HEROIN

Heroin is getting more popular in the United States. WHY?

You’ve probably seen THIS STORY of a young mother of two who wanted a picture taken next to her husband in his casket shown around the world to warn against the ravages of heroin addiction.

From this article, here’s a fact that’s pretty surprising and pretty awful:

  • Heroin overdoses have caused more deaths than traffic accidents in the past several years.

That’s a pretty surprising statistic, isn’t it.  Probably, most of you think this is bad but that there are a lot of worse things going on today, and that’s probably true.   But, I think it’s a terrible indictment of morality and a total lack of hope.   

Heroin was around when we were young people, no doubt about it, but WHO WOULD TRY HEROIN?  Remember when you heard HEROIN and you thought “Man, only big time addicts do THAT!”   Not anymore.

WHY?   Have you known a heroin addict?  Have you lost a loved one to heroin?  Can we stop the importing of heroin into America?
Do you think this horrible thing says a lot about Americans or the new America?

Z

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49 Responses to HEROIN

  1. bocopro says:

    Before convenience and luxury became such integral parts of life in this Brave New World, people didn’t have time for addictions, except for good conversation, good books, good family, and good fun.

    Today our self-indulgence has made us addicted to things that aren’t particularly good for us . . . texting, fast food, porn, entitlements, fossil fuels, spectacular explosions . . . .

    For 30 years I smoked, then one day I ran out of the damned things and it was rainin and my wife had the car and I thought, “Jeeeez, now I gotta walk all the way over to the Commissary to buy some smokes in this cold rain!”

    Then I thought again and said, “Waitaminnit . . . who’s in charge here, me? or nicotine?” So I quit. Incidentally, the price of a carton had just gone up to OVER SIX DOLLARS!! I mean, that’s SIXTY CENTS A PACK!!! No way I was gonna pay that much.

    One of my wife’s friends bought a carton recently and the sales ticket fell outta his bag in the car. I picked it up and noticed that the carton cost SIXTY-THREE BUCKS! Wholly moley!

    I figure that by givin up smokin and drinkin back in the mid-80s, I gave myself a tax-free $5000 a year pay increase. Paid for a coupla cars by now, and a computer now and then, and a TV or two.

    Today I have just this nasty habit of breathing regularly, sleeping soundly, avoiding severe pain, having money in the bank, and always having my wife and my dog available. Oh, and writing. I’m hopelessly addicted to spilling words and phrases out onto blank screens in new and different ways. Ain’t got time for mood-altering chemicals that’ll eventually petrify my liver and kidneys.

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  2. fredd says:

    Boco: When I was in the U.S. Army as a soldier stationed in Augsburg, West Germany, I paid $1.41 for a carton of flip top Marlboros at the commissary. That’s 14 cents a pack. In 1976.

    I quit in 1991 when I ran out of smokes and went to the vending machine and a pack of Marlboros was,….gasp!!….$2.00. TWO DOLLARS!!! I wasn’t going to pay that.

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  3. That’s a pretty surprising statistic, isn’t it.

    Sadly, not to me. I have a cousin who became a heroin addict in her early 20s. She’s not dead. Yet. I say “yet” because, in spite of incarceration and numerous treatment programs, she still uses every chance she gets.

    Heroin dealing and heroin addiction are RAMPANT here in Northern Virginia. We’ve always had a bit of those problems: back in the 1970s, one of my fellow college students was a heroin addict with needle tracks all over his arms. I saw those same tracks on a student in one of my classes back in the 1970s; this young man was the son of one of the guidance counselors; she was in full blown denial — until she couldn’t be when D overdosed on campus.

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  4. Good movie about heroin addiction: The Man with the Golden Arm. Has anyone else here seen that film? It stars a scrawny Frank Sinatra.

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  5. cube says:

    I’ve never met anyone addicted to heroin or meth. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5t5trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
    Missy’s back on the keyboard… she’s not addicted, she just can’t type.

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  6. Boco and Fredd: I used to smoke, and it was expensive!
    Glad I never smoked tobacco!

