watch the debate?


I made the mistake of watching about 10 non consecutive minutes of the “LINDSAY GRAHAM SHOW” first….gad, what a lowly, creepy little man he is, rolling his eyes, smirking …and CNN’s photogs sure loved capturing it.  There’s Santorum talking and they’ve got the cameras on both of them?  Awful.

Then there was the BIG DEBATE.

could YOU stay awake?

What were your high and low points?


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48 Responses to watch the debate?

  1. Baysider says:

    My high point will be reading what others say here – and not having to suffer through actually watching it. 🙂


  2. I had an exhausting day at work.
    I watched the first hour in that condition, through half closed eyes.
    My big takeaway?
    Trump is insufferable.
    What does his popularity say of our voters?


  3. I took a nap yesterday so that I could watch last night. I had no problem staying awake.

    I watched all of the second round of debates last night — and most of the first one.

    Almost every candidate had moments of strength — and moments showing flaws.

    The big loser last night? Jeb Bush. His facial expressions screamed, “Sour grapes!”

    I’ve decided that Dr. Carson would not make a good Commander-In-Chief.

    I’m on the fence as to whether or not Carly Fiorina would make a good Commander-In-Chief.


  4. Last night there was an exchange between Bush and Trump. And the audience loudly applauded Bush’s attack on Trump for being out of control. Then Trump spoke and gave out his high ambitions and America will be great again and I’m going to build a wall, and the audience supported as loudly as they did for Bush. This tells me that while people think Trump is an idiot, they like what he has to say. This means Trump is not electable but his ideas are.


  5. Ed,
    Trump is insufferable.
    What does his popularity say of our voters?

    That many long-time GOP voters are alienated from the Party because the GOP establishment lost the last two elections by insisting upon running the candidate whose “turn” it was.


  6. Ed,

    I’m not so sure that he’s not electable. Stranger things have happened in politics — particularly during times of upheaval.

    Are his ideas electable? I think so.

    Now, which other candidate is voicing those ideas in a manner not so outlandish?

    Look. People are fed up with policy wonks. The discussions about policy last night didn’t seem to resonate very well, IMO.

    And people are fed up the establishment of both political Parties.


  7. bocopro says:

    I’m not sure debate is a key criterion for identifying leadership, so I don’t pay any attention to public displays of rehearsed one-liners on issues the candidates came up to speed on just before and just because of the “debate.”

    Besides, it’s far too early in the process to consider anyone a “front runner.” I can’t remember who was leading at this point in the races back in 08, and I bet nearly everyone else would have to look it up too. But it sure wasn’t McCain, and it damned sure wasn’t Soetoro, the two who emerged from the dust cloud.

    One of the qualities I look for in a leader is that rare ability to cut through the chaff, extract the kernel, and distill the essence down to something that everybody from taxi driver to philosophy professor can understand. He doesn’t have to know all there is to know about everything, but he MUST know how to hire researchers and advisors who can find out for him.

    I’d rather wait for somebody to come along who’s watched the whole process and listened to all the discussion and hasn’t shot himself in the foot yet with premature bloviation designed to give people what he thinks they want to hear . . . and I’m not convinced that that’s not what’s gonna happen.

    I still think Trump will eventually implode and get blown away by a vortex of bombast and hubris of his own making. In the meantime, tho, that tornado is blowing away some of the cobwebs and handcuffs of politics along with the façade of socialism and political correctness, infusing the room with some fresh air.

    Most of what gets said in these “debates” is misprepresented, misapplied, overblown, overgeneralized, unrealistic and unaffordable balderdash designed to do little more than cover up previous foxpaws and outclever someone else’s cause celebre or crisis du jour.

    I’m sure I’ll see all the highlights today . . . IF the TV ever gets turned on, and that’s about as iffy as Soetoro exiting the White House willingly and with dignity.


