Denier!? Get real

climate change

Well, my goodness;  yet another illustrious scientist saying Obama’s taken the wrong side on climate change, though he’s an Obama supporter and a Democrat.   There were about 32,000 scientists in 2009 who came out against what they called the climate change hoax, whatever happened to them and their proclamation?   Others have come out over the last few years, too.   They just disappear somehow…it doesn’t fit the agenda, so it’s gone?

Then there are sweet little stories like this about people getting paid (by US) to perpetrate the fraud. (Surprise!)

I think that, were the world going to end soon due to climate change, I’d be hysterical, wouldn’t you?  But there are few signs of that happening, and we all know that there are much, much more critical things like nuclear bombs, terrorism, etc., which are pretty much part of our present and our future, sadly, and really could be the end of life as we know it.

SO, what do you think should be done about people, including our president and his advisers, who keep insisting that we need to pretty much destroy our economy to fix climate change. As someone said the other night on television (I paraphrase) “isn’t it kind of crazy to treat China and India with kid gloves on this subject and treat our businesses terribly, closing many of them under the weight of heavy restrictions, all for this possible climate change fear?  How can we fix it here when we get pollution from all over the world?”

Here’s what happens;  we Conservatives listen to both sides and most of us have decided that while we love trees, clean air, the ocean and rivers, our health, etc., and we want to make sure we do have a clean place to live, why not take it easy and get all experts together and figure it out?   What do you want to bet another Executive Order will be issued that practically closes down our businesses across this country?

How do we fight this stuff?   What do you think should be done?

Z

 

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37 Responses to Denier!? Get real

  1. “Sir, we concur with the 97 percent scientific consensus with regards to global warming,”. That’s the mantra
    Obviously Freeman Dyson is in the wrong 3% of scientists concerning whatever the scam is called today. The name (global warming, climate change, anthropomorphic weather blah blah
    blah) itself is a shell game (“Nope, that’s not what were calling it today! Guess again.”).

    Then again the 97% is not 97% of all scientists, just of the small minority that were surveyed and on the payroll.

    How do we fight it? Keep finding the facts, quote the facts, disseminate the facts in e-mails and on social media, news website comments, letters to the editor, financial support to those organizations combating the lies…
    Social media is the public square soapbox, today.

  2. bocopro says:

    I’m torn between public pillories and pulling their tongues out and nailing them to their foreheads.

    The Kenyan-in-Chief is a petulant narcissist of the first order, a popinjay who is spectacularly naive on foreign policy, a jackanapes who despises white culture and believes that all the world’s friction will disappear when the US deteriorates into just another 3rd world socialist debtor nation where only black lives matter and Latinos vote Democrat.

    His primary approach to “leadership” is to make a speech, his secondary approach is to shift blame to someone else, and his favorite activity is fundraising.

    Hamlet and Horatio absolutely nailed his personality 400 years ago while speaking of Osric, the presumptuous posturing fop:

    HORATIO
    This lapwing runs away with the shell on his head.

    HAMLET
    He did comply, sir, with his dug before he sucked it. Thus has he—and many more of the same bevy that I know the drossy age dotes on—only got the tune of the time and outward habit of encounter, a kind of yeasty collection, which carries them through and through the most fond and winnowed opinions; and do but blow them to their trial, the bubbles are out.

    Horatio is saying that Osric reminds him of a bird known for its shrill, annoying calls, and that this particular one is only half-hatched.

    Hamlet is saying that he’s so politically correct that he praised his mother’s nipple before sucking on it and is exemplary of the superficial and faddish wannabes of the deteriorating times. He’s strung together worthless phrases and other people’s opinions to make himself sound important, but if you blow a little fresh air on his bubbly talk, the bubbles will pop because there’s no substance in them.

    How do we fight it? Soetoro is monumentally ignorant on every major issue except campaigning, fundraising, and racebaiting. He needs to be horsewhipped, skinned, detongued, strapped to an Atlas rocket, and ejected from the solar system before he finds out what comes after “trillion.”

  3. Bob says:

    Z said: “we Conservatives listen to both sides and most of us have decided that while we love trees, clean air, the ocean and rivers, our health, etc., and we want to make sure we do have a clean place to live, why not take it easy and get all experts together and figure it out? ”

    1. The whole kerfuffle is about carbon dioxide (CO2) which the EPA says is a pollutant. High school biology, and science says that CO2 is plant food, and is necessary for life on this Earth. Have you ever heard of photosynthesis? Our very oxygen we breathe comes from plant processed CO2. So, it is not only misleading to say that we are polluting the world with CO2, it is a LIE.