    My brother had a niece, a sweet young girl.
    Hooked up in CO with a guy and died of addiction/overdose.
    A friend of mine that I’d do drugs with in Germany O.D.’d in a train station bathroom there after I left.
    A vendor came to make a sales call last year and brought his son, so his son could learn sales.
    He missed a follow up call the next week because after, I asked, he said his son had died.
    I asked of what, and it was a heroin OD.
    I was talking to my sister the next day and tried to make plans, but she had to go to a funeral of a young man at her church who had died of a heroin OD.
    After talking, I realized it was the salesman’s son!
    Last week, a friend at church lost his son to an OD. He had just gotten out of prison.
    It was probably safer for him in than out.

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  7. silverfiddle says:

    Good topic. I did some quick research. Mexico is growing more poppies and producing 10 times the opiates is was a few years back, and the price per gram is 1/2 what it was in the 1980’s.

    Beware… Political agenda ahead. Go read the mainstreams (Time, USNWR, Economist) and they point out that many addicts started out with legitimate pain pills for some medical condition. A typical subtle plug for single-payer “free” health care goes something like this: “Mean insurance companies are cutting back and getting stingy with pain pill prescriptions, so some are turning to heroin since it is cheaper.”

    As usual, bocopro identified the heart of the problem: Our society suffers from a sickness of the soul. I don’t know what’s caused it, but we want bigger, better, faster. To quote Jim Morrison: We want the world, and we want it now. Alcohol consumption and binge drinking is at an all-time high, as is diabetes and obesity, while Big Pharma markets us medications that allow us to mask the symptoms of our unhealthy lifestyle rather than change our habits.

    We are incapable of facing reality.

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  8. geeez2014 says:

    cube, as far as I know, I’ve never met a heroin or meth addicted person, either…….
    I did see a young pretty woman in the ER when Mom was there on Monday and she had tracks on her arms…I didn’t know what the spots were until I joined my sister at Mom’s bedside and she said “Did you see the heroin addict outside the door?” I felt so terrible for that girl…so pretty, so thin…her very pretty girlfriend was VERY thin looking too…………

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  9. geeez2014 says:

    MY QUESTION IS WHY? What prompts people to be so down on life, so in need of a high that this is where they’d go?

    Remember I often say SHAME is an underrated emotion? I think it applies here. Imagine in high school doing HEROIN? It was something SHOCKING back in the way…today, celebs get kudos for going into rehab like it’s some big good character badge of excellence!!

    We celebrate BAD!
    We do this because we want to be NICE (and the left’s taken this to a new art form)….
    AS MOST LIBERAL IDIOCIES DO, it hasn’t promoted NICENESS, it’s promoted people not thinking this stuff’s so bad after all….”Gee, they do it…gee, they didn’t get slammed for it…”

    This is very common in the Mormon communities in Utah, did you all know many are drug addicted? Yes, in Mormon communities?

    WHY? WHY? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR SOCIETY? THAT IS MY MAIN QuESTION….

    Hurt? Fear? No future? Celebrity worship? No feeling of unity anymore? WHAT IS HAPPENING that people need to get that high, knowing the risk they’re taking?

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  10. geeez2014 says:

    Silverfiddle! So while I’m typing my “WHY?” Question….you give a very good answer…as did bocopro, yes.

    bocopro and fredd…I smoked a little years….there’s a gene that keeps some from tobacco addiction and I’m convinced i had it because nobody enjoyed a cigarette with a martini or coffee as much as I did! And I would have a cigarette or two and then not smoke for a week…then go out with friends and smoke a pack and not smoke for 3 days…sometimes not for months……..very light smoker, but I liked it!
    the price didn’t freak me out because I just didn’t’ smoke that much and my friends teased me that I was a moocher, too (they were right)…

    Odd….so many friends of mine smoked in the day and NOBODY SMOKES now…I don’t know one smoker…oh, yes…two of my neighbors do, but………not one close friends smokes…no family members. WOW.

    AOW: I do know that film; it’s excellent, isn’t it.
    And I’m so sorry about your cousin; that girl wasn’t raised to do heroin? I’m sure she comes from a good family and she knew better! WHY?
    And brother, is she lucky she’s still alive.
    What a terrible story about your school counselor…he died on campus? MY GOD…..makes me want to cry just thinking of it. That poor kid and that poor mother.