  8. I agree with Bocopro.
    And I think it was Huckabee who took Iowa.
    Silverfiddle posted a good analysis of the benefit of Trunp today.
    AOW, I’m only calling it like I see it, not advocating.
    It may just come down to whether the country rejects Hillary, so we don’t have to pay attention to electability, but fight for the candidate we want.


  9. Ed,
    You beat me to recommending Silverfiddle’s excellent analysis.


  10. Ed,
    By all means, call ’em like you see ’em. So will I.


  11. John M. Berger says:

    While [any] of the contenders would be better than the Hildabeast, I’ll nominate Christie as MOST IMPROVED. It’s little wonder that Graham’s numbers are where they are. Cruz seems to be the one to watch but I can’t pick a favorite, that is until it becomes clearer, if ever, that he/she can beat the Hildabeast.


  12. John,
    I’ll nominate Christie as MOST IMPROVED.



  13. Lisa says:

    I agree with Ed. Huckabee to me is always impressive. He brings a certain ‘calmness’ ,certainty and competence IMO. I even thought Santorum did well.
    Too many to say right now but I was impressed with all of them. It think they all have a lot to offer,that’s the problem. Of course the left wing media will be out turning it all negative.
    As far as who stood out Christie, Fiorna ,Cruz ,Huckabee, Rubio.
    I guess Carson will be out. He should have run for senate. I really had high hopes for him.
    Either way I trust any of them over Hillary 100 per cent.
    I like what Cruz quoted from FDR’s grandfather “All horse thieves are democrats but not all democrats are horse thieves”
    Funny how the democrat debate will be on the Saturday before Christmas,the least watched night of TV.


  14. Silverfiddle says:

    I didn’t watch the debate. Trump is the bludgeon with which angry conservatives bludgeon the GOP Establishment. Could he ride it all the way? Who knows…

    While appreciating how Trump has brought issues to the fore, I don’t like him and I don’t trust him. I still harbor the dark paranoia that he is trolling for Hillary and this will end with a Trump third-party run that elects Hillary.

    There are people out there who are a natural GOP constituency but who are willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces. Statistical analysis supposedly showed how working class people in the midwest refused to vote for the distasteful Romney and just stayed home, throwing the election to Obama.

    That same crowd could stubbornly refuse to support anyone but Trump.

    Thanks for the kind words about my blog post, but it was really just restating what the brilliant David French said.

    Say what you want about Trump, but he has smashed up the progressive PC crockery.


  15. Mustang says:
    I watched both debates. I do not think that Lindsay Graham, George Pataki, Rick Santorum, or Mike Huckleberry have much of a chance for a serious run at the presidency. Some of what these men had to say is worth considering, however, much more of the discussion was silly. As we listen to these men bantering back and forth, we as voters have to keep reminding ourselves that the devil is in the details.

    The second debate was instructive from the standpoint of policy development. I’ve felt that Trump was a little deficient on specifics. We all want to see “America great again,” but Trump never gets around to telling us how he intends to do that. I went to the Trump Policy website where I learned that Trump has no clue. The spending he suggests to make various things “great again” on top of Obama’s $18 Trillion of debt is incredulous.

    If Jeb Bush accomplished one thing last night, it was to convince everyone that he’s still wearing short pants. I agree that Christie is much improved; I wonder if it will be enough to get him onto the stage next year. What I think distinguishes Rubio from Cruz is that the former takes a reasonable and prudent view of reality, while Cruz relies on bluster to convince people who like him anyway that they’ve made the right choice. I don’t trust Cruz … and while I believe Rubio is far from perfect, I think he is more honest and trustworthy. Finally, Fiorina had some good things to say, but she came off as one of the B words she mentioned during her introduction. The effect of this is that it failed to move her forward. All of this is my opinion, of course … which means absolutely nothing.


  16. Silverlady says:

    Trolled the channels more than once, never found Chicken Noodle News. But I knew it would be all over Fox today. I don’t like debates, as time allotted is argument is too short. I’d rather see panel discussions like Buckley used to do in the Dark Ages of t.v. Saw a profile shot of Blitz on, & he needs a throat lift, BADLY!

