You all understand THIS well, don’t you. Iran is thumbing its nose at America just at the time that Obama’s managed to squeeze votes out for this hideous nuclear ‘deal.’ Coincidental timing? (Okay, you can stop laughing now!)
Here’s what happens: America tries to negotiate with the Muslim mind (Arabs, Iraqis, Iranians, etc….all who are from that general area). We go in with good precious liberal good intentions….bringing America down just a notch so their Iranian negotiating partners see we’re willing not to be quite the Great America we’ve been (known as “The Great Satan” in Iranian diplomatic circles); after all, Leftwingers simply can’t take our supremacy and goodness and Obama seems to be the biggest proponent of that line of thinking. SO, we go in, friendly, smiling, candid, “if we’re nice, they’ll like us and we can DO THIS deal and all’s well with the world…at least until Emperor Obama’s out of office!!”
I know the minds of that region better than a lot of people because of my heritage and because my mother was raised in Istanbul and raised in Cairo. I’ve known many people from that region (no Muslims, but plenty of people from the region….who’ve been around Muslims from the region and don’t trust them a minute) My husband had frequent business dealings with Iraqi Muslims and he thought some were very nice but completely untrustworthy….
SO, the Iranians go into those meetings seeing the big smiles, the friendliness, the bowing to them as we shrink in self esteem, and they know that there are people in America who can’t stand Obama and others who can’t get enough of him. They know the American minds; they know about Republicans who believe we need to conquer extremists who mean us or the region harm, that we’re smart enough not to believe everything they say, and that we don’t support making friends with them until we can truly trust them, and they know Democrats believe that making friends is all we need to do and “Presto! Instant Peace!!”
We don’t understand their minds. Heck, for years we taught our spies and soldiers Farsi or Arabic not like they speak on the street but “high Arabic,” “formal Farsi” that, if you use it, makes people think “Who is THIS? He’s not one of US!” How idiotic.
So, through their DISDAIN (it’s disdain for Obama and Kerry, not even hatred), they negotiate….hiding things, massaging the details to look better to the world than they are, believing wholeheartedly that Kerry and Obama will buy their stories hook, line and sinker.
PRIDE IS EVERYTHING TO THEM…we’ve shown none because leftwingers don’t like PRIDE, that’s selfish and unkind to others who haven’t quite the reasons for that pride. We must be LIKE them, we must be on a level playing field…..The Iranians love that. Because they know they’ve got the upper hand. As if we’re on some odd even playing field….imagine? Obama’s dream: AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD.
Who believes that Kerry and Obama are watching the political timber in Iran and reacting to it? Ya, I didn’t see any hands up among my readers so I’m guessing you agree with me…”O”.
Who believes that the Iranians closely watch the input Obama’s getting, the polls about Obama and this deal? Alright, put your hands down. You’re right. They’re watching and playing us like a fine violin. If what they’re doing in the article I linked doesn’t show that, I’m not here typing this post……
What do you suggest we do? How should we have gone into those talks? Would they hate us more if we’d been tougher? Or respected us more? Do you think Obama cares that they’re playing him and us for fools?
Are we fools? CHECK THIS OUT….read the whole thing…
THOUGHTS?
Z
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Hugh Hewitt took some grief for his “gotcha” questioning of Trump.
http://thehill.com/:
“The host of “The Hugh Hewitt Show” said he wanted to focus on “commander-in-chief questions” and asked Trump if he was familiar with General Qasem Soleimani, the leader of Iran’s Quds Force, as well as other prominent military figures in the Middle East.
Trump initially responded affirmatively, but began to give an answer about the “Kurds,” apparently confused by the word “Quds.”
I heard a radio guy take this apart yesterday.
Would you rather have Kerry, who knows all the names of all the players, or Trump, who could learn them, negotiate with Iran?
i’ll take Trump.
I doubt he’d settle for SOS.
As for the deal, the ink is not dry and they are threatening UN inspectors.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/081815-767117-iran-acts-like-the-mafia-toward-uns-nuclear-watchdog.htm
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Can’t add much to what you’ve said . . . touched all the bases IMO.
Soetoro cannot comprehend the fact that the only thing their mindset respects is superior power, and he continues to diminish not only the prestige but also the strength of the US deterrent. He, an un-American alien, sends in a failed anti-American traitor to negotiate with devious, cagey, experienced deal brokers, hoping that he’ll draw that 5th jack to his inside straight.
