Don’t we just deport them back to Mexico?
What am I MISSING? Nobody wants anybody living in “deplorable conditions” but are our laws working now against us and for illegals? WE are the ones who messed up?
Again, am I missing something?
Is America?
I think so……………..Z
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I’m sure “missing something”. What are these “illegals” expected to do and where are they expected to go when they are released? For that matter, why are they [here] to begin with? America is “missing” any semblance of leadership at the very tip-top. Hey, but we already knew that!
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JMB: It seems like we have a bi-polar administration that encourages them to come then locks them up and doesn’t want to release them.
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The fools who wrote that FOX article called it a ‘setback’ for Obama’s immigration policy. Wrong. This fits right in with his Hegelian tactics: Create a crisis (‘appalling’ confinement conditions) that results in your end goal: Flooding the nation with illegal immigrants who will never return for their court dates.
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I agree with SF. Clearly the democrats are importing voters. They’ve paying them via welfare, and union situations, and now they’ve ramped up the democrat importation process.
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Kid: They are playing a sick game. They draw them in, where they are confined, chased down, separated from family and jailed. Obama and the Democrats express sympathy and issue executive orders to save these undocumented Democrat voters from our evil system.
So, on paper he and his leftwing propaganda vectors have trumpet how strong they’ve been on immigration enforcement, citing people stopped at the border, etc, while they can also please liberal voters by showing ‘compassion’ by flouting our laws.
It’s sick.
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SF, You’d have a hard time convincing me the Democrats have done anything that wasn’t pure evil. From the welfare state slavery to education to everything else they’ve done.
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Clinton previously nominated Dolly Gee to the federal judiciary but her nominated failed in the senate. Obama renominated her at a time when Democrats controlled the senate, and so now Judge Gee is simply returning the favor. SF is absolutely spot on … Gee is giving Obama a plumb. If Obama were serious about immigration, how hard would it be to line up sufficient numbers of buses to transport those people from deportation holding centers back to the border? Kid’s right: pure leftist evil.
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Yes, Z. What you’re missing is the connection of this with Trump. Why do you think he is so popular? Because he is obnoxious? Wealthy? Outspoken? A Prima Donna? No. He is popular DESPITE these “attributes” because folks are tired of BOTH parties lack of action with illegals and if the GOP doesn’t rise up to the problem, they will lose out. Its a conundrum for them because he runs in opposition to the “business as usual” politics in DC.
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Mal: Indeed the GOOP is AWOL on immigration, just like they are on everything else. They are worse than useless.
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Hi, Mal…I’m not sure there is a direct connection with Trump on this, but I do understand that the lack of initiative by either party is BAD. Not sure how Trump would handle this……
How do you think?
Mustang….I’d like to see that happen, but buses for 12 million? And then imagine the family stories? We have no guts, we have no compass anymore by which to plot our course.
This is apparently a big dirty welcome mat country in which all can come and take from us even though they’re completely ILLEGAL.
People like Gee are facilitating that..Obama’s making a grand reputation for himself on it, and Democrats will have voters forever.
Meanwhile, Conservatives aren’t voting for Conservatives because they’re “not conservative ENOUGH” and Trump is leading the polls……….what a MESS
Trump leading in the polls is US leading in the polls… or at least ME; plenty of broadstroke suggestions but, when it comes right down to it….HOW TO IMPLEMENT??
SF: Right. And so many Americans forget Obama’s involvement (and guilt in this) when they hear ‘deplorable’ and see the children in the TV video tape they’re showing…Americans want to HELP. They forget we’re in the hole financially and simply cannot afford to make everybody else’s lives perfect…and, make no mistake, the Left thinks everyone CAN live a PERFECT LIFE and that’s what’s got us in trouble this deeply….silly belief that if all people make the same amount of money, everybody’s happy; if everybody’s got the same god, everybody’s happy; if America’s open to everyone wanting to come here and has no way to control that, everybody’s happy, etc….
Every person will NEVER be happy and they have to learn that it’s up to each of us to improve our own conditions/fate; not the government’s.
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JMB, exactly right….where will they go NOW? You can bet they won’t be sent back.
ED….and all Obama gets is credit for having been “SO NICE” and “WELCOMING”….and then they remind us that Obama’s sent more home than any president. I keep hearing that but we NEVER EVER see it in action…have you?
I’d be open to being wrong on this…I’d LIKE to be wrong on this.
SF….The GOP is SCARED TO DEATH to lose the Hispanic vote they don’t usually get anyway; figure THAT out. Maybe that’s why they’re playing SO HARD to the Christian base which didn’t vote much in 2008….
The richest part of that, and they should know this, is that Hispanics who are here legally aren’t much fonder of the loose immigration policies than WE are. I have REALLY Conservative Hispanic friends and acquaintances who hate the onslaught of illegals here……are angrier than I AM!
The rub is I know so many truly sweet, kind Hispanics who are probably illegal…..that bothers me a lot but they’re extraordinarily kind people.
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I kind of got in the middle of a commentary with Judge Napolitano, on FOX, wherein I thought he was indicating that the folks in question here would be sent back to Mexico. Perhaps I misunderstood but, if not, how would that work? Is Mexico obligated, in any way to take them? I get the impression that many, if not most, are not even from Mexico. I’m just asking.