    We’ve had one preacher wannabe in the Peanut Man, & I don’t want another. I want someone tough as a boot, not afraid to state the truth with sweetening it up for the sissies, who will listen to the professionals, aka Generals, who know what the real war is about, & will take it on, & the C. in Ch. will not fire them when they tell him what he doesn’t want to hear. I want a President who will not hire people of the lowest common denominator, or the ‘yes’ men/women who will be bootlickers. And I want one who will be available when needed, without a two-legged, string-pulling, 2-headed Cerberus puppet master blocking the way. I want a Pres. who will honor our Constitution, the document that made this country great, & not go where he has no right or power legally to do. I want the proper powers that belong to Congress, and to the States respected, not trampled on by the mis-use or threat of a pen & a phone. I want one who will not kowtow to foreign powers or leaders., apologize for this great nation, or embarrass us abroad or here.

    Now I’ll go quietly.


  17. Mal says:

    We watched both in their entirety and feel more and more comfortable with Christie, believe it or not. Initially, I didn’t care for him, but as time progresses and I hear more from him, I’ve come to think he can and would relate to the majority of Americans and beat Hillary. Carly for V.P. would be a smart move by whoever gets the nod, enabling her to capture the women voters and open the door to the WH for her the next time. Cruz and Rubio going at one another turned us off on them both. Its sad they do that, in my opinion. But like most, I will take ANY of them over the alternatives!


  18. John M. Berger says:

    “Cruz and Rubio going at one another turned us off”
    Yeah, me too!


  19. geeez2014 says: say “If Jeb Bush accomplished one thing last night, it was to convince everyone that he’s still wearing short pants. I agree that Christie is much improved; I wonder if it will be enough to get him onto the stage next year. What I think distinguishes Rubio from Cruz is that the former takes a reasonable and prudent view of reality, while Cruz relies on bluster to convince people who like him anyway that they’ve made the right choice. I don’t trust Cruz … and while I believe Rubio is far from perfect, I think he is more honest and trustworthy. Finally, Fiorina had some good things to say, but she came off as one of the B words she mentioned during her introduction. The effect of this is that it failed to move her forward. All of this is my opinion, of course … which means absolutely nothing.”

    I couldn’t agree more and think you said it well…EXCEPT I think that Bush is less ‘short pants’ and more ‘too legitimately kind and nice’…..I really do. I don’t think he’s a typical politician though I know almost everyone on my blog and others thinks he’s ALL GOP HACK. I don’t. I think he’s a truly nice man (ask Imp, he knows him and Bush used to take the time to email him personally, someone he barely knows)…. It shows in his demeanor and his surprise at the very unkind things thrown at him.

    Fiorina finished herself for me, sadly. Carson’s GONE, but what a good man, as Trump surprisingly said. (easy to be magnanimous when you’re ahead, of course)..
    RUBIO IS IT. I wish I disagreed with you on Cruz, but I get the same feeling. I think he’s too smart for his own britches. Or something 🙂
    By the way…what was WITH Lindsay Graham? What a WEASEL…a TOTAL WEASEL, rolling his eyes, smirking…and the cameras LOVED IT…Santorum’s speaking and they have them both on screen…showing ridiculous Graham’s puny stature and miserable personality. YUCK

    John and Mal…Cruz and Rubio going after each other was so enlightening I couldn’t be turned off….I liked it.

    Silverlady, I think we ALL want a Constitutionalist.

    Christie was definetely MOST IMPROVED…but I don’t trust him for some reasin.


  20. geeez2014 says:

    Ed….”Trump is insufferable. What does his popularity say of our voters?”

