Islam’s Great Achievements…

I think most of us have heard some of this, but I don’t think we’ve all heard all of this.  I was thinking about how Obama had to try to come up with great things Muslims have given the world, and he includes calligraphy?  Imagine thinking “well….darn….algebra….arches…and Calligraphy!  They write well!  I’ll put that down on the list!”   That really got to me.  That’s a stretch born of desperation.

Tell me what you think of this video after listening to the whole thing…it’s not long.   And it’s stunning.

What would you say is a great achievement of Islam, and how have they so greatly contributed to America over the years, as he suggests?  I know with 100% certainty that peaceful muslims have lived in America and owned businesses and contributed in those ways, that continues today, but things sure changed in the muslim community after 9/11, when demands started being made, more immigrants started coming, many of whom are in hijabs, etc.  Odd, isn’t it.

But I’d like to know what you think of Islamic achievements…….please let’s not get into terrorism, etc etc…we know we’re all angry, we know who to blame for the terror all around the world, but I REALLY would like to know what “GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS” there are.

Obama talks about restrictions on charitable giving and how they hurt Muslims.  WHAT?..what restrictions on Muslims for charitable giving, as Obama says?  And how have we “impeded” muslims from doing their religion “as THEY see fit?”

Thanks.  When did we stop being a Christian nation, by the way, as he suggests (or rejoices in)?   When he stopped going to Wright’s church?


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28 Responses to Islam’s Great Achievements…

  1. Silverfiddle says:

    I simply ask anyone to point to a prosperous Muslim nation on the level of say, Moldova or Slovenia. Turkey comes closest, and many would chalk that up to Attaturk’s aggressive secularization of their society, which Erdogan is now undoing.

    Where have Muslims moved in, gained a plurality or majority, and improved things?

    Lebanon was a peaceful Christian nation 50 years ago. It’s where Muslim dissident went when secular or religious leaders banned them. There is a direct correlation between increased Muslim population and violence.

    Yes, most Muslims are peaceful, bla bla bla… but it only takes a single match to burn down the barn.


  2. bocopro says:

    Ritualized regression, graduate-level plagiarism, universal whining, neolithic tribalism, and turbocharged intimidation.


  3. The one place here that I see Moslems having a positive influence is the medical profession. In fact, the head of the biggest post-stroke rehab unit here is a Moslem named Ali G. Ganjei. He seems to be doing a fine job.

    Several realtors and, more significantly, some real-estate developers are Moslems.

    We also have many, many Moslem cab drivers. Does that count as a great achievement?


  4. SF,
    Where have Muslims moved in, gained a plurality or majority, and improved things?

    The crux of the matter is that portion about a plurality or majority!


  5. bocopro says:

    Islam’s Sonnet To The Westernese

    How do I loathe thee? Let me count the ways:
    I hate thee to the depth and breadth and height
    Islam can reach, when guided by the might
    Of jihad to drive the kaffirs from our place.
    I hate thee to the ends of all my days’
    Most fervent hope; no woman do I need
    Except to clean and cook and bear my seed.
    I hate thee purely, for thy unclean ways.
    I hate thee for the passion thou wouldst use
    To sap my manhood with thy serpent’s wiles.
    I hate thee with a fear I must ne’er lose
    Lest I surrender to thy clever guiles.
    I curse thee with this holy Muslim breath,
    My knife, my bomb, my life! – if Allah choose,
    I shall but love thee better after death.


  6. Silverfiddle says:

    AOW, I served with many Muslims, all good people. Muslims have thrived here in the US. What does that say about cultures they come from?


  7. geeez2014 says:

    SF says “I served with many Muslims, all good people. Muslims have thrived here in the US. What does that say about cultures they come from?”
    That’s exactly the point…most of us understand that many Muslims are good people….as I said in my post, they’ve thrived here, not causing any trouble, peaceful, etc…until 9/11, when the emphasis went to radical islamists and, sadly, enough of those good Muslims have remained fairly quiet (yes, I know and tout the exceptions…no need to go into them here again).

    AOW, sadly, Dr. Ganjei and others like him are exceptions as welll…… question is what you addressed in your second comment; where has a plurality or majority of islam made for a thriving, modern country?
    And I’d be happy with non-modern; let them wear their robes and hijabs….go back to the dark ages, just leave us ALONE. Stay where you are; do not bring your dark ages to us. anymore.

    bocopro….sadly, that’s a good sonnet.

