How GREAT Thou Art (not?)

how great thou art

Agree or Disagree?  Please quickly scan that article…

Why are people complaining and winning?  I’d have thought it was other religious types who might whine about Christian ‘anythings’ but…over the years, no Jews I know have complained or demanded anything.  And, even in my own elementary school, more years ago than I’d like to admit (over forty, yikes!..okay,  more than that, but who’s counting!?) , we sang the sweet Jewish Hannukah song “Oh Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel,”or “I have a Little Dreidel,” among the few religious Christmas songs we sang, didn’t you?   Who minded? Did you care?  All the singing was done with happiness and excitement for the holidays. (now called Winter Break, not Christmas Break , which it was called for 250 years, of course).

But, more and more, atheists are outraged and speaking out against, and even taking to court, Christians who dare sing or pray on any public grounds.   This, after years of Christian symbolism which was loved and supported.

Yes, we have a much, much more diverse bunch here in America today.  Is that the problem?  NO….most Hispanics and many Asians are Christians so that’s not a problem.  Who is complaining so often, so vociferously, so litigiously?   White American atheists, that’s who. They are a group that makes up about 2% of this country.  Why so powerful?

Why are they so offended?  Why do they care so much if they see a Christian or Jewish symbol?  What bugs them so much?  Why not look the other way?  Tell your children you don’t agree but it’s a free country?

By insisting Christian themes can be displayed in any way, are we opening the door to public Islamic displays of their ‘faith?’   Are we losing the good character of our children which Christianity promoted by denying them things like the situation in my link?

Here’s one:  Are we bringing people back TO Christian faith against this onslaught of negativism by the media, judicial system, etc.?    And wouldn’t this be better as one of Z’s Sunday Faith Posts?  It might, but  I think this is bigger than Sundays, folks.

I have my own ideas on all of this……….YOU?

Z

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26 Responses to How GREAT Thou Art (not?)

  1. bocopro says:

    What annoys, or troubles, me most is that the percentage of people in this nation who at least acknowledge association with a Christian faith is generally well over 80%. Muslims and atheists make the most demands for special consideration, but together they represent well under 10% of the populace, the rest being Jewish, Buddhist, or some other faith.

    If more than 3/4 of the people follow or prefer a particular common faith, why should a small minority be able to repress, limit, stifle, or even ban expressions of that faith? Although I was baptized (full immersion) as a child, I am not a practicing anything in terms of religion. As for the community I’d like to live in, one based on the tenets and structure of Christianity ranks at the top of my list.

    I particularly dislike crustaceans — can’t get ’em past my nose. My wife, our children, and all our grandchildren really enjoy shrimp, crab, and other critters which wear exoskeletons. For me to insist that they never eat the stuff would be the peak of selfish arrogance. When they eat that vile stuff, I have some black beans and rice or just a PB & J. Seems the logical and mature thing to do.

    If people don’t want to participate in Christian ceremonies or prayers, they can just shut the hell up for a few moments out of simple courtesy if nothing else. If we really want to ban something to make a positive change in America, how about lobbyists or pornographers or misleading commercial announcements.

    Sheeesh!

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  2. According to the linked article, the school was forbidden from “…prayer, religious sermons or activities in any school sponsored event including but not limited to assemblies, graduations, award ceremonies, athletic events and any other school event.”

    That put a legal stop to the band’s playing “How Great Thou Art.”

    Now, are the people who sang going to be hauled before a court with an Obama appointee on the bench? Maybe.

    It IS time Believers to make hard choices. Believers must be willing to “lose it all.” Are they?

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  3. Z,
    By insisting Christian themes can be displayed in any way, are we opening the door to public Islamic displays of their ‘faith’

    Yes. That’s the part which a lot of people miss.

    How do we define Christian themes?

    In public schools around here, bulletin boards sport evergreen trees around Christmas time. No ornaments — and the trees are called “Winter Trees.” I kid you not!

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  4. Bocopro,
    If people don’t want to participate in Christian ceremonies or prayers, they can just shut the hell up for a few moments out of simple courtesy if nothing else.

    I agree!

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  5. bunkerville says:

    Step by step our country is being dismantled of any ethical and moral compass. Intentionally.

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  6. silverfiddle says:

    Angry, God-hating leftwing radicals are behind this.

    They started this decades ago, and they started kicking us right below the Bible belt. Some uptight, man-hating single mom feminist moves to Hogeye, Alabama and calls the ACLU the first time she even catches a whiff of a prayer or any God talk in the tiny town’s school.

    This is a grotesque twisting of our laws and a socialist attack on small town religious values. These leftwing radials hate God, and they hate Christians and they want to banish Him and us from the landscape. These mini-Pol Pots would march us to reeducation camps if they had the power.

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  7. Kid says:

    I don’t have a problem disallowing the band to perform religious music at halftime. The people in the stands are held hostage. That’s not a situation of change the channel or look the other way. And yea, I’d be upset to be sitting there and have some moslem stuff forced on me. The moslem thing is a deeper issue though since I don’t consider islam a religion..