    2. There has not been any appreciable increase in the global temperature average for the last EIGHTEEN YEARS. This is not theory, it is actual satellite measured temperatures.

    3. There is no reputable study that shows that 97% of scientists agree on anything. The studies that purport to show this have been debunked in peer reviewed literature. Yes, the Obama administration quoted a joke of a study, and then quoted it incorrectly. Idiots? No, they are malicious. They know exactly what they are doing. Theyt are trying to kill our carbon based economy because they don’t like so-called fossil fuels. By the way, even a coal fired generating plant does not pollute hardly any at all. Those pictures you see of smoke coming out of the chimneys were taken in the winter, and what you are seeing is water vapor. Sneaky, aren’t they?

    4. The term “climate change” is basically a marketing term. It started out as global warming, but as it became apparent that the world was not getting warmer, they changed the description to climate change. The climate changes all the time, and has been for billions of years, so the term climate change is not only non-descriptive, but has been coopted to mean anything people want it to mean.

    5. Please be careful by asking for experts to settle anything. Experts have a bad reputation, statistically, for not being better than anyone else. Take, for example, money managers. Mutual fund managers rarely do better than the stock market averages. In the medical world there is a problem that the medical industry kills over 100,000 people every year that would have otherwise lived, and that’s a conservative number. Most people think of MD’s as experts.

    There is no such scientific discipline as a climate scientist. A climate scientist can be an atmospheric scientist, oceanographer, meteorologist, or any one of a dozen other scientific disciplines. That so-called 97% usually includes psychologists and other social science practitioners, too. It is usually psychologists that do those goofy 97% studies, and some of those cannot seem to get their arithmetic or methodology straight.

    Science is about the data. Period. And the fact is that the projections of higher temperatures are highly exaggerated by the climate industry computer models, and do not match the real world temperature measurements. The model outputs cannot be validated, and if they cannot be validated by real world data, they are not scientific.

    Wow! Hope you have a good day, too.

  4. Kid says:

    What everyone else said, plus the more data that comes out against global warming the more the nuts believe in it and scream about it. Honestly it’s like dealing with retarded 3 yr olds.

    IN the same week months ago I saw two articles. One said Greenhouse gas at highest levels ever and the next showed that the Earth has been cooling the last 16 years. Doesn’t even put a dent in the believer idiots.

    As far as what to do about it, I like Boco’s idea and would even help pay for the rocket fuel.

    Just for fun, without looking – guess what percent of the atmosphere is CO2…..

    4 to 6 Tenths of 1 % depending on who you believe, or possibly where it’s being measured.

    And like Bob said, there is no such thing as climate science. If they can’t forecast what it’s going to be tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, why would we believe a prediction that started at 20 years with al gore’s idiot movie and has now been pushed out to 100 years. Yea how convenient.

    One day people(morons) will be taught that higher taxes, the destruction of capitalism and the enslavement of the human race was what finally killed the climate change monster. The truth will never be advertised.

  5. Mal says:

    Your questions “How do we fight this stuff? What do you think should be done?” The ONLY thing that would work is to get rid of Obama (but I repeat myself). This kind of stuff will continue till O’s term of office is over. If we don’t, it will just continue so get use to it ’cause the members of Congress have proven they are incapable of doing their jobs.

  6. Imp says:

    @Kid…yup…the oceans are definitely rising. Why I can see it right here in my Atlantic Ocean. Years ago I used to see this formation called “Jap” rock…poking out of the water from about 100 feet out , right up to the beach. Now I think it’s missing about 2 inches that I used to see 20 years ago. I guess it’s time for us to put our house up on pilings of 20 feet up, like they did after Hugo on Foley Island? Or could it be all the beach replenishment on the shore that’s causes the waster to rise…now that it has a newer bottom?

  7. Imp says:

    *water…damn.

  8. My comment is certainly in some estimable company.

  9. Kid says:

    @IMP – So you feel the Atlantic is 2 inches higher? Time of day vs Tide position and all?

  10. Bob says:

    Imp sayeth: “@Kid…yup…the oceans are definitely rising. ”

    Yep. The sea levels seem to be rising, but I don’t think anybody will get rich selling galoshes to the potentially knee deep New York City, or Miami, Florida folks in the next several hundred years. According to satellite readings (along with tide guages), the average sea level rise over the last century or so is somewhere around 1.8 millimeters per year. Measurment by satellites has an instrument error of +- 4 to 6 mm.

