Peggy Noonan….On TRUMP; well worth the read

Our pal Baysider sent me this in email form and I had to publish it here because Noonan has some very important, true things to say here.   I had gone off ol’ Peggy when she was head over heels for Barack, but I think she’s come back…..Take a look:

America Is So in Play

Donald Trump’s staying power in the polls reflects a change in the electorate only now coming into focus.

So, more thoughts on Donald Trump’s candidacy, because I can’t stop being fascinated.

You know the latest numbers. Quinnipiac University’s poll this week has Mr. Trump at a hefty 28% nationally, up from 20% in July. Public Policy Polling has Mr. Trump leading all Republicans in New Hampshire with 35%. A Monmouth University poll has him at 30% in South Carolina, followed 15 points later by Ben Carson.

Here are some things I think are happening.

One is the deepening estrangement between the elites and the non-elites in America. This is the area in which Trumpism flourishes. We’ll talk about that deeper in.

Second, Mr. Trump’s support is not limited to Republicans, not by any means.

Third, the traditional mediating or guiding institutions within the Republican universe—its establishment, respected voices in conservative media, sober-minded state party officials—have little to no impact on Mr. Trump’s rise. Some say voices of authority should stand up to oppose him, which will lower his standing. But Republican powers don’t have that kind of juice anymore. Mr. Trump’s supporters aren’t just bucking a party, they’re bucking everything around, within and connected to it.

Since Mr. Trump announced, I’ve worked or traveled in, among other places, Southern California, Connecticut, Georgia, Virginia, New Jersey and New York’s Long Island. In all places I just talked to people. My biggest sense is that political professionals are going to have to rethink “the base,” reimagine it when they see it in their minds.

I’ve written before about an acquaintance—late 60s, northern Georgia, lives on Social Security, voted Obama in ’08, not partisan, watches Fox News, hates Wall Street and “the GOP establishment.” She continues to be so ardent for Mr. Trump that she not only watched his speech in Mobile, Ala., on live TV, she watched while excitedly texting with family members—middle-class, white, independent-minded—who were in the audience cheering. Is that “the Republican base”? I guess maybe it is, because she texted me Wednesday, saying: “I registered to vote today! I am a Republican now!!!” I asked if she’d ever been one before. Reply: “No, never!!!”

Something is going on, some tectonic plates are moving in interesting ways. My friend Cesar works the deli counter at my neighborhood grocery store. He is Dominican, an immigrant, early 50s, and listens most mornings to a local Hispanic radio station, La Mega, on 97.9 FM. Their morning show is the popular “El Vacilón de la Mañana,” and after the first GOP debate, Cesar told me, they opened the lines to call-ins, asking listeners (mostly Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican) for their impressions. More than half called in to say they were for Mr. Trump. Their praise, Cesar told me a few weeks ago, dumbfounded the hosts. I later spoke to one of them, who identified himself as D.J. New Era. He backed Cesar’s story. “We were very surprised,” at the Trump support, he said. Why? “It’s a Latin-based market!”

“He’s the man,” Cesar said of Mr. Trump. This week I went by and Cesar told me that after Mr. Trump threw Univision’s well-known anchor and immigration activist, Jorge Ramos,out of an Iowa news conference on Tuesday evening, the “El Vacilón” hosts again threw open the phone lines the following morning and were again surprised that the majority of callers backed not Mr. Ramos but Mr. Trump. Cesar, who I should probably note sees me, I sense, as a very nice establishment person who needs to get with the new reality, was delighted.

I said: Cesar, you’re supposed to be offended by Trump, he said Mexico is sending over criminals, he has been unfriendly, you’re an immigrant. Cesar shook his head: No, you have it wrong. Immigrants, he said, don’t like illegal immigration, and they’re with Mr. Trump on anchor babies. “They are coming in from other countries to give birth to take advantage of the system. We are saying that! When you come to this country, you pledge loyalty to the country that opened the doors to help you.”

He added, “We don’t bloc vote anymore.” The idea of a “Latin vote” is “disparate,” which he said generally translates as nonsense, but which he means as “bull—-.”

He finished, on the subject of Jorge Ramos: “The elite have different notions from the grass-roots working people.”

  1. Old style: Jorge Ramos speaks for Hispanic America. New style: Jorge Ramos speaks for Jorge Ramos. Old style: If I’ve lost Walter Cronkite, I’ve lost middle America. New style: How touching that an American president once thought if you lost a newsman you’d lost a country.