    Silverfiddle hit on it pretty well……….
    I think there’s a HOPELESSNESS in our society……we’re not being raised to know “Sh**t happens”…it DOES and no leftwing legislation is going to make that better. And so since we’re told it shouldn’t happen, we’re shocked and pity ourselves if REALITY does happen to us…and we haven’t been taught to DEAL WITH IT…..does that make sense, the way I’m putting it?

    I just had a terrible thought I probably shouldn’t share but will: You know how when there are shootings on campuses, for example, there’s suddenly a bunch of hugging. TONS of hugging, and counselors are delivered there to help? it gives me the creeps. Because I think there’s something fake about it. OK; pull out your guns and let me have it! HERE’s maybe what I’m trying to get at: PEOPLE DEALT WITH THINGS in the past….we had bad stuff happen, we saw it happen, and we saw our folks survive, or we survived, and we MADE IT…..we had coping mechanisms through our families’ help. WE don’t seem to have them anymore.
    Do we offer this help now because it’s really helpful or because it’s a substitute for our characters that can’t take sadness and grief anymore? When our characters can’t cope, and heroin’s pretty cool, and our boyfriend does it, and …well, WHY NOT?
    GROUP HUG.
    ptui

    Obviously, I don’t blame heroin addiction on the Left, but I do wonder at this silly ‘be nice, accept, help’ attitude…those are nice AFTER we say “don’t DO IT, it might HURT YOU”

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  11. Mal says:

    My take as to why, Z, is the lack of a mother being there for the kids, like it was in the old days (you know, MY day). My folks never smoked and my mom was home. My wife and I didn’t smoke and she was home for all four kids, and none of the four kids smoked and still don’t. See a trend here?
    It also explains why the kids never got into trouble, either. Or…..was I just lucky?

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  12. geeez2014 says:

    Mal, plenty of people with moms home smoked, but I DO see your point. A mother at home is probably a little less likely to raise a heroin addict, at least a caring mother at home who keeps on eye on her children..yes.

    What’s so sad today is it’s simply not easy to raise even two children on one salary anymore. THAT MUST CHANGE, but HOW? it’s NOT up to the government, is it!

    One of my sisters is particularly financially well off in her marriage and has raised 3 wonderful kids and now has five grandchildren (I can hardly believe it!)….but she tells me there were a lot of mothers in their upper middle class neighborhood who worked only for the MErcedes and pool….their husbands made quite enough to raise their families without their wife working but maybe without the luxuries of ‘better’ cars and bigger homes…….that’s a problem right there.

    AND this same sister was often insulted by husbands at gatherings who’d say “You don’t WORK?” as if she was lazy and bad…….she raised GREAT KIDS and ran a beautiful home and did work at her church, their schools, etc…that was work!! It took her a couple of years of comments like that from the men to finally feel secure in herself and even tie a few of their ears back with her response 🙂

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  13. You ask why.
    Like SF said. It’s cheap. And readily available if you know where to ask.
    And so many people want pain relief for the smallest pain, emotional more often than not.
    I never did heroin despite it’s availability.
    I knew I would never recover.
    It would turn off the pain.
    I was willing to just dull it.
    A tricky game.

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  14. geeez2014 says:

    Cheap? But would I have done it if it were cheap when I was young? NO WAY! I was scared of it…I knew what it could do! And I have barely known anyone who ever did heroin or meth. I know people who did coke and I know tons of people who smoked pot; some still do, I think.

    I think it’s mostly emotional pain and I mean to deal with that kind of pain more than physical because I know some people do legal drugs for pain, then use that gateway to bigger stuff.
    But my point is not that it’s cheap, but that so many in our culture don’t find heroin frightening or death inducing!! Or don’t care?

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  15. geeez2014 says:

    a friend emailed me this and I asked her if I could post it for her, anonymously, changing the names, etc. She hasn’t responded but I don’t think she’d mind:

    “As you know, I have first hand knowledge of the heroin situation. Jim (grandson) is in his second 3 month stint of rehab (he has gone several times but only stayed for a few days). He got out in July of 2014 and here he is back in a year later. His latest stunt was burglarizing his Mom’s house, and then stealing a car from an ATM site. The DA said there wasn’t sufficient evidence to file as he wasn’t seen doing either. He was arrested in the car with jewelry from his Mom’s house. OMG. They don’t file anymore if there isn’t a violent crime. I say build more jails!