As Churchill said, he’s feeding chickens and marshmallows to the crocodile hoping it will eat him last.
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To compound this failure, look at the Senate Majority leadership.
Mitch McConnell has a 54 seat majority. Ergo, he needs another 13 votes to meet his two-thirds burden for an over-ride of the inevitable veto. A lift, to be sure, but far from an impossibly heavy one. Given the announced support of influential Democratic Senators such as Schumer (next Dem leader-apparent) and Menendez (recent Foreign Relations Committee Chairman), the look of their ‘cover’ votes notwithstanding, he could have mobilized them to help recruit the needed eleven additional votes. For an experienced guy such as McConnell, this is a fully surmountable obstacle!
Could you imagine the Lyndon Johnson of 1959 failing to get this done?? Not a chance!
I see only two possibilities. Either McConnell is in fact the chinless weakling that he appears to be or
there is a well hidden and far more nefarious agenda at work here.
This makes it clear that Corker did not act in a vacuum.
I won’t comment on Speaker Boehner other than to say that I am contemplating the founding of a fund to finance a spinal transplant for him. Think Newt.
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I believe we all agree this is a bad deal for us and shouldn’t have been made because it put us in such a condescending position. The BIG question is: How much more damage is he going to inflict on our country before he is out of office?
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Ed; I am SO with you on that….excellent comparison of Kerry and Trump. If we’re to believe Trump (and most anyone who’s had any experience with him), he CAN negotiate, albeit like a pushy egocentric blowhard. I’m starting to like those character traits if they’re on OUR SIDE 🙂 Can’t ya just SEE Trump and the Iranian negotiators?
This might sound odd, but I just had this feeling that Trump seems to be getting into this more ‘highly conservative’ frame of mind from his followers, the crowds at his gatherings. I’ve had this sense that he’s admiring them very much, in spite of his ego, and their values…..I could be ALL WET on this, but I think the people are beginning to rub off on Trump. That make sense? I hope I’m right..
I so wish I hadn’t realized that interview with Hewitt was ‘going there’ because I did hear Trump and Hewitt but then drove into my parking structure and turned it off……I was home. I have zero problem with the fact that he might have confused Quds with Kurds and didn’t know certain leaders. He needs to pick an EXCELLENT person to be Sec of Defense and Sec of State who does know and who teachers him……..he’s not a slow learner.
bocopro; glad you agree. That mind is JUST NOT SOMETHING AMERICANS UNDERSTAND. I’m not saying all Middle Easterners are bad people, that’s not it. But PRIDE IS EVERYTHING. I totally believe Iran is thumbing their noses at Obama now very much on purpose.
\Great Churchill quote; one I’d not heard.
Imp; that’s some of THE best analysis I’ve read on this subject EVER. Good job. Yes! He could definitely mobilized Schumer and Menendez…excellent point. If they REALLY believe in their stance, why NOT? “think Newt”. Man, my allegiance to Newt is hot/cold over the years, but we SURE could use him NOW, couldn’t we.
Great points.
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Mal: Ssshhhh! Don’t even ASK that question!! You are SO RIGHT….it almost scares me!
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I’ve said this before, but remember the word ‘taqiyya’, the ‘honorable ‘ practice for Muzzies of LYING to the GIAOUR, non-believers in Allah, that’s us. In other words, plain English, our traitorous ‘leaders’, Bampot & Heinz-Kerry, have been had by experts in the art of taqiyya. They have sold both the U.S. & Israel, a nation Bampot hates, down the river. Don’t forget that Bampot doesn’t like the U.S. either.
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America has been a bumbling idiot on the world stage for decades now. We have no serious, experience adults in charge.
I liken America to a drunken millionaire staggering around, getting pickpocketed at ever turn.
Iran? To quote a famous charlatan, “At this point, what difference does it make?”
The fix is in, the deal will go through. Another win for Chairman Obama, another loss for America.
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I have never understood negotiation of the type that our liberal friends espouse. They seem to take the stand that 1) we need to make major concessions before negotiations begin to show our poor, ignorant adversaries that we are “serious”; and 2), given #1, after this defensive technique by the strongest country in the world, liberals are happy with any deal and will trumpet it as a success, no matter how many people are killed as a result of the deal.
Their strategy is simple. No matter how bad things are, just declare victory and count the votes.
BTW, my new bumper sticker suggestion is:
“Hillary in a Blanket. Nobody cares!”