It is noted that a poll this week said Hispanics are very much not for Donald Trump. Gallup had 65% with an unfavorable view of him, and only 14% favorable. Mr. Trump and Mr. Ramos actually got into that, when Mr. Ramos finally questioned him after being allowed back into the news conference. Mr. Trump countered with a recent Nevada poll that has him with a state lead of 28%—and he scored even higher with Nevada’s Hispanics, who gave him 31% support.

I will throw in here that almost wherever I’ve been this summer, I kept meeting immigrants who are or have grown conservative—more men than women, but women too.

America is so in play.

And: “the base” isn’t the limited, clichéd thing it once was, it’s becoming a big, broad jumble that few understand.


On the subject of elites, I spoke to Scott Miller, co-founder of the Sawyer Miller political-consulting firm, who is now a corporate consultant. He worked on the Ross Perot campaign in 1992 and knows something about outside challenges. He views the key political fact of our time as this: “Over 80% of the American people, across the board, believe an elite group of political incumbents, plus big business, big media, big banks, big unions and big special interests—the whole Washington political class—have rigged the system for the wealthy and connected.” It is “a remarkable moment,” he said. More than half of the American people believe “something has changed, our democracy is not like it used to be, people feel they no longer have a voice.”

Mr. Miller added: “People who work for a living are thinking this thing is broken, and that economic inequality is the result of the elite rigging the system for themselves. We’re seeing something big.”

Support for Mr. Trump is not, he said, limited to the GOP base: “The molecules are in motion.” I asked what he meant. He said bars of support are not solid, things are in motion as molecules are “before combustion, or before a branch breaks.”

I end with this. An odd thing, in my observation, is that deep down the elite themselves also think the game is rigged. They don’t disagree, and they don’t like what they see—corruption, shallowness and selfishness in the systems all around them. Their odd anguish is that they have no faith the American people can—or will—do anything to turn it around. They see the American voter as distracted, poorly educated, subject to emotional and personality-driven political adventures. They sometimes refer to “Jaywalking,” the old Jay Leno “Tonight Show” staple in which he walked outside the studio and asked the man on the street about history. What caused the American Civil War? Um, Hitler? When did it take place, roughly? Uh, 1958?

Both sides, the elites and the non-elites, sense that things are stuck.

The people hate the elites, which is not new, and very American. The elites have no faith in the people, which, actually, is new. Everything is stasis. Then Donald Trump comes, like a rock thrown through a showroom window, and the molecules start to move. (end of article)

Z:  What do you think?   I’ve been saying that Trump is appealing to not only Republicans but Democrats, too….and that Hispanics are going more and more toward Conservatism.  If it weren’t that TRUMP was the subject of this article, I’d be thrilled.   I wish I could be thrilled about Donald “I’m SO RICH” Trump, believe me.


(thanks, Baysider)

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24 Responses to Peggy Noonan….On TRUMP; well worth the read

  1. Good read. Quite in line with a controversial book I recently read: Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960–2010 by Charles Murray.

    Related: ‘Pendulum Factor’ could land Trump in White House:


    …From the rise of Islamic State to the horrific slaughters in Syria and the immigration chaos at home, along with the unchecked aggression of China, Russia and now Iran, Obama’s appeasement and blame-America approach are having disastrous consequences.

    All the Western democracies are rattled, and their politics are scrambled by nervous and unhappy publics. The United States is not immune, but the unique culture of American exceptionalism, which Obama never embraced, is alive and well in many hearts. If there is anything most Americans hate more than war, it is seeing the country ­behaving like a weakling and being pushed around.

    Trump is scoring as the perceived antidote. You cannot imagine him going to Germany and proclaiming himself a “citizen of the world.” The slogan on his hat says, “Make America Great Again,” and he summarized his message as, “We’re not gonna take it anymore!”…


  2. The smart young black lady that reports to me, and her boyfriend, are Trump supporters.
    Other than that, they are not politically astute.


  3. The elites have given us “Chimerica“… what’s NOT to LOVE about it? We don’t need nation states or even democracy!


  4. bocopro says:

    Refreshing attitude of “Well, let’s shoot somethin, even if it’s wrong” and then “Let God sort it out when all the whimpering’s over.” Trump refuses to kneel at the high altar of PC and isn’t interested in apologies, either coming or going.

