Critique and YOU will become the demon!….

I was listening to Dennis Prager yesterday when he talked about how people like Marco Rubio have been trying to drive home to the American public that Obama knows precisely what he’s done to our country, that it’s no accident that the debt’s so high, our international reputation’s pretty much shot,  race is more divided than ever,  etc etc…

We all know that anybody who dares say anything like that is immediately chastised instead of anybody actually looking at the criticism to see how it might just be true….on any subject.

Prager said “When people criticize politicians today, the rhetoric immediately changes to who said it, not the truth that was said.”   I totally agree and I think most of you would, too.   Not so much for Republicans, but for Democrats, it’s the ‘bait and switch’ reroute….The Republican might be correct in what he or she said, but let’s attack him or her so NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO WHAT WAS SAID.  Man the torpedoes!  Cover up!  Spin Spin Spin!  (I’m not saying there’s no spin on the Right, Lord knows….but I think, on this point, I’m correct that it’s more aimed at the Right)

But it wasn’t like this in the past.   I wonder when you think that started to happen.  I believe it’s around the same time, and with the same intention, when the political mantra from the mainstream media began to look like this:

Democrats – Correct

Republicans – EVIL (not wrong, EVIL)

Therefore, any Republican actually having the nerve to remind America that Hillary lied to the parents of those who died in Benghazi aren’t doing a public service by bringing this lie to our attention; that person who dared say she lied is WRONG, EVIL, “we’ll find SOMETHING on him/her so the true criticism isn’t heard anymore!!”  Right?  And nobody goes into finding the truth, just finding what dirt they can pile on whoever said anything like that.   See my point?  I know some of you see it on your blogs from the leftwingers, right?  They’ll change the subject, they’ll absolutely cream anybody who dares criticize so the criticism is completely drowned out “the rhetoric changes to WHO SAID IT”, not what was said.

Thoughts?  When do you think this started, that the switch from learning truth became all personality and all deflection?

Z

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58 Responses to Critique and YOU will become the demon!….

  1. bocopro says:

    Been around forever. Ad hominem, red herring, tu quoque, shoot the messenger.

    It’s like the “we need to have a national discussion about race” proposal. In other words, people like Sharpton and Jackson and Lee want to air out all their grievances and list their demands while everyone else listens.

    But you don’t dare blame the problem with Amfricans on the breakdown of the family unit or the high dropout rate from schools or the outrageous percentage of teenage pregnancy or on Welfare dependence or entitlement or blacks killing blacks in urban centers or 14% of the total population committing 50% of the crime . . . that’s racist.

    And a black person voting for a black candidate over a white candidate is loyalty, whereas a white person voting for a white candidate over a black one is racism.

    Eventually it all boils down to integrity and accountability versus my-way-or-the-highway.

  2. Great question, Z.

    I think that I noticed this switch from learning truth became all personality and all deflection in the early 1990’s — during the Clinton years.

  3. -FJ says:

    Check your spelling, please. “Denom”?

  4. Mustang says:
    When do you think this started?

    IMO, it began after World War II when the average American finally began to pay attention to what was going on inside the nation’s capital. President Truman was an utter disaster in ways that hardly anyone could imagine given the love affair Americans had with Roosevelt. So the Democrats determined to rid the country of Eisenhower as soon as possible. Realizing that the American voter was particularly receptive to low politics, Democrats began to use it in earnest and they happily found a newfound friend: televised media. So rather than paying attention to the specifics of the first televised debate, we were instead directed to the contrast in the way the candidates looked on camera: Kennedy was clean-shaven and suave; Nixon appeared with a five o’clock shadow. The media gave America the myth of Camelot —knowing that no one ever pays any attention to what Vortigern has to say. We’ve gone steadily down hill ever since.

    Given the totality of Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and Obama, I am amazed that even one American continues to vote the Democratic ticket —but then, real Americans do not, so it has been necessary to change the way Americans think about things. Enter public education … the icing on the cake.

