A couple of things for today:

“A great civilization does not destroy itself from without until it destroys itself from within.”  Will Durant

Are we on that trajectory?  

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC (or is it?): I had friends who went to Kansas a few weeks ago for a high school reunion bring me brochures about The Dalton Gang and a few other historical places.  They know I love anything about those days…… What really intrigued me was that a little house that was owned by the Dalton sister and her husband , in Meade, Kansas, had a tunnel built that led to a barn and, therefore, their escape should anything happen while the gang was hiding out there.

Get this:  “The home has been restored and the 95-foot long tunnel reconstructed to make it passable for the average persons.   The stone work on the tunnel, barn and grounds, was created by the NYA and WPA in 1940.”

In other words, there seem not to have been projects more important in the 1940’s than to have our tax dollars spent on the reconstruction of a gang’s hideaway tunnel?   Even being the buff I am, I thought this was a bit weird.

Maybe some things never change, huh?  We sure haven’t learned!


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23 Responses to A couple of things for today:

  1. Ohio said no to pot.
    Houston said no to men in women’s bathrooms.
    There is hope.


  2. bocopro says:

    Yeah, I think we can pretty safely call in the dogs and put out the fire, ’cause this party’s over.

    Wunsaponnatime we were bold, brash, aggressive, straightforward, productive, honest, and trustworthy.

    Now we’re politically correct, sexually ambivalent, risk-averse, timid, wishy-washy, and unemployed.

    We’re more worried about bruising someone delicate sensibilities than protecting our own borders and enforcing our own laws.

    The slow and ignominious demise we are now experiencing does not result from enemy armies but a perverse fear of success at the expense of someone less fortunate and a deep-rooted belief that America is the source of all friction and strife across the globe.

    I remember the date well, exactly 7 years ago today:

    July 4, 1776
    4 November 2008



  3. Kid says:

    Ed, Yea, but they voted for all the tax increases.


  4. bunkerville says:

    Honoring thievery seemed like a good Progressive idea even back in the day apparently.


  5. geeez2014 says:

    bunkerville, isn’t that amazing? Money for a TUNNEL for tourists???

    Kid..sad about the taxes..good about the pot.

    bocopro; that date might be just the one that’s our suicide..yes. Actually, no ‘might’ about it.

    Ed…yes, those are good things!


  6. -FJ says:

    WPA was “make-work” by definition… kinda like “Civil Service” today. 😉


  7. geeez2014 says:

    FJ….apparently! Kind of like today’s “shovel ready”, which never happened, did it. I think they just buried OUR MONEY with that shovel!
    There were good projects by the CCC and probably even by WPA, but THIS? A gangster tunnel?!!!


  8. Mal says:

    Coming from that era, Z, I’m inclined to believe it was just another project to put people back to work. Remember, 1940 was still during the Great Depression and WPA & CCC you mention were simply programs FDR enacted to get the economy rolling. I remember a truck with 4 men stopping to fill one little rut in the asphalt on Florence Ave. in L.A. where we lived. Most just stood around, leaning on their shovels while one guy filled the hole. That was typical of those days. Even Hoover Dam was one of the projects that still rivals anything built since.


  9. Mal says:

    Oh. I might add the bombing of Pearl Harbor the following year is what finally pulled us out of the Depression. Some solution, huh?


  10. John M. Berger says:

    “A great civilization does not destroy itself from without until it destroys itself from within.” Will Durant
    “Are we on that trajectory?”

    It seems to me that we are, indeed, on “that trajectory”. I have a question: Is there any historical record of a “great civilization”, on such “trajectory”, turning itself around before its ultimate demise? Insofar as this Nation is concerned we will know, for sure, in a year. My local election results, from a once conservative county, offer little optimism.


  11. Imp says:

    @ED…and….drum roll….

    ‘Hallelujah!’ San Fran sheriff who gave sanctuary to Kate Steinle killer LOSES election!


  12. Mustang says:

    Your government will spare no expense in spending your money.


  13. Kid says:

    ED, PS – It seems there were a lot of people who didn’t mind the pot so much but objected to the cartel/monopoly for growers that was a mandatory part of it.


  14. Silverfiddle says:

    Great Durant quote. He had a gift for making history and philosophy accessible to ordinary people like me. He and his wife made great contributions to the American canon.


  15. Mustang says:

    Let me add, if you enjoyed the notion of spending public money on a tunnel used by Kansas Democrats, you’ll be absolutely ecstatic about the sums of money being spent on these people.


  16. Baysider says:

    [If you get 2 posts please delete 1. Something happened at first attempt and it disappeared.]

    Yes – to trajectory.
    WPA – mostly all make-work. So many skilled stone masons out of work. At least Timberline Lodge was a worthier effort.

    WW2 was not the end of the Depression. Liberals today (not U Mal) like to carry that fiction forward to support their case for spending themselves silly when people are scared. A few significant policy changes at the end of the war were key. But the spenders still lean on ‘spending’ which is more – as the Bible says – leaning on a broken reed.


  17. Imp says:

    Yup Mustang…..Looks like every country in Africa too. No Israel though?


  18. Bob says:

    Trajectory? Probably. Changeable? I think so. It will take a leader that we don’t see at this point to bring us out of our economic problems.


  19. Mal says:

    Baysider, what I meant by WW ll being the end of the depression is suddenly everyone had a job. No unemployed. Some were afraid after the war, we might return to a depression again, but we didn’t. Quite the contrary. The G.I’s all returned, got married, went to work, new tract homes were being built and offered with zero down on the GI Bill, education, etc. That is what I meant.


  20. geeez2014 says:

    Imp! That’s FABULOUS news about that awful San Francisco Sheriff…..
    Gosh, lots of good news today!! HURRAH!!


  21. geeez2014 says:

    Re WPA, I need to be clearer, I think: Imagine that there weren’t enough really important jobs for WPA money to be spent so they spent money on a GANG’S TUNNEL?

    I’m not against good projects being completed after having put thousands of AMericans to work! I actually hoped Obama would follow through on some of the infrastructure he had “Shovel Ready”…turns out he was not shoveling WORK, he was shoveling….SH…oops


  22. John M. Berger says:

    “WW2 was not the end of the Depression. Liberals today (not U Mal) like to carry that fiction forward ”

    Not, per se, but [we], the USA as the only industrial power, not destroyed during WWII, were able to make and sell to a great portion to the World, things they were doing without. How they paid I don’t, to this day, know but post WWII, when I grew up, saw probably some of the best times, economically, and otherwise that have ever existed.


  23. Mal says:

    “The USA, as the only industrial power, not destroyed during WW ll”, etc…..Exactly, John. You made my point as to why our depression ended.


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