    I agree. I just got an email from German friends who sent a really scathing article on Trump, thinking I’d totally agree, which I mostly do. BUT, it always ticks me off a little when foreigners think they really know what’s going on from one article…so it got my hackles up (not a pretty sight!)…Anyway; (by the way, what IS a hackle?)..
    ANYWAY:!!!…..I wrote back that what was even worse than Trump was the FACT that most Americans, including some Democrats, are mad enough at what’s going on with Obama that they’d be taken IN by Trump.

    AOW, I am not sure Trump isn’t electable, either…I think even some Dems will think “it’s so bad NOW under a liberal, let’s go the whole way and see what happens”….Let’s face it, Trump is definitely OUT THERE!

    I disagree about Bush…I think he’s so nice that the look on his face was more “man, are you nasty, why?”


  21. geeez2014 says:

    BOCOPRO: SO, today, who do you WANT TO WIN!? PICK ONE…or two…thoughts?


  22. bocopro says:

    Earlier today I whipped up one of my standard rants dealing with pendulum swings and political posturing and Muslim mayhem and poisonous political correctness and all that.

    In it I said that if Trump hadn’t come along when he did, we’d have had to invent him . . . . an iconoclast who smashes the faux facades of socialism and ROEs and insipid cankling.

    It’s far too long for a blogpost, about 3 pages of doublespaced 12-point arial text. Its conclusion is that I’d vote for Trump if he’s the nominee just to watch liberals’ heads explode and Congresskritters wring their hands in fear of losing their platinum parachutes.

    Whom do I WANT to win? Well, refusing to nail myself down as a single-issue voter, I think either a Christie/Cruz or a Christie/Rubio ticket might be best for the nation at this juncture (for security considerations) although I disagree with each of them on one thing or another. I’ll vote AGAINST a Clinton or any socialist.

    Still think Cruz belongs on the SCotUS, tho, and the most likable guy out there (IMO) is Huckabee, even tho he’s a flipper on many issues. As I’ve said before, it all boils down to selecting the right researchers and advisors, then LISTENING to their reports.

    Reagan was particularly adept at that little managerial trick. And tho you may not like him, I believe Trump tends to work that way too when confronted with a Gordian knot he’s never seen before.


  23. bocopro says:

    BTW, Denny posted one of my rants a few days ago summing up my analysis of the corner our two-party system has finally painted us into. It’s a little less spicy than some others he’s posted, and he left it standing alone sans comment. Generally he makes a dual monologue out of ’em, interspersing his take on my commentary.


  24. geeez2014 says:

    Boco: ” As I’ve said before, it all boils down to selecting the right researchers and advisors, then LISTENING to their reports.”
    We KNOW too well that Obama never does that….do you think Trump’s ego would allow that?

    I can barely find time to read my own blog’s comments, but appreciate the link!


  25. geeez2014 says:

    Like Ed, I highly recommend you all reading Silverfiddle’s post at his place……great thinking on Trump by him and French.
    And such fun to see the lefties unite and squirm and obfuscate; one was so keyed up he brought up how Larry Flynt is a Republican, too! (AS IF!?)


  26. Silverlady says:

    noun hack·le \ˈha-kəl\
    Definition of hackle
    Popularity: Bottom 40% of words

    a : one of the long narrow feathers on the neck or saddle of a bird b : the neck plumage of the domestic fowl

    : a comb or board with long metal teeth for dressing flax, hemp, or jute

    plural a : erectile hairs along the neck and back especially of a dog b : temper, dander

    a : an artificial fishing fly made chiefly of the filaments of a cock’s neck feathers b : filaments of cock feather projecting from the head of an artificial fly


  27. geeez2014 says:

    Well, Silverlady, I guess that’s the last time I’ll use that expression in conjunction with ME 🙂 As far as I can tell, I’m fresh out of domestic plumage!


  28. Boco: Try Arial Narrow 9pt. 🙂

    Z: Rubio may get the Vanilla Award.
    Everbody’s “second” choice.
    The one who can get a plurality of votes.