    I like how the people in the stands sang. What are they going to do ? Try to identify them all and fine them? That would be against their 1st amendment rights. At that point if moslems or atheists don’t like it too bad.

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  8. Mustang says:
    “Judge Reeves, who was appointed to the bench by President Obama, came down hard on the school district — ordering them to pay thousands of dollars in fines. He also warned the district that future violations would cost them $10,000.”

    Since local taxpayers support the school district, whom exactly is Judge Reeves punishing by imposing fines? Why, he’s punishing the community. This would seem extreme behavior for a man on the bench who is ostensibly dedicated to achieving a just society. Honestly, I do not even know why schools accept Title One funding and allow the federal government to impose its rules over schools that are supposed to be controlled by local citizens. Here is my question: if we are all “so upset” about the federal government prohibiting the expression of religious beliefs on ‘’government property,” why do we continue to support government run schools?

    Why are parents not using vouchers to remove their children from public brainwashing centers

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  9. Silverlady says:

    As I have already posted here I am an atheist, but not like those who are such an embarrassment to the term. I am offended by them, but I am not offended by displays of creches, crosses, Christmas trees, Menorahs, Stars of David, public prayer in schools or at games, Christmas carols, etc. etc. I believe my freedom ends where their noses begin, & vice versa. I will not try to enforce my absence of faith on anyone else. I attend funerals or weddings in churches, & have even given an important English sterling silver Royal cup to be used for Communion to a church in loving memory of a dear friend whose faith was very important to her.

    I will make an exception for Muslims, who demand, following the tenets of their cult, that all convert, pay an exorbitant tax (jizyah), or die. As is seen in the current Middle East, there is not even tolerance for those who are Muslims of a different sect. They also believe in whining a lot, such as whenever CAIR is offended or doesn’t get their ridiculous demands fulfilled. Their freely acknowledged intention is to take over this Republic, as well as the rest of the world. For them I have absolutely no use & make no apologies for my stance.

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  10. John M. Berger says:

    As I see it America is founded on the Judeo-Christian Ethic which is the basis for our laws, morality and the basic fabric by which this Nation has flourished for some 239 years; albeit with some imperfections. In spite of the fact that [we] are an imperfect species in an imperfect world the afore mentioned “Ethic” has served us well; America being a preferred destination for > two centuries. According to AMERICAN ATHEISTS: ” Atheism is not a belief system”. OK, so what is it? I submit that it’s nothing more than a parasitic undermining of societal cohesion, offering [no] redeeming alternatives but rather, the likelihood of societal destruction!

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  11. bocopro says:

    Silverlady has obviously hacked into my corpus callosum and been rifling through my archives.

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  12. geeez2014 says:

    AOW: there was definitely a rule prohibiting that … don’t know why they’d proceed to practice it all summer, but am glad they did.

    bocopro…I don’t see why atheists are so militant when they make up such a small percentage of our population and demand their rights be observed and others’, not. I’m with you on the shellfish thing…….it’s a proper example of someone just sucking it up and letting the majority do what they want to do. It’s what our country was built on.

    kid, if it was a whole religious program, I’m completely with you on that, though it sounds like that at least a majority of that audience was all for this song.
    I went to a Neil Diamond Concert where he, Jewish, did a lot of Christmas songs (it was Dec.!) and then some Hannukah songs, and everyone in the place was singing along and clapping along to all the songs…nobody seemed to mind any of those songs and it was great fun celebrating each others’ holiday music. It’s Los Angeles, a lot of Jews would have been in that audience enjoying ‘I’m dreaming of a white christmas”….or “First Noel”….
    At least nobody took anybody to court, but, of course, this isn’t a gov’t property like a school…..so they couldn’t sue.

    Imagine people suing because , gee, they’re uncomfortable! GAD.

    :Heck, if muslims finally stood up to terrorists amongst them and welcomed the feds into their mosques to show they weren’t preaching terror , and were the first at the Airport to say “Check ME, I want to make sure all these fliers are comfortable with me on board~” etc etc., I’d clap along to some dumb islamic ditty, probably…as long as Christian and Jewish stuff was played, too. I think. 🙂

    Mustang; yet that judge feels he is being ‘just’ .. to protect those 3 in the audience who were offended. imagine? And yes…SCHOOL VOUCHERS.
    Let’s price public schools out of existence.

    bunkerville; I think so.

    SF…that’s right…they all run to that liberal atheist protection center and SUE with THEIR MONEY…..

    JMB: yes, it is a belief system…it’s built around getting God out of their faces.

    Silverfiddle…you shouldn’t have to make any apologies for your stance…unless you’re one of those types who whine and complain every time GOD is mentioned!

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  13. bocopro says:

    Hard not to notice that people going to Christian churches seem happy, fulfilled, joyous, loving whereas most groups of Muslims tend to come across as angry, demanding, dour, hateful.