    Heroin is very cheap and you don’t have to shoot up any more. They smoke it, apparently like they do Meth. It is also a lot stronger and who knows what else is in it. It ruins their teeth, as well as the brain. When he is on it he makes no sense, usually talking about some conspiracy of one kind or another. I am surprised he hasn’t OD. He is 30 years old and doesn’t have a thing to show for it except three beautiful daughters that shouldn’t have to go through this.

    I agree about the movie The Man With The Golden Arm. I saw it when it first came out. I think all junior high kids should have to watch it.”

    This is a boy with a very, very loving family, and a brother who’s a very successful and nice kid. THIS kid was nice, too! I loved them both as my friend’s grandkids. They never wanted for anything, but didn’t live spoiled, upper middle class lifestyles, just nice, steady middle class lives…Dad and Mom worked but spent a lot of time with their children. Grandma was very involved, too……..this shouldn’t have HAPPENED!!! It makes NO SENSE.

    He got into a bad crowd….and all that good family stuff didn’t help somehow……

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  16. Baysider says:

    Yes, years ago I dated an ex-addict. And he was EX – like the Apostle Paul was an ex-persecutor. He had been badly wounded in the war, but had played around with stuff before. Addictive “personality.’ So he ended up on the worst (at the time). Came to Jesus. Got cleaned up. Helped others. I volunteered some in his halfway house. It takes so much more effort and people to come clean that than it did to slide down in the first place. Few there be that find it.

    I think it’s a terrible indictment of morality and a total lack of hope. Agree. A colleague’s son is down this trail. Shiftless. Can’t/won’t work. So he lives at home, but she had a solid door and dead bolt installed to wall him off from the house when she’s at work. And, yeah, they helped and helped and helped – counseling and beyond. Similar with another – only meth. Both brothers started down that trail – from a BEAUTIFUL, LOVING HOME (although their genetic father was an addict). One ended up 12 years in prison. The other ended up with Jesus in his heart. Saved his marriage, too. See a theme?

    Biochemistry is big, too. The University of Pennsylvania’s recovery program calls addiction a biopsychosocial disease. I’m not saying that causes it, but it can make it way easier to fall and much harder to get up. It’s like an alcoholic in recovery who goes to AA meetings and stays clean – but still scarfs down donuts that feed the candida the alcohol used to feed. He’s still brewing a problem that can bite him. Dr. Susser in WLA is well known for his work in this area with amino acid drips. As are doctors who – for longer term – work on brain entrainment and neurotransmitter mediation, especially GABA and dopamine reception. There is so much available here. I cry for those who want help and don’t know.

    Now, ON A LIGHTER NOTE here’s a parallel thought to “PEOPLE DEALT WITH THINGS in the past.” Michael Oren’s whimsical take about how fellow Jews celebrate so many feasts is with the attitude “They tried to kill us. We survived. Let’s eat.” 🙂

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  17. Baysider says:

    And Z, we have another gal in bible study who had SAME experience your sister reports. It’s UNBELIEVABLE!

    I’d LOVE to hear your sister’s responses. “That’s right, I don’t have to work because I have an invisible Household Executive who manages and organizes all meal planning, shopping and prep; cleaning, repairs and maintenance; calendars, meetings and chauffeur services; nursing duties; social engagements with my husband’s business; and volunteer work that keeps our church/school/fill-in-the-blank running smoothly.”

    I can think of others. THIS REALLY BUGS ME.

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  18. Z: “but that so many in our culture don’t find heroin frightening or death inducing!! Or don’t care?”
    There are so many forces in out culture, especially the media, that tell our youth that they are being lied to (Hunger Games, The Mazerunner) or that there is some force out there that is taboo, but really liberating (“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”).
    When someone comes up and says “Have you tasted of that fruit?” and you say you shouldn’t, the answer is that to do so would make you like God.
    Ask me how I know.
    And as I said before, I did acid because of it’s portrayal on TV, particularly, of all things, Mission Impossible.
    Some people have to find out the hard way.
    I did drugs at the urging of close friends in Catholic High School, who said we had been lied to.
    I just knew (thank God) heroin was what I was looking for, and it wasn’t the answer.
    And to Baysider’s comment:
    Jesus was the answer.