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Mal — that question is one permanently seared into the tapestry of my chatgroup’s archives. We’ve answered it countless times, most of which ended with reference to the second amendment and that remarkably clear part of the Declaration which states “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
And generally the string ends with an exhortation to oil up Sgt. Ruger and Major Mossberg and Captains Glock, Smith, and Wesson.
Some time back my answer, among many I’ve posed, was this:
With apologies to A. Lincoln:
Six years and seven months ago the chimera of political correctness moved to bring change to this nation, change conceived in socialism and dedicated to the proposition that free enterprise is evil and wealth redistribution is divine.
Now we are mired in a deep economic rut, plagued with such debt that no nation shackled by our restrictions and regulations could emerge from it without chaos. The mass media selectively edit out any issues which might bring suspicion or discredit upon the administration’s policies. Scandals are short-lived because before one is thoroughly reported and investigated, it is quickly replaced by a fresh one on an unrelated matter.
Looking at the big picture, we can not continue, we can not recover, we can not prosper with the current administration in power. Brave men, living and dead, have struggled for more than 200 years to create this system which worked so well for so long, and one man has choked it into doldrums in less than a decade. The Muslim world will celebrate our continued decline into oblivion, completely forgetting all the good things we have done across the globe. It may be too late for this generation to heal the wounds the un-American popinjay and his gang of socialist dilettantes have inflicted on the nation’s health and safety. Only an immediate eviction of the corrupt and self-serving public servants in Washington can possibly retrieve and restore American exceptionalism and prosperity from the ravages of government of the socialists, by the socialists, for the benefit of the socialists, and return power to the people from whence it originally, and temporarily, was loaned to them.
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There are enough of the operators in government that don’t care about anything but their own wealth that will make these deals happen. They don’t care about Americans or anyone else at all.
The government is for sale.
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Your last link to the FrontPageMag is devastating – but no surprise. Hooray for Jeff Flake who said NO! We ought to thank him while we’re dumping on the rest of these weasels.
Yes, STRENGTH is the only bargaining chip they understand. That’s generally true in all negotiations, even benign ones that aren’t done by “devious, cagey, experienced deal brokers” whose religion sanctions lies for power.
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Lee Smith’s The Strong Horse (from which I’ve often quoted) is MUST reading. The title is a huge clue that whizzes right past the blind men bluffing their way through diplomacy today.
We must beware of giving ruthlessness an excuse. It has does NOT have root causes – not poverty, illiteracy, or a particular religion. It is a technique for getting power. “To mistake ruthlessness for desperation is a fundamental error of those whose sympathies are unclouded by judgment.” Like our ‘leaders’ in Washington. They are applying the same discredited ‘logic’ of how to address urban troubles to international ones.
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Lee Harris’ Civilization and Its Enemies shows how out of depth we are in ‘understanding their minds.’ He reviews A Case Study in Tolerance (hint: it’s Locke, NOT the platonic fallacy of today’s world). He talks about The Grand Illusion (peace through parlay), Ruthlessness and the Origins of Civilization, The Rare Virtues of the West, The Art of Western leadership, and how to keep the Pax Americana Intact.
I don’t know if it is possible to keep the Pax Americana after the last 7 years. After WW1 it’s said that people knew something they didn’t know before. They knew something that horrible was possible and it framed their future outlook. After WW2 British colonies knew something they didn’t know before. They knew Britain was not invincible, and it framed their future outlook. After Obama the world knows something they did not know before so fully: America is weak and spineless. And that is framing the future outlook of friend and foe alike.
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Baysider…well put: “After Obama the world knows something they did not know before so fully: America is weak and spineless. And that is framing the future outlook of friend and foe alike.”
And horrifying….we’re all aware of it and try to be optimistic; or DID. I notice a very distinct shift in the bloggers/commenters in the last year or so; particularly among the men, as a matter of fact. I’m not surprised.
Kid, I fear you’re right…when we know that American SENATORS are on the Iranian payroll?
That link from FPM is HORRIFYING: WHERE IS THE MEDIA?
bocopro…I hope you don’t mind I use this term, but “AMEN” to THIS! : “Only an immediate eviction of the corrupt and self-serving public servants in Washington can possibly retrieve and restore American exceptionalism and prosperity from the ravages of government of the socialists, by the socialists, for the benefit of the socialists, and return power to the people from whence it originally, and temporarily, was loaned to them.”
Very well said.
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Yeah, Abe did a pretty good job of explaining and repairing the schism he encountered. All I hadda do was bring it up to speed on the current chasm.