    The point about Islam is that if we could reason with Muslims, pretty soon we’d run out of Muslims. The tragedy is that Western culture is starting to run out of Christians.

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  14. geeez2014 says:

    bocopro; yet secularists will demand we notice when any Christian does anything even slightly wrong….or big wrong, like killing her children because ‘voices’ told her to…as if that’s Christianity!? If a guy kills someone and happened to have taught Sunday School 30 years ago, it’ll be SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER KILLS FRIEND.
    If it’s a Muslim, our media’ll avoid printing the name of the perp until they absolutely have to, if then, right? Happens all the time.

    Heck, I’m reading articles where they’re still not SURE it was terrorism on that French train!! And the guy’s saying HE FOUND THE ARMS and was homeless so he wanted to rob people! gad.
    Not sure they’ll EVER say “ISLAMIC TERRORISM,”, particularly if left to Obama’s choice!

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  15. baysider says:

    Good for them!!

    The people who are whining hate God/Jesus and the submission to something other than self that he demands and can’t leave an inch of space for anyone else with a difference perspective. I’ve had atheist friends of the mold of Silverlady – yes, mature and reasonable who find space in an otherwise Christianly-oriented culture for their own freedom. We had a great deal of true tolerance in our country until the 60’s drug heads got in charge.

    “if we could reason with Muslims, pretty soon we’d run out of Muslims.” Hah! Happily, there is a slight move in that direction. Even out of Islam God calls people.

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  16. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider “We had a great deal of true tolerance in our country until the 60’s drug heads got in charge.” Yes~! and THEY are supposedly the OPEN MINDED LIBERAL WONDERFUL ONES, aren’t they…so ironic.

    And yes, that line about reasoning with Muslims is perfect and aren’t we grateful that God IS DEFINITELY calling people OUT of Islam.

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  17. John M. Berger says:

    @bocopro,
    “if we could reason with Muslims, pretty soon we’d run out of Muslims.”
    Yes and the same could be said for, so called, Liberals!

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  18. I was at my sisters on Saturday, consoling her over the loss of her husband.
    Scherie was talking to her about going to heaven (Joan and her deceased husband are believers, he more so now, their children not) and something was said by Scherie about deliverance from hell.
    My nephew turned on Scherie ( I wasn’t in the room) poked his finger in her face and accused her of condemning him to hell.
    I’m told she handled it well.
    She had never said anything to him, but he attacked her.
    Uncalled for.
    But demonstrative of the mindset.

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  19. Baysider,
    We had a great deal of true tolerance in our country until the 60’s drug heads got in charge.

    No kidding!

    The Counter Culture is in charge, and the culture being countered is American tradition.

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  20. By the way, I report to a muslim who is younger than me. Most people at work are.
    He’s a good guy, trying to do his best. Knows he’s not as attentive to his religion as he should be.
    Like a lot of Christians I know.
    He’s not a threat to anyone, and there are many like him.

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  21. Z, as you saw at my blog, we had church on a city street in front of a strip club, and no one got taken to court. But a nativity would be a lawsuit.

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  22. John M. Berger says:

    Atheism and its inevitable brutality is on display in North Korea, big time!

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  23. geeez2014 says:

    JMB…great point about institutionalized atheism…empty, dark, hopeless.

    Ed…”there are many like him”…be careful what you say around here! I’ve had trouble every time I’ve said that on practically ANY Conservative blog site. Is he born here and do you know if he’s a patriot?

    Re your family situation: I wonder at nonbelievers who are so angry and feel so threatened if someone says HELL or GOD around them. Sounds like someone’s not really happy with his choice….I’ve always thought that.

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  24. Bob says:

    I have always had a problem with prayer in public schools. The reason is simple. Who will be leading those prayers, and will that person be a Christian?

    I am perfectly happy with no prayer before high school football games, and I am perfectly OK with prayer before a religious school game. Christianity has survived for thousands of years in the realm of ideals and religions. Islam has to kill people to survive. Is it any wonder why Islamists get upset when their so-called prophet is criticized?

    As Christians we can take more verbal abuse that Islam because Islam is built on anger, hate, and murder. Islam cannot take competition.

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  25. “Is he born here and do you know if he’s a patriot?”
    Yes. His father has owned a number of businesses like many and they are conservative.
    Yes he is pro America.
    “Sounds like someone’s not really happy with his choice”
    Sounds like conviction, eh?

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  26. geeez2014 says:

    Bob, I tend to agree with you on prayer in public schools……I’m just not really sure how hard public school administrators would fight Islamic prayer but they’ll fight anything Christian tooth and nail. We’ve all seen things like that. We have one father who was kept off campus for not wanting his child submitting to practicing Islamic customs “just for the experience”. Imagine if they’d done a class asking for kids to go to a church for the experience?

    Ed….yes, I do think it sounds like that…….but I’d rather not get too into that here today.
    Wonderful that he’s pro American…there are many muslims like that..I WISH they’d SPEAK OUT!

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