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  19. geeez2014 says:

    HI, Baysider….I’m afraid it’s ‘the thing to do’ in lots of the upper class neighborhoods..God forbid their children have a Mom at home if the mom can’t drive a Mercedes, right? SO SAD. And yes, my sis never stopped running raising her children and now she’s on duty helping her kids to raise their new children! She lives on the beach and, until about a month ago, hadn’t found a day to put her bathing suit on! She loves the beach but she’s that busy….this woman who ‘doesn’t work’.
    I always found it interesting that it was the MEN who made her feel inferior; Or tried to. Sad indictment of their own egos.

    I like that Orlen’s take on FOOD, that’s for sure!! I’ve been to a lot of Passovers (was at a LOT more until I married my German husband, after which invitations STOPPED, I swear)…and I thought there was a lot more reading and a not enough eating! (Oops…I hope that’s not Coulter-esque!!)

    And yes, it can be biochemical, too, but I rather put more store in Dr. Laura’s take that it’s a problem of the elbow bending….you either bend it so the drink or drug hits your lips or you don’t….nobody forces it down your mouth, up your nostrils, or into your arm.

    And, yes…I’m very smug saying that as I don’t have addictions…except to Mac ‘n Cheese 🙂
    Which I was going to leave there, but considering how much I love it, and how little I EAT it, that says even more about my not being an addictive personality!

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  20. geeez2014 says:

    THanks, Ed…and Yes, Baysider and you are right..Jesus is the answer. Man, how MANY lives have been changed through Him? It’s unbelievable……..HUGE….and the best witness we can give is to bring those up…..

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  21. Sparky says:

    I’ve been reading that heroin has become “in” again. I don’t understand people who want to self-destruct. The drug culture and the people in it frighten me too much to be near or associate with. The only person I’ve ever known for sure that was addicted to any kind of illegal drugs was my half sister K. Fortunately, K gave her heart to Jesus a few short years ago and, as far as I know, is “clean”. Her addiction was mostly Meth, although I’m sure it branched off into any “high” she could score. Her health is really delicate now.

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  22. geeez2014 says:

    Sparky, it is frightening, isn’t it. I hope your sister does well…. Meth is apparently hugely addictive and is very popular all over bedroom communities across this nation, believe it or not…mothers who do meth in the basement all day…and that’s it.

    It’s why I thought this post was important; until we get to the WHYS that it’s getting even more and more popular, how do we combat it?

    I guess it’s sort of like a president who can’t say Islamic Terror….harder to fight what they won’t admit.

    Until liberals are OUT and the big boys (or women) come in, we’re doomed.

    I understand Bernie Sanders thinks this country would be even better another 18 trillion in debt…that’d be 36 trillion, but he apparently made a HUGE HIT on Colbert last night….they loved him. And, as the article ssays “MUCH better than the Conservatives or Hillary..” Oh, yes…we have a mighty media brain washing……….. And who wouldn’t be a hit promising another 18 trill of goodies, right?

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  23. Baysider says:

    The Jews celebrate a lot of feasts, not just Passover. Maybe there’s less talking at the others. 🙂 (Isn’t that something? What a wonderful tradition – ONE time of atonement, and many occasions to remember joy and celebrate the Lord’s goodness.)

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  24. Imp says:

    @Z…..”after which invitations STOPPED, I swear…”

    That’s true. After we bought our first Mercedes, my father-in-law wouldn’t ride in it.

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  25. geeez2014 says:

    Ya, Imp;; I’ve had Jewish friends who say they’d never buy a Mercedes…but I have plenty who only drive a Mercedes, too! Others say they could never go to Germany. I can understand that; I’m not hot on visiting Turkey, to tell you the truth.

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  26. Kid says:

    Well off we go…
    Like the war on poverty, the longer it goes on the more poor we have.
    The war on drugs is a parallel. The longer it goes on the more addicts we have.
    I believe the US government brought drugs in en mass to deal with the college and black rioting in the 60’s. I believe after they found out how lucrative drugs could be for them, the ramped it up. I believe the CIA (or some gov entity) is responsible for most of the drugs coming in, especially cocaine, and herion, where when they bust someone here and there and confiscate their property they smile all the way to the bank.