And if I were averse to words such as “amen,” I’d not be able to function in this house I share with a fiery and devout Catholic of the old school. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and Pagans use it . . . even Muslims (albeit in slightly different senses).
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Z, The media is out to lunch with the paid off senators and congress clowns.
Let me take another shot at this because I really don’t think people need to be smart to figure this out, they only need a few brain cells to rub together.
A concept – Everything you need to know you learned in Kindergarten. Or 1st grade if you didn’t go. I didn’t.
Iran/islam/moslems are bullies. There is only one successful way to deal with bullies and that is to make them pay a price they are unwilling to pay everytime they do something unacceptable. It’s simple. When they talk about Israel being a stinking corpse, you apply more sanctions, not negotiate fewer. When they fire up the centrifuges, you bomb them back to the stone age.
It’s simple.
Perspective: Reagan openly called The USSR the Evil Empire. oBAMa bows to Iran and let’s them have everything and anyhgint they want and doesn’t even negotiate the release of 4 Americans who can’t be more important to Iran than a toothless flea on a elephants ass.
It really is unbelievable.
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Kid…sadly they won’t “pay everytime they do something unacceptable” because even the pres of the USA doesn’t think they’re so unacceptable…remember “if America has nukes, why shouldn’t iran?” is the typical liberal mindset. THEY HONESTLY don’t see a difference…
that borderlines on TOTAL insanity or some kind of hatred and mistrust for America that I can’t even fathom.
You make some great points….yes, most people, like Reagan, punish for evil….not us; we pay them for it.
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Z, There are so many logical constructs – literally millions of them – between the Reagan America and oBAMa that have been raped, it is mind boggling. It is beyond language. It is beyond description. Much like the transformation of Germany in the 1930’s. I believe 99% of Germans had no idea what they were signing up for. Here we are again.
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Funny you should say that, Kid, because as I typed my post I kept thinking of Germany and what happened in WWII…People were largely oblivious. “Here we go again” is right.
And, as if Reagan is the problem, I just sent you an article which says that 35% of Democrats won’t call Reagan Airport by that name.
I’ll bet they’d call it STALIN AIRPORT….”How open minded!” “How interesting..what a fabulously inclusive country we have!” 😦
The GOOD news is that some Democrats are pulling back their NUKE DEAL votes….very good news.
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That link from FPM is HORRIFYING: WHERE IS THE MEDIA?
Yet another case of bought and paid for!
WE THE PEOPLE are nothing more than cannon fodder.
The corruption is a bottomless pit — or so it seems.
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A counter thought to Obama’s dream of an even playing field. It’s from our blogger colleague Black Five’s header: “If you find yourself in a fair fight you didn’t plan your mission properly. David Hackworth.” It’s clear the Iranians have planned their mission properly.
So has Obama. Different mission, though. Intellectuals love to pursue ‘abstractutopias’ and fantasy ideologies. That’s Kerry, among many. Obama, on the other hand, is ruthless. He wants to bring down the American society he despises, and has been willing to “plan his mission” while working under cover as an actual American for years to get there. For Tom Clancy readers, you’ll recognize The Cardinal of the Kremlin.
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Even Playng Field…..
How many times has Iran gone and provide drelief efforts to some natural calamity like an Earthquake or Tsunami? What sort of human relief effort does Iran provide that the USA provides in countless situations.
Even Playing Field? Places like Iran need to antey up before even bringing up the idea.
I sure wish I was in the White House. Like JFK talking to Kruschev, you’d see my smiling ugly puss on TV telling Iran in very specific terms that before they ask for equal consideratiuon they need to show the wolrd what they’ve given the world. What they’ve contributed. Because they’ve given Nothing. They’ve contributed Nothing.
Here we are in a world of diminishing resources (supply) and increasing population (demand) and I’m saying we don’t havbe time for a bunch of assholes like.what populates the middele east.
We don’t have time for it and we may not even have a survival ability for it.
If we’re going to make good things happen on a global scale, it’s not carbon we need to be focused on, it is assholes like what populates the entire middle east.
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Well, Iranian contributions include: standardization of money and first banking system which followed, poetry, biggest ziggurat, early cooling systems, punishment of ancient Israel ….
Um …. now let me think about the last 1500 years. Hmmm. 🙂
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Persian rugs maybe. But not good enough imo.
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Persian rugs – there ya go! Now they’ve got them flying with bombs.
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Well, there go my persian rug buying plans.
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