    I just do NOT see where any country has flourished under radical islam; Afghanistan actually was a peaceful muslim country, Lebanon was the “Paris of the Middle East”, even Teheran under the Shah was GORGEOUS and thriving, modern, etc.l

    I heard a Muslim woman on TV the other night saying that there is nothing in the koran that calls for killing anybody.
    From everything I have heard there is………….so where do we go from there?

    MOST IMPORTANTLY: I’d like to hear your views on Obama’s constant evoking of the beautiful muslim faith and how much it’s done for the modern world.

    Any takers at ALL?


  8. geeez2014 says:

    Rouhani asks Pope for prayers…….very unusual.
    a good thing? Maybe


  9. geeez2014 says:

    what in the world would TV Cable news DO if there was a naval hospital shooting AND a terrible snowstorm on the same day? Turn schizophrenic?


  10. bocopro says:

    Soetoro is in taqiyya. Inarguably. He firmly believes that the US is the greatest source of tension and conflict on the planet, an opinion he is free to have, but NOT as PotUS.

    His goal for Islam is to diminish the power and influence of the US to the point that Muslims can take control of the country by outnumbering the inhabitants, many of whom are no longer interested in having babies.

    The only thing I haven’t figured out is how he plans for Islam to control what will eventually be a 90-million Catholic Latino factor in the US population.


  11. Mustang says:
    Silverfiddle has made excellent points. As for the video (I can barely stand to hear this man’s voice), he is either a liar or delusional (but both could also be true). Name one Moslem that signed the Declaration of Independence, or tell me the name of one Moslem who heartily endorsed our Constitution or the Bill of Rights. There were none because these documents stand against everything a good Moslems believes.

    I have heard the myth of Islamic contributions repeated often; it follows the Marxist notion that if you tell a lie often enough, it will eventually become a universal truth. Actual (as opposed to revisionist) history tells us a different story. We can look to the so-called golden age of Islam and point to scholarly men, and we can say that many of these learned men built upon the work in philosophy, mathematics, and science properly credited to the Greeks, Assyrians, and Armenians; Islamists stole some of this work and claimed it as proof of important Islamic contribution.

    Here is one example: according to one encyclopedia, a great accomplishment of Islam was the madrasah because it encouraged learning. The claim is false. Madrasahs do not encourage learning; they encourage memorization —and while this is an enviable skill, it does not facilitate critical thinking. Few Moslems ever questioned the balderdash that is Islam; asking questions is a pathway to suffering in Islamic societies.

    Finally, we may say that while scholars such as Khayyam, Al-Khowarizmi, Ibn-Sina did make important contributions to human society, we must also point to the fact that influential Imams repudiated these men in their own time, accusing them of being apostate and demanding that they be put to death. As for Khayyam, modern historians remember him as a religious skeptic, which precludes anyone from attributing his work to Islam. We may give deference to individuals who were great scholars within Islamic societies while at the same time, we can argue effectively that Islamic repression has done more to hinder human progress than foster it.


  12. Imp says:

    At least 170 Jews and persons of half-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize, accounting for 22% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2015, and constituting 37% of all US recipients during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 26% and 39%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world’s population and 2% of the US population.)

    Chemistry (28 prize winners, 19% of world total, 27% of US total)
    Economics (22 prize winners, 39% of world total, 53% of US total)
    Literature (13 prize winners, 13% of world total, 27% of US total)
    Physiology or Medicine (52 prize winners, 28% of world total, 42% of US total)
    Peace (9 prize winners, 10% of world total, 11% of US total)3
    Physics (46 prize winners, 26% of world total, 38% of US total)

    And Muslims?


  13. bocopro says:

    Imp — to elaborate on that . . .

    A lady in my e-mail chat group began as an evangelist Christian and had some bad luck with marriage. She later married a Jewish guy and has children and grandchildren living in Jerusalem.

    After a series of discussions the group had about radical Muslims in that region, I told her this, which I have seen tossed around in various other forums, but which I take full credit for:

    Israel has made the desert bloom; Islam has made it bleed.

    The most ludicrous “peace prize” ever awarded to any Muslim was Arafat’s. I mean, really! It is to laugh . . . to paroxysm.


  14. Mal says:

    Exactly, Imp. So the Muslims gave us algebra. Thanks a lot for THAT! But seriously, what else have they accomplished in the past thousand years or more? And Z, regarding whether the Koran actually calls for killing I guess really comes down to how it is interpreted otherwise they would all be in agreement. Its interpretation is the key.
    On another note, my wife and I saw “13 Hours” last night. Outstanding film, however I would like to see it again in a different venue. The multiplex theater we went to at our local Casino has screens so large (the entire front wall is screen!) and the sound so loud (remember, we both have some hearing loss and it was still too loud for us) that I couldn’t really enjoy the film as intended. I sure hope Hillary sees it. That should be a MUST!