    That strikes a chord with many Murkans who have witnessed the steady, insidious decline of a once-proud nation at the hands of corrupt, greedy, self-promoting idiots who strut their careers around the stage with their endless procession of hearings, investigations, porcine legislation, and demands for apologies full of blather and bluster, signifying nothing.

    Most can’t understand why a ballot or a brouhaha or a bullet hasn’t shortstopped the Soetoro thugocracy by now and are invigorated by someone with the moxie to tell it like it is about what’s inflating our national debt and deflating our national character.

    Incidentally, Ramos’s daughter Paola worked for Biden, Obama, and now for Hillary, but he says that “her job doesn’t affect my work.” Yeah, and if my daughter worked for General Motors I’d never drive a Chevy.


  5. silverfiddle says:

    We’ve been hearing about immigrant unease for years now, and it makes sense. People came here for a reason, and they are alarmed when they see their new home sliding toward third-world hellhole status of the place they escaped.

    I was hanging out awhile back at a get-together, and some Mexican day laborers were carping about how the newly-arrived illegals were driving down their wages. I said something like “well, now you know how the gringos feel!” and we all had a good laugh.

    I also think we’ve all been sensing some kind of tectonic shift going on, change in the air, a zeitgeist, whatever.

    I don’t know if Trump is consciously tapping into that, or if people are pouring their fears, anxieties and hopes into him, but right now, he is THE Representative of those of us who are alarmed at what we see going on in our nation and the world, and those of us disgusted with the political establishment, not just the other party, but the whole rotten raft of those dirty DC rats and cockroaches.


  6. alec says:

    Great article. Except. It continues to advance the partial truth that the issue is the haves against the have nots. And it assumes that the people of America choose to act in accordance with their best interests. How do people judge what’s in their best interest when the information is rationed and manicured and the terms and positions of all discussions are pre-decided in public relations board rooms?

    Never forget that Trump is an insider. The game for all of our lifetimes has been the same: move people to embrace the policies, philosophies and goals that support elite totalitarianism. They only let out the fishing line when they are preparing to suddenly shift us all in a direction that you wouldn’t otherwise like.

    They want you to be invested in and to embrace your slavery, without even realising that you are not free.

    Trump will show his true colors before long. Oh wait, he already has to those of us who live in NY. Too bad our American memories are so short.


  7. John M. Berger says:

    The Obvious:
    1) His extreme arrogance, he wears it on his sleeve.
    2 His high profile, a showman for sure.
    3) His undeniable success as a businessman.

    Yet to be determined:
    1) Are his motives really in our best interest?
    2) When will he give us some specifics?
    3) Does he really have sustainable “staying power”?
    4) Can he beat the Democrat?


  8. silverfiddle says:

    My favorite line from Noonan’s article:

    “Then Donald Trump comes, like a rock thrown through a showroom window…

    Wonderful imagery!


  9. geeez2014 says:

    AOW, the quote includes “If there is anything most Americans hate more than war, it is seeing the country ­behaving like a weakling and being pushed around.”
    My problem with that is that I don’t think many younger people agree with that…they’ve embraced Obama’s apology tours, his reminding us we’re not exceptional in many ways, etc. We, yes, we hate seeing our country pushed around, particularly when it’s allowed by a sitting president, but….

    But, in general that ‘We’re not going to take it anymore’ is resonating with a LOT of people.

    Ed, I think that says a lot. They can’t be the only two, can they.

    Vrag, good point.

    bocopro…I saw an L.A. Times the other day which had the Ramos/Trump story on the front of the Calendar Section, or THEIR ENTERTAINMENT PAGES! That said a lot…
    I think Ramos did himself a lot of harm in general………people woke up to the fact that what he’s basically saying is “Look, if you don’t embrace every illegal hispanic and let us change your country, and maybe even financially break and your American workers, you’re a damned bigot.” Really, what else can what he says mean? I understand his zealotry to help his people but not like this. And yes, his daughter is a big time leftwing advocate/worker.