    Even if the sea levels would inundate Bangladesh in the next century (and they probably will not), the alarmists are assuming the “stupid people” scenario. Nobody is stupid enough to let the sea levels rise over a period of a hundred years and stand around with with water up their ying-yangs. They will move long before any sea level rise becomes dangerous.

    As to some if the islands at risk, the sea levels have been rising steadily ever since the last ice age, and those islands are still there. One of the problems they experience is land subsidence caused by improper land usage, and pumping of groundwater for drinking and irrigation. By the way, the Maldives in the Indian Ocean have NOT been going under water. Those guys are just after some Yankee money.

    By the way, if all the Arctic Ocean ice were to melt at one time, there would be very little effect on sea levels. That is because all the Arctic Ocean ice is already floating in the Arctic Ocean like a big ice cube, and by melting, like an ice cube in a glass of water, will not cause any sea level rise.

    Pretty much the same thing exists in the Antarctic. However, the Antarctic ice extent has been increasing for the last several decades. The ice shelves are already in the water, so if they all break off there would be only a nominal effect on global sea levels. The really big changes would happen only if the ice on land would all melt. That would take about a thousand years or more.

  11. But islands like Guam will just float higher in the water, right?

  12. Mal says:

    Bob, wouldn’t the water rise if the melting ice is presently on LAND, not floating?

  13. Bob says:

    ED: On, no! We have to be careful about Guam. If we put more people or airplanes on that island, the whole thing could capsize.

    Here’s one of our village idiots from Georgia.

  14. Kid says:

    As a relative point of interest, once when taking a Jeep tour in Sedona, AZ, our driver was a geology professor at Northern Arizona Univ. He related to us that the Sedona area had been under the ocean 13 different times in Earth’s recognizable history. Given that Sedona is 4500 ft above sea level, either it was much lower in those times, or aliens have been coming here stealing our water.

    I’m sure if we had a excess water problem, they’d just come and get some more, so nothing to worry about regardless. This is what Hank Johnson’s office relayed to me when I contacted him about this issue. Not the Sedona part, just the alien part.

  15. Bob says:

    Mal: Yes. It is primarily the ice on land, i.e., locked up in glaciers and land based ice sheets that could be a problem. The science is not precise, and the estimates are all over the map. Most of the ice of concern is in the Greenland Ice Sheet, and the Antarctic Ice Sheet. It is my impression that the dynamics are different for each.

    Peer reviewed studies show that the Greenland ice has been down to where is it now, maybe even lower, during the Medieval Warm Period. There are a few studies, since debunked, that tried to show that the current warming is unprecedented. In the earth’s recent history there have been several warm periods that were warmer. A thousand years ago was the Medieval Warm Period. Before that was the Roman Warm Period, and before that was the Minoan Warm Period. Scientists have known about these periods for a long time due to ice core records; lake sediment records; ocean floor sediment records; and other paleo proxy records. The Hockey Stick papers were poster children for misleading math and inappropriate data use.

    If all that ice were to melt ( and it could) it would have to happen much more quickly than forecast to be a danger. It would take centuries, and maybe millenia.

  16. Bob says:

    Kid: Jeeps in Sedona, and flatbed trucks in Winslow. What a life!

    I guess that most of the land we are on was once beneath some water. Maybe continental drift caused Sedona to be 4500 feet above sea level. The story of the Himalayas is that the Indian subcontinent is moving north, and is colliding with and pushing the Asian land mass upward.

    It might be because of those darned Arizona Sun Devils.

  17. geeez2014 says:

    Bob…Winslow, Arizona ‘Such a fine sight to see..’ Good catch!

    I believe all of you know far more than the experts on this situation and am so glad I asked.

    By the way, if land is eventually disappearing, Bob was right “They will move long before any sea level rise becomes dangerous.” It’s just a natural thing over years and years……

    I must say I’d have grave doubts about living near a river in TX or N. Carolina these days after the torrential rains ruined so many houses, however! I’d move NOW.

    Kid, Imp, Bob, Mal, Bocopro, Ed….thanks for all the input (Ed, your Guam statement makes sense to ME!!!! :-))

    thanks!

  18. Kid says:

    I know the Vikings tried to settle in a green mostly or totally ice free Greenland, and not that long ago. hundreds of years… The returning ice drove them out, but they were there for a while. I’d have to look it up to get numbers, but probably not a large deal.

    fwiw

  19. Kid says:

    Bob, I’d say you have a good theory there.