  15. Imp says:

    Be very afraid and careful of what you say and print…

    As ISIS rises, Democrat politicians forge down a slippery slope to destroy America’s First Amendment and prohibit all discussion of Islamic terrorism.

    This will be islams “greatest” achievement and “contribution” to our country…


  16. Baysider says:

    Much of the ballyhooed ‘achievements’ of Islam were carried forward into Islamic political realms from the past. The wisdom, science and literature of great Indians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and Byzantines were largely carried on by non-muslims, many of whom were marginalized and isolated for it by their muslim overlords. The Islamic system served to quash most of that as one quashes a spent fire, separating the coals that fuel each other’s heat and stomping out the remaining embers. It produced very little of value on its own.

    There is a reason the heyday of Islamic achievement was in the first generation after they conquered Byzantium. Then … it died off for lack of an indigenous impulse to carry it forward, in contrast to the West.


  17. bocopro says:

    Oh, I LIKE that. In fact, I’m stealing it to incorporate in a future rant.


  18. Baysider says:

    The people we’re studying right now in Isaiah – the Assryians – had parabolic domes and arches, e.g. And, yes, there was a Persian maybe muslim mathematician who compiled prior ancient knowledge (Indians and Greeks) and gave it an Arab name that we know today as algebra. Association is not invention, but he gets credits for passing forward knowledge from the past.


  19. Mal says:

    Great comment, Baysider. I was unaware of that fact. So……..maybe the question of what the Arabs ever contributed to society might be readdressed?


  20. Some of the finest party stores, gas stations and middle eastern eateries I know are run by muslims.
    Give me a minute, I’m sure I can think of more.


  21. geeez2014 says:

    There is no doubt about it, except for a muslim here and there contributing something (like calligraphy…imagine searching your brain like Obama did and coming up with that as one of the few things he could actually detail as “islamic”?) Islam has never done what Obama suggested it’s done.

    Of course there are bright, fine people (unlike what some of you think) who are muslims.;..but in general, Islam has NOT done anything like he avows.


  22. bocopro says:

    Every time Soetoro attempts to analyze something and then tries to articulate what he comes up with in that process, he weakens western civilization.


  23. Mal says:

    Kinda like Hillary does when trying to explain her emails, huh Bocopro?


  24. John M. Berger says:

    While Algebra [may] have originated in areas which are [currently] Moslem a lot of evidence seems to indicate that it predated even the birth of Mohamed and, therefore, the claim that “algebra was invented by Moslems” is very much in question.


  25. geeez2014 says:

    JMB, that’s probably right.

    And, really, I’m not saying there aren’t brilliant muslims over the centuries….I’m simply suggesting Obama doesn’t know what the H is going on OR he’s so invested in the ‘wonders of islam’ that he can’t dump that ideology and THINK FACTS, right?
    Like I think I said the other day, he keeps saying “America is not a Christian nation” but I think he thinks that only since he stopped attending Wright’s church…HE’s no longer a church goer, so WE aren’t church goers! ?????
    Don’t forget, his staff says “Oh, yes, you see him at the National Cathedral on holidays and he attends church at Camp David!” Do any of you remember the last time you heard the Obamas were at Camp David? I thought so.

    Oh, and he’ll attend any Black church when he’s near one…that’s pretty obvious, too.


  26. bunkerville says:

    Regarding the opinion that most Muslims are good people. There is no way in hell we know. One of the very tenets of their faith is to cozy up to the infidel. It is clearly written that we are the scourge and the sooner we are wiped from the earth, their faith will be complete. Sorry, not a scholar of Islam, but that is to be the final achievement. Now we can chose to forget this tenet. I choose not to.


  27. In my teaching career (secular education from 1973-1978 and private Christian education from 1978-present), I’ve had little contact with Muslim colleagues. In fact, I don’t recall a single Muslim colleague during my years of teaching in public schools.

    From 1988-1996, I had a few Muslim students, mostly Pakistanis, enrolled in private Christian education. The parents’ attitudes of those students were a mixed bag: generally harsh on their daughters but very defensive of their sons (always wanting their sons’ grades raised). I hate to say this, but every single one of those Muslim students in that private Christian school — except for the one girl who secretly converted to Christianity while in my class — were dedicated cheaters on their schoolwork. Maddening! I’ve heard the same from my friends who are now teaching in public schools.


  28. John M. Berger says:

    I agree!


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