    SF: It’s good that you said this: “well, now you know how the gringos feel!”
    You’ve read here how I spoke to 2 separate Hispanic immigrants, both of whom are check-out clerks at 2 stores I frequent; when I moaned about how high grocery costs are rising, and added “and wait till the minimum wage goes up!” BOTH of them…said “Ya, that’s going to make it so nobody can afford anything…I hope that doesn’t happen” THEY GET IT, why can’t liberals?
    Though I do understand that nobody can really live on the min. wage what we’ve forgotten is that it was high school kids who did a lot of those jobs over the years, not family heads.
    The rock in the window is perfect, isn’t it.

    alec, Trump only has to talk for five minutes and he turns me off SO BIG TIME…though what he’s basically saying is compelling……and gets us going. His lack of dignity and humility and class are SO SO upsetting to me…really terrible. I keep trying to picture him make a speech to foreign dignitaries, blustering on in his egomaniacal manner….it makes me shudder. Oh, if ONLY one of the Republican candidates had the guts to tell the truth, too, but tell it with DIGNITY and HUMILITY AND ENERGY!!

    JMB: EXCELLENT list there….thank you for that; we have to remember these things.


  10. Mustang says:
    Ms. Noonan may be entirely correct about droves of American casting the “fed up” vote in 2016, although it seems to me that we had fed-up voters in 2008, as well. If we ignore previous presidential elections where fed up Americans mindlessly followed the Pied Piper down Hope & Change Boulevard, has anything changed for the better?

    We can ignore the question for now; after all, what has past has past. Instead, I wish a Trump supporter would educate me how Donald will produce for us a utopian America. What specifically is the Trump supporter fed up with, and then based upon everything he or she knows about Trump, how precisely will their candidate fix those problems? I mention this because I have not heard Trump mention one time how he intends to fix our horrible system of public education. I have not heard Trump say one thing about scrapping green idiocy so that our oil and coal industries can rehire workers. Moreover, since we all seem fed up with Congress and the Roberts Court, how will Trump address those issues?

    I wonder if most of us who comment here realize that the loudest voices in our country today comprise just a little over half of our nation’s voting age population. The implication of this is that a little more than one quarter of the voting age population decides who will be our next president —my estimate being about 26%. A reminder, too, that some of these voters think Hitler caused the Civil War. Given that 26%, then we have to assume 74% of voting age citizens fall into two remaining categories: (a) those who are oblivious about almost everything, and (b) those who are damned angry about our direction in this country (whether left or right).

    It is on this basis that I have a pessimistic view about the future of our Republic. Under these conditions, it does not matter who wins the next presidential contest. When most people in this country no longer care about the direction of our country, our demise has already occurred.


  11. geeez2014 says:

    Mustang “When most people in this country no longer care about the direction of our country, our demise has already occurred.”
    It sure feels like most people don’t…at least most young people….they’ve become so reliant on America and will be so surprised when it’s not there for them; rather like a kid in high school who gets a car from his parents and then graduates from college and they tell him he can buy his own cars from now on because they’re broke. ‘WHAT? I thought you’d always be there for me!”

    “What specifically is the Trump supporter fed up with..?” I think “Everything going on today” is a good response to that; The iran deal, China’s rise, Obama’s apologizing for us, high taxes, no jobs, overwhelming illegal immigration,etc etc etc……..
    How Trump can fix ANY of those is still up in the air and you’re right; he is going to HAVE to give details some time soon.

    On the other hand, it’ll take some BIG WONDERFUL DO-ABLE BUNCH OF DETAILS to convince me a blowhard like this, a New York thug who pushes his money around and whose ego’s only GROWING with this newfound adulation (he found a way for even MORE people to pay attention!) should lead THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY.

    Contrast him with George Washington or Ronald Reagan…….ugh


  12. baysider says:

    My favorite comment: “I can’t stop being fascinated.” Who can? We are watching a momentous (and I think disastrous) thing unfold.

    Ref: AOW’s book choice, Coming Apart. Murray hits home runs in chapter after chapter. But one of the biggest takeaways is that the elites who once mixed with ordinary folks in many community/social institutions have moved into their own bubble. It’s clear the [pollster] elites whose legs were shaking at the news that their focus groups were rejecting elitism are in their own bubble.


  13. geeez2014 says:

    baysider, can you give me an example of how the author draws the conclusion that elites “once mixed with ordinary folks ..have moved into their own bubble.”? I’m curious about that.

    By the way, I’m sure you’ve read it, but Jim Webb apparently’s written a book about the Scotch/Irish input to America in the past and a friend told me a lot about it last night; very interesting information. Some known, some new to me, anyway.