  29. Bob says:

    I missed the first debate, and the first hour of the second debate. It turns out I didn’t miss much. Fox and CNN will not let me miss anything. Each and every exchange has been played over and over to the point that I am glad I missed part of the action.

    Trump was Trump. When others bring knives, he brings guns and makes it into a personal thing. He don’t need no stinking facts. He has his mouth!

    Poor JEB. I really like the guy, and had high hopes for him but he started late and never caught on. There’s probably lots of Bush Phobia still hanging around.

    I really likes what Fiorina had to say, but she hasn’t caught on, either. I think Ted Cruz sounds whiney with that nasal voice of his, and I don’t like some of his positions. Rubio is a fantastically intelligent and articulate man, and may be our eventual nominee if Trump crashes, which I hope he does.

    I really like Christy but I don’t think he has a chance. He said some good things during the debates.

    Bring on the primary elections. I will NOT vote for Trump or Cruz. There are too many other intelligent people for which to vote.


  30. John M. Berger says:


    “John and Mal…Cruz and Rubio going after each other was so enlightening I couldn’t be turned off….I liked it.”
    It seemed to me that [they] were more engaged in some sort of a private, esoteric, argument than something that the aggregate audience could relate to. Perhaps it’s my ignorance of their subject-at-hand. Nevertheless I thought it gave Christie grist for one of his best comments (“glaze over”) of the evening.


  31. FB says:

    I watched it:

    – Rubio: phony, neocon, car salesman
    – Kasich: used to like him but he plays daddy or grand daddy now
    – Fiorina: she has a tendency to make stuff up that really bothers me
    – Cruz: he’s getting better. Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins it.
    – Carson: he’s done.
    – Trump: he knows what he’s doing and is brilliant at it. The GOP needs some strategic thinking big time. Someone who doesn’t back down.
    – Jeb: Snoozorama


  32. It may not be Rubio’s time. I say this because of the perception of his stance on immigration — Gang of Eight, was it?
    When I got home today, I read this (for what it’s worth):

    Jeb Bush Threatens to Kill the Republican Party.

    I know for a fact that the establishment GOP is ready, able, and willing to sacrifice the 2016 National Election to the Dems rather than allow a GOP outsider win the White House. Karl Rove’s wishes — and all that.


  33. Mustang says:

    Anyone thinking Jeb can beat Hillary … I have a buy one/get one on used bridges.


  34. geeez2014 says:

    I hoped to like Cruz. I can’t look at him (literally, I don’t know WHAT it is..) and he does sound whiny, as bright as he’s supposed to be…whiny.

    I’m kind of sick and tired of the WHOLE THING by now, you know?


  35. geeez2014 says:

    I had to laugh today; my computer guru told me she and her husband are going to Israel for five days over Christmas and then on to Paris for five days for New Year’s….she”s calling it their TERRORISM TOUR 🙂


  36. Baysider says:

    “Everbody’s “second” choice.” Remember, it took 17 ballots or so to nominate Lincoln. But what a choice!


  37. geeez2014 says:

    How about a REAGAN/LINCOLN ticket? 🙂


  38. Bob says:

    FB: “– Fiorina: she has a tendency to make stuff up that really bothers me”

    Help me here. I don’t know of anything Fiorina has lied about or has made up.


  39. geeez2014 says:

    FB…yes, tell us what Fiorina lied about.
    I disagree completely on Rubio.


  40. HERE is the reality about our political Parties (long, but please read):

    Dear Paul Ryan, I voted for you in 2012, and …

    so I feel I have some kind of investment in what you do.

    My vote for Mr. Romney and you was in no small part because of your reasoning on budgeting, debt, and the future of the Republic.

    However right now, all I see is that the maximum effort,, if that is what it is, is merely to make things worse somewhat more slowly.

    Now, if what we are doing is unsustainable (as I believe it is, and as many of you with the appellation “R” have explained), and you have no taste for sticking your flag in the ground, or don’t want to, please explain to me WHY I should not vote for Bernie, or HRC, and thereby vote myself the most free stuff possible, since we’re all going to hell anyway?