    MJ is being legalized because it is costing law enforcement more to deal with it than they get out if it. There aren’t many MJ dealers with Ferrari’s to confiscate.

    Outside of that, No one can save everyone. That’s just the way it is. If people die from doing drugs, then Oh well. People are going to die from an amazingly wide array of things from staring at their phone for 30 seconds at a time while [not] piloting their 3000 lb vehicle down the freeway to bum rushing armed men/police with their bare hands. We can’t save them all. We can put things in place to try to reduce it on an pre-emerging basis, but once someone commits to a suicidal path, there isn’t much of anything we can do.

    I believe all drugs should be legal and given to most people so as to reduce/eliminate the associated crime. People pre-disposed to doign drugs are pretty much going to do them. Take 10% of the massive amount of money we spend on the ‘war on drugs’ and put it into p[re-emptive programs. Take kids on field trips to drug dens and laugh at the addicts. Like taking them to the prison ala scared straight. We’d save a hell of a lot of money. But we won’t becuase drug crime is too luctrative for the cops.

    @Cube. Lol…

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  27. Baysider says:

    Sorry, this is too important to NOT flag – it could save a life. You KNOW I think first and foremost “Jesus is the answer.” If your life and soul are vacant you are open to being seduced by a drug/experience. I am a STRONG behaviorist – yes, no one “forces it down your throat.” That’s why I said once you take that step, if biochemistry is compromised you are not going to get fixed. Or you’ll be in torture trying.

    I’m concerned if anyone reading loves someone that is willing and trying, who’s had chemical detox, heavy metal detox, medical screening, nutrition, counseling, family counseling, group support programs, musculoskeletal work, cranial work, allergy treatments, exercise, sleep evaluation and all that stuff — and struggles more with addiction than would seem appropriate for their attitude and treatments. At this point biochemistry / the neurotransmission system (whether compromised before the addiction or by the addiction) may be THE major, rate-limiting factor left in healing that prior efforts have only grazed. I’ve seen it ignored or swatted away with a pass at ‘nutrition’ that never even gets as far as healing the gut wherefrom come so many neurotransmitters. See Scientific American

    Fortunately it’s becoming more broadly understood, because this is not a do-it-yourself project or an advice-over-the-internet project. But it is a realistic hope when part of a professionally directed effort, one unknown or ignored for years, and far too important to NOT flag.

    Mr. B concurs about the Mercedes. He said few Jews in his hometown would touch one. I can understand that in 1950, but not so much invites to seders in 2000. My mother would not touch a Toyota. Although I’ve told Mr. B, who is HOT to see the Hagia Sofia, that I am not setting foot in any Islamic country, even Turkey.

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  28. Kid says:

    Bay, No question you’re correct about the genetic aspect of why some people go all the way with drugs and why some can just leve them in the gutter. But, what to do about it?

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  29. geeez2014 says:

    I’m thinking that if someone hasn’t tried drugs, their body doesn’t know it likes them, but I’m no expert, nor do I want to be. I think once someone’s tried a drug and feels ‘better’, I totally understand that they’d want to feel that ‘better’ again and again…..into addiction.

    We all know many Jews with Mercedes, don’t we….but many won’t touch them, that’s for sure.

    Kid, there’s no answer on what to do… I know a lot of folks think drugs should be legalized; I look at that and ask what kind of country makes that legal? And what message does it send to kids. It’s sure not going very well in Colorado now that it’s legal, from what we read and hear.

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  30. bocopro says:

    After 30 years of smoking cigarettes and cigars, I quit one day. Ran out of smokes and just said, what benefit am I getting from something that costs so much money?

    So . . . I just didn’t smoke any more. Friends, family, acquaintances all said, “What a magnificent example of pure will power!” and heaped all kinds of praise on me for my herculean feat.

    But I just don’t see it that way. Look, if you line up a hundred randomly selected normal persons who are not addicted to smoking and have them smoke regularly for, say, 6 months or so, some of them will become chemically and psychologically addicted. Some might not and can quit, and some are hooked until Judgment Day.

    Out of that hundred, one is the most addictable and another is the least addictable. Just doesn’t make sense that each and every one would become dependent on the drug or fixed in the habit to the same degree. Not logical.