  14. baysider says:

    An example is voluntary civic associations. Today’s Moose, Elks, etc. are remnants of a once robust mosiac of associations that were central features of American ciivc life. They drew membership across all social classes and assured regular interaction among different classes. He calls this part of building ‘social capital.’

    People don’t belong to service groups, youth groups, etc. so much now. Twice as many low class as upper are disengaged (roughly 2/3 to 1/3). This was the figure in the 70’s. It’s over 80% now. He connects these to marriage and religiosity. Half of social capital centers around churches. As they decline, so does social capital. Intact marriages allow more flexibility for mom or dad to be engaged in these activities, whereas single parents generally are working.


  15. geeez2014 says:

    “They drew membership across all social classes and assured regular interaction among different classes. He calls this part of building ‘social capital.’”
    I suppose that’s true….There are still some lodges, etc., but not nearly as many, that’s right.
    Social capital is definitely waning…and that’s a terrible direction to be in.

    See you all later tonight.


  16. bocopro says:

    If ya ain’t a Shakespeare type, or just don’t know Richard III, or strongly dislike El Donaldo, you might not care for this rework. Just felt in the soliloquy mood today after mowin the lawn and rinsin myself off when I finished. Besides, writing unrhymed iambic pentameter is good cerebral calisthenics.

    I changed Gloucester into Everyman speaking of one who isn’t malevolent (as is Richard) but merely a maverick. Postin’ it here just to be a burr under the saddle to those whom Le Tromp hath offended.

    Now is the summer of our discontent
    Made glorious pastime by this Don of Trump;
    And all the fear that lurked within our speech
    In the far corner of the dungeon banished.
    Now are our brows lit with unspeakable truths;
    Our battered goals recharged for argument,
    Our buried dreams revived for contemplation,
    Our old ideals their polish and luster freshed.
    Smug unbought cheek hath stoked his cocky voice;
    And now, instead of mealy-mouthing words
    To satisfy norms of staid convention,
    He disdains pledging his conformity
    Whilst he funds his ride from naught but his own.
    And he, not steeped in approved politics,
    Nor apt to suffer bogus popinjays;
    He, that to no pac his allegiance owes
    Nor bows to kings or entrenched lobbyists;
    He, that disparaged the Foxy blonde Queen
    Who used her beauty ‘gainst him as device
    When ‘mongst his peers his habits she assailed,
    In league with those who would him now expulse
    As aggravation in stage performance
    Of their refined practiced mantra chants;
    No, he, in this sad declining time of slump,
    Takes no delight in playing by their rules,
    Except where law and circumstance dictate,
    And returns two-fold the barb the question masks.
    And therefore, since he cannot play a gop,
    Or imitate the rehearsed well-drilled types,
    He enjoys his role as provocateur
    And says what we all think and they can’t say.


  17. silverfiddle says:

    From Amazon, on Jim Webb’s “Born Fighting”

    Former navy secretary Webb (Fields of Fire; etc.) wants not only to offer a history of the Scots-Irish but to redeem them from their redneck, hillbilly stereotype and place them at the center of American history and culture. As Webb relates, the Scots-Irish first emigrated to the U.S., 200,000 to 400,000 strong, in four waves during the 18th century, settling primarily in Appalachia before spreading west and south. Webb’s thesis is that the Scots-Irish, with their rugged individualism, warrior culture built on extended familial groups (the “kind of people who would die in place rather than retreat”) and an instinctive mistrust of authority, created an American culture that mirrors these traits. Webb has a genuine flair for describing the battles the Scots-Irish fought during their history, but his analysis of their role in America’s social and political history is, ironically for someone trying to crush stereotypes, fixated on what he sees, in almost Manichaean terms, as a class conflict between the Scots-Irish and America’s “paternalistic Ivy League-centered, media-connected, politically correct power centers.” He even excuses resistance to the “Northern-dominated” Civil Rights movement. Another glaring weakness is the virtual absence of women from the sociological narrative. Webb interweaves his own Scots-Irish family history throughout the book with some success, but by and large his writing and analysis are overwhelmed by romanticism.

