden superiority of “i’m Black, what are you going to do about it, shall we have another Ferguson?”…
    He should not have pulled her out, but she sure wasn’t getting out…….then what?
    She didn’t seem in panic mode…she just gets out angry………and belligerent.

    She was belligerent from the start……..something in her mannerisms really ticked him off …..did you see how nice he was to the stop just before he stopped her? This was no self-starting animal….he even chatted nicely with her at first……..

  12. Kid says:

    Z, I’ve only seen/heard about 5-8 seconds of what went down before it got nasty. I remeber him asking her is she was agitated (not a quote), and then it went downhill from there.

    Why was he tailing her in the first place so closely. I haven’t heard anything on that. I think the lack of turn signal when a cop is on your butt is lame. She stated she wanted to get out of his way as she thought at the time he only wanted to get around her. I’d be ticked off and my antennae would be up in that situation as well. Tough one.

  13. I’m pro cop. But not this one. He lost it. They’re not allowed to.
    Sure she was a jerk. If we threw every one in jail, I’d have a lot of company there. 🙂

  14. geeez2014 says:

    Kid “So closely?” Not until she screwed up….. I think lack of turn signal when a cop is on your butt is just plain stupid.
    I believe something happened we’re not seeing…I think he was tired with having smoke wafting into, or being blown into, his face and clearly she was so agitated that he asked why she was so irritated…….

    UGH.. I’m in no way saying he did nothing wrong, but I’m with him on this one……
    My gosh! All she had to say when he asked why she was so irritated was “I didn’t mean to appear quite so agitated….sorry, officer..sure, I’ll put my cigarette out.”
    voila.

  15. Kid says:

    Z, Clearly they both made mistakes. Well, let’s see how it shakes out. They did put the officer on unexpected paid vacation. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all gop iss off the boss and get an extra week/month of paid vacation. ? 🙂

  16. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, Was the boss was pissed off?….I respect Sherriff Clarke very much, always have and he says the guy was within his rights the whole time, that people are supposed to do what they’re asked and, finally, TOLD to do.
    And yup…it’d be really nice to make the boss mad and go on paid vacation…!!

  17. Kid says:

    Z, Just an abstract hypopthetical. “If I could make my boss angry and end up with a month paid vacation, wouldn’t that be great?”

  18. Bob says:

    The woman killed herself, and this alone says she had problems. We can’t blame the cop.We can wonder about her dangerous emotional and mental state. Police have to deal with people like this all the time.

  19. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, yes! Too bad it’s so abstract because it’s a nice thought!

    Bob, I so agree with you….looking back on it, it’s a shame it escalated to where it did, but how stable could she have been to be so antagonistic and to not realize what she’d done to be arrested?

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