    Please don’t tell me things would be different with a republican president. First, we may not have one, and second, that president has to operate on the principle that we can’t go on like this, or there will be nothing for anyone.

    You have convinced me, NOW, that there may be no point in my vote for an R since I see no R who will act out of conviction for CHANGE. REAL OBJECTIVE CHANGE in the way the republic has been going.

    We’re all watching very carefully out here, and I know I am not the only one thinking this way.
    The budget you created and the time to review it you set CYNICALLY, at 3 days, for 2009 pages requires a congressman to read 2/3 of the Lord of the RIngs Trilogy every day and COMPREHEND IT.

    Sounds a lot like, ‘you have to pass it to find out what’s in it’ without the quote
    I don’t dislike bipartisan action, but suppose bipartisan action will not save the republic.
    That you did not include additional provisions over entrance to the USA of those of ANY nation, or other entity which harbors ill intentions towards our civilians is ASTONISHING, and recalls govts like those of Stanley Baldwin.

    SO WHAT if Obama vetoes it? It is JUST THAT kind of issue for you to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE which causes us to wonder if we should vote ourselves the treasury and just put another turkey breast, and brisket in the smoker the morning of the game.
    After all, YOU DON’T CARE. Not enough to RAISE HELL.

    You can’t IMAGINE how carefully you and the others are being scrutinized every day.


  41. FYI…

    Donald Trump: Merkel is Destroying Germany.

    Now, which other POTUS candidate is saying this???


  42. geeez2014 says:

    AOW, re Ryan, I’m seeing more anti Republican blogging done now than I see on leftwing blogs….not that I see many leftwing blogs, but…
    I will NEVER agree with not voting, no matter what. If we can only slow down the socialist creep from the left, let’s try it. it’s worth it; someone better could come. SOmeone could surprise us.
    Sometimes I think it could be Trump, God forgive me.

    As for Merkel; my stepson wrote yesterday telling me the Conservatives gave Merkel a ten minute ovation for her promise to take in as many refugees as possible and how good that will be for Germany. it’s unbelievable.
    If their OWN can’t see it, how can our blind Obama?
    TRUMP IS RIGHT> German friends I love sent me a terrible piece on Trump from NY paper….’best piece we’ve seen on him’…not even curious as to whether I like him or not, just telling ME how awful Trump is.
    Of course,I’m no fan, but I wrote them back that the really WORST thing is that so many Americans are THIS ANGRY at Obama that a Trump would appeal to them….(put that in your pipe and smoke it, Ute and Gert!) (I didn’t add that part but should have!)


  43. FB says:

    Fiorina mentioned a general that advised Obama on the strategy to adopt with ISIS, saying Obama refused. And the general said it was totally false on Fox yesterday. She’s made stuff up regarding something else in a previous debate I can’t recall


  44. FB says:

    AOW, I registered as an independent. I don’t believe in our democratic system anymore to be honest. It makes me very depressed. We’re “slaves” of those two parties who cater to the big business and the losers in life. All they’re good at is stealing my income.


  45. FB says:

    The German’s guilt because of the holocauste is really making them do anything to feel better. It’s unbelievable.


  46. geeez2014 says:

    FB, the guilt is exactly what’s behind this in Germany.
    Glad you’re an independent, I’m sure you’ll feel better there…
    And Obama has fired generals for not toeing his line, so that general..? Got his pension, I’m sure.


  47. FB says:

    I don’t feel better but I don’t want to be hostage of those parties and leaders. Trust me they don’t give a rat’s ass about electors like you and me. See the latest budget? They don’t seem to care about the deficit. It’s all a joke to them.


  48. FB says:

    On Trump overseas, my mom told me the guy looked and sounded dumb. What does she know about him? Nothing aside from hearing what people say on French TV. Unbelievable.


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