    In telling the story of the Scots-Irish in America as a robust and passionate tale, novelist Webb writes straightforward, no-nonsense, readable history that clips right along while it is also very personal and highly idiosyncratic about a people who, he claims, are largely invisible–taken for granted–to the general public and who, seldom thinking of themselves in ethnic identity terms, mostly don’t know their culture. Webb maintains that Scots-Irish attitudes form the bedrock of American society, especially among the working class. Scots-Irish culture has produced American presidents from Andrew Jackson to Bill Clinton, soldiers from Ulysses S. Grant to George Patton, pioneers, preachers, and others whose most common characteristics may be described as fierce individualism, persistent egalitarianism, and a strong sense of personal honor. Perhaps the most visible examples of broad and ongoing Scots-Irish legacy are the fundamentalist Christianity (a potent combination of Scottish Calvinism and headstrong populism) of America’s Bible Belt and country music. Webb begins the Scots-Irish saga in Scotland, where, he says, the Scots-Irish character was formed, moves on to the Ulster Scots of what is now Northern Ireland, and follows them to the Appalachians and points beyond as well as through the American Revolution, the Civil War, and up to the present day. Popular history at its finest.


  18. silverfiddle says:

    Charles Murray has identified self-sorting going on over the past few decades via zip code analysis and studies of who marries and interacts with who.

    Anecdotal shorthand would be: Doctors used to marry nurses, businessmen used to marry secretaries, but that doesn’t happen anymore. As gross oversimplification, but there’s still some truth there.

    I think he did some analysis of professions of husband-wife couples. Before, there were many more examples of a high-paid professional married to a homemaker, or schoolteacher or secretary.

    He points out that it is now more common for both spouses to be blue collar, or both to be higher-paid professionals.

    I don’t remember where all he got his data, but he also shows a lower level of cross-class mingling/social circles, etc.


  19. fredd says:

    It’s early, and Peggy Noonan’s slumming it with Joe Sixpack and Jorge Gonzales does not convince me that things are turning back in our direction (conservative). Anectdotal evidence such as Peggy spews here is hardly a compelling argument that Donald Trump will win the presidency in a landslide.

    I seem to recall similar anectdotal evidence last election that suggested Obama was going down in defeat. Remember the “Obama Girl?” The one with that catchy video that came out before the 2008 election? Yeah, her? She completey changed her tune, and threw Barry under the bus in 2012. Well, there you have it. Barry’s done.

    Not so fast, Hop Sing…….we still have 15 months until the election, and its WAY too early to let Peggy Noonan back into the conservative fold, Z. I will block her entrance to the Conservative Picnic for at least another 15 months, even if she is packing a delicious three-bean salad, with home-made corn bread.

    We’ll have to wait and see.


  20. Kid says:

    Given that only 3% of the population(4% tops) is even dateable, we can only imagine how many (few actually) will vote with America’s interests in mind or even after a logical thought process has occurred.


  21. geeez2014 says:

    bocopro, no, I ain’t a Shakespeare person (maybe the least informed Shakespeare person you know) but I LOVE good writing and I totally get the similarity to Shakespeare and this ROCKS….you are very good at this stuff! Amazing.
    Thank you!

    SF…thanks for the title; sounds very good….
    “He points out that it is now more common for both spouses to be blue collar, or both to be higher-paid professionals.” This absolutely fascinated me….I wonder why this has happened. Clearly, there are more women higher-paid pros, so that’s part of it. Is there a snobbism, too? Is there that kind of thing where men felt like men when they met a sweet young secretary or nurse and married her? Which I find FINE, I’m not a big libber…why not marry a lovely girl who maybe didn’t have a chance at college, or whatever?
    This is interesting.

    fredd; i Know….I still think she had some good thinking in this piece but she ticked me off SO BIG TIME when she endorsed the Jerk Obama that I’m not quite on her side yet, either….I know what you mean.

    Kid “Dateable?”!!!


  22. Z,
    AOW, the quote includes “If there is anything most Americans hate more than war, it is seeing the country ­behaving like a weakling and being pushed around.”
    My problem with that is that I don’t think many younger people agree with that…they’ve embraced Obama’s apology tours

    Because of Zinnism, so promoted in our education system from middle school through graduate school. This Zinnism started taking hold around 1985, and very few of us — conservatives included — don’t realize how infested we are with that poison.


  23. SF,
    The Murray book to which I referred earlier in this thread isn’t primarily political, but rather societal. However, he does touch upon the elitism and the snootiness factor of both political parties.


  24. cube says:

    If Peggy Noonan were to write that the sky is blue, I would run out and check for myself.


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