    So I figure I was way down at the bottom of the list in terms of non-addictability, and that quitting wasn’t particularly difficult for me whereas it might be impossible for someone near the top of that list.

    Also noticed that when we put to sea for a lengthy deployment after being in port for several months where guys could get all the beer and booze they wanted, some went through a kind of withdrawal during the first few days. Got over it, though. Ditto for Pepsi, Coke, and other high-caffeine drinks that we ran out of during the first week or so underway. Some guys turned into nervous wrecks. I wrote it off as pretty much normal, mostly just in their heads, and told my guys to just get a cuppa joe from the mess decks and straighten up.

    Most had very little problem weaning themselves from the indulgences of life ashore and settled down after a coupla days, but a few took longer.

    My daughters tell me that I do not have an addictive personality, but I’ve always been a bit leery of some of the harsher stuff, the nose candy and psychoactive and narcos, afraid that a single trip might lead me to someplace I could find my way back from. So I never even tried Mary Hoona, although lotsa guys were doin it back in the 60s and 70s. Lot of ’em took little white or red pills, too, when they needed an energy boost after a weekend bender or wanted to come down from a long stressful assignment.

    Quit tobacco cold, but I could be that poor schlub who rides the horse one single time into that desert and is never seen again. Ya never know. But a long time ago I thought it over and decided that I kinda liked me the way I was, with a clear head, a satisfying career ahead of me, and a family who depended on me. So I kept on keepin on with what clearly worked for me, and white powders weren’t in the recipe.

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  31. Kid says:

    Z, we had the same discussions over prohibition. Perfection is impossible.

    Removing the disgusting, evil, heinous criminal activity is step one.

    There will be prople doing drugs whether legal or not. The question is whether we want the crime or not.

    Speaking of which. They can’t keep heroin out of the nads of teenagers, but they’ll keep guns out of the hands of criminnals? You have to be criminally insane to believe that one.

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  32. Legalize=Advertisement.
    Advertisement=promotion.
    Does that sound like a good idea to anyone here?

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  33. geeez2014 says:

    bocopro…I can imagine how soldiers missed SO much of their normal lives, etc….and had to do without. Good that you stopped smoking like that. …

    Kid, yes, it is criminally insane to believe that…libtards, as you know. We don’t want the crime but we don’t want kids thinking it’s okay, either…. it’s a very tough question.
    We didn’t have to worry years ago, only the oddballs did drugs…….today, it’s bad. That’s why I asked the question “WHY?”

    I think having no hopeful future is a big reason……bad friends,……..etc….no good reason for addiction, that’s for sure.

    Ya, Ed…we talked about that above….I do believe that it would be advertised and promoted and that’s telling kids “try it! it’s FINE”

    Even pot isn’t what it was when we were young…..I hear it’s much stronger and more of a gateway drug than it was…….

    what a mess our society’s becoming………..

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  34. Kid says:

    Ed, eliminating the crime sounds like a damn good idea to me.

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  35. Kid says:

    May I add that Portugal decriminalized all drugs and drug use went down.

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  36. Kid says:

    In one manner of thought this is like No Child Left Behind, which resulted in actual practice to the be that the smart kids were being left behind becuase they were bored out of their skulls waiting for joe dumbass to be able to divide 10 by 2 and come up with the right answer.

    You can’t save every leaf.

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  37. Kid: Decriminalization is not the same as legalization.
    You said: “I believe all drugs should be legal”
    Z:”Ya, Ed…we talked about that above…”
    I read comments carefully so as not to repeat what someone else has observed.
    I still don’t see a comment that says legalization = advertisement except for your comment about the message it sends to kids. Advertisement sends a message to adults also.

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  38. Kid says:

    Z, (decriminalization) Yes but it puts a vote in my direction 🙂 Alchohol is legal and there is a predictable constant for people who become alchoholics, or otherwise create problems in society because of alcohol.

    I hesitate to go here, but I will… Imagine the dirty nature of drugs that are coming from the Vermin source, passed theourgh vermin dealers. Then imagine the quality of drugs created by government controlled processing regulations. Overtime, drugs could be designed in the lab that would have far reduced addiction rates with little pleasure effect. Antidotes could also be designed for these drugs so that someone says, Dang, I lost another job, Cure me and Voila. Yea, pie in the sky I know.