  20. lisa says:

    I have to think that conservatives are more enviromentally conscious since they are mostly the farmers,fishermen,ranchers and hunters plus I can picture a democrat voter throwing trash out a car window or being too lazy to seperate their recyclables
    Anyway the climate in the east is typical crisp fall weather and very mild.
    My mother told me when my sister was born Sep 28 it was in the 90’s for a week,that was 62 years ago

  21. Kid says:

    Z, and whoever said it, but the idea that “people will adjust” is the money quote here. IF it happens, it will take a length of time that people will be able to move to areas and even profit from it. Ocean front property 100 miles inland bought for pennies on the dollar by folks with a little insight.

  22. Kid says:

    Lisa, I know someone who was born Sept 28. A Libra. I’ll bet she’s a pleasure to be around.

  23. Imp says:

    @Bay..”By the way, if all the Arctic Ocean ice were to melt at one time……”

    Bingo…LMAO too….basic…basic elementary middle school science. However…my glass remains only half empty…not matter how may times I refill it.

  24. Imp says:

    @Kid…”He related to us that the Sedona area had been under the ocean 13 different times in Earth’s recognizable history….”

    And ….look at the Grand Canton too for more proof. Whet the hell do they think carved them out like we see them today? Aliens again?

  25. Kid says:

    IMP, hank says Aliens.

    I think we have reason to doubt though.

  26. Imp says:

    @KId….I thought so…But a believer too.

  27. Kid says:

    IMP, fwiw, my former Pentacostal Pastor Father in law says that God put his finger down and carved the Grand Canyon. I say God used nature to carve the Grand Canyon. This probably easily illustrates my leanings. I do believe in God. I jsut belive God uses all of the forces available in the univers to make things or even just watch things happen. God is everywhere. God is everything. God is in all of us. So is nature. Is God hiding in plain sight ?

  28. Imp says:

    @Kid…”So you feel the Atlantic is 2 inches higher?”

    Hmmmm…since it wasn’t that long ago…could it have been the lunar eclipse or the super moon? I’ll have to go check again with my ruler and snorkel.

  29. Imp says:

    @Kid…well…I’d assume he’s hiding in the Middle East…or is He? What’s in His plans there?

  30. Kid says:

    He’s everywhere IMP. HE’s watching to see how we hanlde this threat of Evil vs Good. Beyond that I have no inside information.

  31. geeez2014 says:

    “Beyond that I have no inside information”. 🙂

  32. lisa says:

    She is very interesting and smart kid,just like you. 😉

  33. Kid says:

    Lisa, Thank you So Much….Whatever it is, is a gift from God. I take no credit nor do I give the primordial ooze any cresit..

    If she is also a Dragon on the Chinese (13 year) astrological calendar, she should be aware of that and using these powers to her advantage. (Yea, I’m a dragon) She will have exceptionally good health. Chack the web for other aspects. They are all true by my experience for Libra and Dragon.
    The 13 year calendar would be 1952, 1965, 1978, 1991, 2014.

  34. Baysider says:

    I fight one person at a time. This horrifically hot, humid summer has been a great conversation opener. A typical comment I get is “well the climate’s changing” – that’s why it’s so hot. These are always from young ‘uns. But that just makes my job easier. I say “not sure that’s it. This is almost as bad as the summer of ’77 (76, 77, 78 – somewhere in there). Back in the days when they were wringing their hands about global cooling. I’m glad they only come once in 40 years!”

    A 30-year old with only the perspective drilled into him by the reality deniers is usually surprised to learn that – after about 10 years of the unusually COOL summers we’ve had – one hot one isn’t a harbinger of this pet theory.

  35. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider, Honestly, this IS the very hottest summer for me in my home here since I moved in around 30 years ago! And definitely the MOST HUMID, hands down.
    BUT…the point is well taken; almost every “amazingly hot this year” story usually has “..the hottest since 1953.” or something like that…….Of course, much of the media leaves that part off OR, and I’ve seen this countless times, they say “This unusual heat year assures us that climate change is a huge worry……it hasn’t been this hot since 1964”.
    I often think to myself “DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF? Do you even GET what you just said?” when I hear that…

  36. Baysider says:

    Oh my gosh, Bob, I just watched your video. I only HEARD this dufus – and then thought he was on drugs or something. This is the first I’ve seen him – it only reinforces my initial impression.

  37. Imp says:

    “Islam..the elephant in the room. A stunning interview with John Rhys-Davies. Trust me…it’s worth the read from a Welshman who loves America too.

    http://tinyurl.com/o8zse67

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