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Yes, obvious. Alternately, this compromise: You can stay if you
1) Pass a strict medical and background check (sorry, we’re done importing TB back into our country, and as for all you little drug lords – out you go, even if your mama is tagging along)
2) Agree to never apply for or accept government assistance at any level
3) Permanently alienate your right to acquire U.S. citizenship
#2 gives all the private amnesty groups a chance to put their money where their mouth is.
#3 honors our laws and the people who do it legally.
Okay, okay, I’ll wake up soon.
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@Z The article you linked to made reference to “hundreds” in holding centers now deemed inadequate, hence my remark about lining up buses. Did you really think I suggested busses for twelve millions?
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Stop giving them free stuff(except a free ride back) and they’ll go on their own accord.
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Mustang, we’ve all talked about that over the years, so it wasn’t a stretch to think you were addressing that in general…..You wrote “f Obama were serious about immigration, how hard would it be to line up sufficient numbers of buses to transport ”
I’m sorry I took you to mean on a more general scale.
And yes, this group is not large enough to NOT be taken out on buses…..They should be charged for the ride, too….and promised that will happen again next time. Tho we know they’d no sooner pay than they’d actually show up at any court date, at least we’d ACT serious!!!!
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JMB: I missed his saying that, but maybe he did. There’s nothing I’m hearing that indicates that….
Baysider….good ideas. And, of course, we know that if employers REALLY had to pay HIGH fines for hiring illegals, they’d stop hiring them and everybody’d self deport. And the people making TONS of false IDs, too, should be fined enormous amounts.
Kid! AH, so you think charging them for the ride might help, too!!
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“How do I think Trump would handle this?” Well, based on his reputation, probably better than any of the other candidates, Z. They all tell us what we want to hear. Heck, that’s almost a prerequisite to being a politician, but at least Donald has his past experience to back him up. Loud mouth? Sure. Cocky? You bet. Do I give a s—? Hell no! Can you imagine a meeting between him and Putin, for example? Or the Ayatolla? Or ANYONE? He would be a refreshing change to the mamby-pamby insect currently occupying the WH . Now…….would you like to hear what I REALLY think? 🙂
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MAL, Trump has contributed heavily to the clinton NY senator and obama campaigns. To me that Suggests he does not have American’s interests are heart. So far he’e talked about illegals and the American Dream. Imo, he better start putting some details into the conversation.
Check out some Cruz. Did you see him taking down the ICE director regards how many illegal murderers and rapists have been realeased out of jail ? This is the kind of stuff I want to see Trump or anyone who is seriously running get into. Trump hasn’t done anything yet that obama wasn’t doing 2006-2008.
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I agree with Kid on Cruz v Trump, though Trump’s going to peel Cruz’s face during the debates.
Trump has no brakes, no conscience, no class, no nothing….
I liked him for the reasons Mal describes but when I heard he’d consider running Third Party, I knew he doesn’t care about America. He’d ONLY DO THAT for his ego because the GOP is hurting his feelings by not supporting him wholeheartedly. I hate the GOP lately but I’m with them on this.
I have NEVER IN MY LIFE seen a man more despicably egotistical than Trump and I think he’d kill this country rather than be dignified and start to actually come up with real ideas instead of blasting off his mouth on ridiculous ideas he can’t back up with facts and figures about how he’s going to realistically do any of it.
He’s starting to scare me and I don’t like that.
I think we might have had a chance in 2016….I don’t believe we do anymore. Not a bit.
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Z, just a point of interest. Cruz and Trump met in private for a half hour or so a week or two ago and both came out happy, said they liked each other as I read in the article. They did a lot of talking about something anyway.
2016? We have a long way to go Z.
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I can’t believe you wrote this because I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump asks Cruz to run as VP. that dawned on my last night when I read or heard something…my antennae went up.
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Or the other way around?
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You know, I believe we all have been wondering who The Donald would choose for a Veep. Have you noticed a couple of the competition have been agreeing with him and his statements, including Huckabee? And as for his having contributed to the Clintons, sure. Business is business and he is no different from any of the others when it comes to greasing the palms. I’m a balance sheet guy. I want to see us financially strong because from that comes strength of our economy and military, both of which is in shambles. We need only to look at Greece for a preview of coming attractions if we don’t employ drastic changes……and quickly. I would like to see a financial statement on all candidates for president and congress. If they don’t have their personal finances in good order, how can we allow them to conduct the business of running our country? That is why I loved having Romney when he ran, and now Trump is another one. Forget about his ego! Get over it, folks!
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@Mal,
“Forget about his ego! Get over it, folks!”
I’m getting over it! No one running for POTUS is lacking in an ego albeit Trump, a political neophyte, has been significantly more open about it. While he often comes across as crude, I believe that he has a good grasp on how the “REAL WORLD” works. I will say, however, that his threats about a 3rd Party candidacy, if he means/meant it, are contemptible. OK, I’m now ready for my bashing!
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John, I’m betting if worse comes to worse for Trump and he isn’t selected, he will back whoever the GOP nominates. Why? It would STILL be in HIS best interest as an American and a business man. I’m sure he realizes running as a 3rd party would only dilute our votes and empower the left thereby hurting us all.
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@Mal,
It would be in the “best interest” of almost everyone to back the GOP nominee! This may be our last chance.
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Amen, John. Amen!
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I wonder what it would be like to have a President who has actually created things of value; lots of things and lots of value?
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We’ll probably never know, John.
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