    Main point still is the crime. I don’t want to see another 70+ year old woman walking back form the grocery store to her high rise senior apartment get mugged by some drug addicted punks. I’d much rather see the drug addicted punks lying in the gutter dead as doornails and leave the older ladies alone.

    Obviously, I’m not interested in saving everyone. Mainly because that is impossible and presonally, I’d rather see the defective ones go sooner rather than later.

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  39. Kid says:

    little change to pleasure effect.

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  40. Kid says:

    Gay marriage is legal. I”m not interested.
    MJ is legal in places. I’m not interested.
    Honestly, most drugs are essentially legal in most places (obama was a coke dealer and it seems most people in the ‘arts’ do coke, and they’re not getting arrested, so consider it legal) and I’m not interested.
    So many things are ‘legal’ that I’m not interested in.
    I maintain to my grave, that regardless legal or not, some people are going to do drugs. We have a moral obligation to eliminate the massive amount of associated crime and then deal with the people who may need help with their lives because of drugs.
    I’m done.

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  41. geeez2014 says:

    Thanks, Ed…OK.. adults, too.

    Kid….thanks….I totally see your points but I think crazy addicts might sign up for legal drugs but….imagine the government manufacturing DRUGS? That seems like such a freakin’ LOW for our country….and, trust me, I didn’t think we could go much lower than we are now.
    You make excellent arguments; maybe I just have to wrap my brain around this idea for a while.

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  42. Kid says:

    1. Z, Thank you and anyone for their consideration.
    2. Never happen in a million years.

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  43. Bob says:

    I read Z’s article and wanted to check the numbers. Things get confusing. It is not always easy to spot the correct number, but I have know that more than 100,000 people die from accidents every year, and I didn’t know that overdose deaths were more than that.

    The links below give a sense of the problem.

    From the Guardian: http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

    From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

    From the NIH: http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

    Any way you want to look at there are a lot of dead people caused by all drug overdoses.

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  44. Kid, Just so we’re clear, I get your point. We’re still buds.

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  45. Kid says:

    Ed, No Problem. These are subjects where sane intelligent people can line up on all sorts of angles to them. Absolutely not a thing. Buds, Yes.

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  46. geeez2014 says:

    Bob, imagine heroin overdose deaths doubling in just TWO YEARS?
    The source comparing traffic accidents is pretty credible, tho the stat sounds nuts… and I appreciate your links, too.

    If we threw heroin and meth into one stat, imagine that number?

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  47. alec says:

    I’ve read all the posts here, and have little to add.
    Like some of you, someone very close to me died from heroin. Once she tried it, she could never beat it. The pain she inflicted on herself and on everyone who loved her (she was a brilliant, social and wonderful human being) was another evidence of the fallen state of our world.

    * Methadone is not a cure. It’s a get-rich-quick scheme for agencies who are sucking from the federal (and state) governments.
    * The legal system with mandated sentencing sends loads of non-violent people into the criminal “justice” system. Private prisons make big bucks from every person incarcerated.
    * Those with felony convictions have a difficult time getting a real job even with excellent references. Because of this woman’s criminal drug record, the only companies that hired her (this was in the DC area) abused her and those like her terribly. They would delay paying her (causing her to not be able to afford food or pay her rent on time), change her hours with little or no notice, etc. These are well-known regional and national companies.
    Eventually she messed up and lost her housing for the last time. Within a few weeks she was dead. She had been clean for more than a year. Even the judge who convicted her came to her funeral. He had thought she was the exception who was going to make it. (Did I say she was an impressive human being?)
    Heroin is here because it makes huge amounts of money for black ops. (Read Gary Webb). Heroin makes huge amounts of money for HSBC and other international finance operations. It makes huge amounts of money for criminal gangs. Heroin gives federal agencies an enemy to fight.

    I guess I did have a lot to say. The most important thing has already been said, though. Christ is the only real answer.

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  48. alec says:

    Slight mistake: Gary Webb’s book is about crack cocaine. The source re: heroin is The great heroin coup: Drugs, intelligence and international fascism by Henrik Kruger, 1980.

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