  5. FB says:

    I was engaging with Bernie Sanders’s supporters on FB and it’s exactly like this. On top of that they’re total morons and drones.

  6. One. It was Christie who at the debate kept shooting at Rubio over that topic, rather than reinforcing it.
    Two. It was a Salem host (Prager) bringing this up. Another Salem host, Bill Bennett found it hard to believe that Obama was consciously trying to harm the nation. That it was coincidental. A few of callers (myself included) tried to dissuade him of this and only recently has he come to believe this.

    People can not get their head wrapped around the president trying to harm the country, not seeking its best interests. Or that his notion of its best interests would be so different from theirs.

    Along these lines and your topic of how our motivations are smeared:
    I have a niece who just got very nasty on this topic on FB in a comment exchange with a number of other family members who oppose Obama.
    All the accusations were that I was judgmental, nasty, crazy, the family laughs at me behind my back for this (instead of messaging/commenting in my favor as they do), when it was obvious that all those statements described her.
    True Believer. “Kill” all infidels.

  7. FB says:

    I am ridiculing the leftists now. Taking the higher road doesn’t work. I’m using the same tactics as they do.

  8. bocopro says:

    Listen . . . this is really quite simple: anyone with half a brain realizes that we are irretrievably deep in debt and drowning in a tidal wave of entitlements. So, since We can no longer afford to feed and house them, everyone is strongly encouraged to spay or neuter their liberals.

  9. geeez2014 says:

    bocopro, clearly, the ’emotion’ of this kind of thing’s been around forever; but I don’t believe the way it’s done now has been. The deflection is much worse than it’s been.

    “We can no longer afford to FEED THEM?”
    Did you know we are now giving Smartphones to illegals when they cross the border? Or that some Democrats want to give them FREE LEGAL HELP? I may blog on this right now.

    FJ….thanks…I guess we all make typos from time to time? Do you have a comment on the piece?

    AOW…that’s very interesting. THanks for that; I think it reached heights to deflect at that time.

    Mustang….Really good points….and yes, what we still somehow call “education,” which should just be called “indoctrination” has been a HUUUGE problem. THe media did ‘prettify’ Kennedy in contrast to Nixon, etc etc. Good points.. Thanks.

    FB….they’re very ugly arguers, aren’t they. How’s your ridiculing them going?
    Which is PERFECT EXAMPLE, now that I think of it. It happens on our blogs, too:
    The Leftwing insults and insults, the Right tries to argue points and stay a little above the fray, then the minute the Right gets insulted enough and angry and says something insulting back, the Right is SLAMMED hard for, example, “You homophobic, greedy, nasty, racist”
    You are SO RIGHT.

    Ed: “the family laughs behind my back instead of..” That is such typical liberal nastiness…hit hard where they think it’ll hurt the most. WOW.
    “True Believer. “Kill” all infidels.” How’s that fit your other comments? WHAT?

  10. A True Believer like an Islamist or a Liberal wants to decimate their opposition, not win over or discuss with.

  11. Bocopro, as many here know, my wife has half a brain and she know that.

  12. geeez2014 says:

    Thanks, Ed…it wasn’t clear.

  13. geeez2014 says:

    http://alwaysonwatch3.blogspot.com/ AOW’s image sure does apply to my post today!

  14. FB says:

    It’s pretty easy sadly. Yesterday I argued with Bernie’s drones. I was saying how socialism in France really tanked the country. Then a guy says it’s different in the US because the president only presides while Congress is the one that truly runs the country. It was pretty sad. An utter bunch of morons most of them. I told the guy I had to pass a citizenship test to be able to vote and that maybe he shouldn’t be allowed to do so. Once you show how idiotic they sound, they usually stop arguing very quickly.

  15. geeez2014 says:

    FB: I’d love you to ask one of these dopes how they like illegals being given free Smartphones by our government as they illegally cross our borders.
    I”m thinking we should all sue for one ourselves since, at least, we’re citizens? 🙂
    By the way, I never stop being amazed at how good your English is considering you were raised in France…my husband was like that, too, but I think that’s rare.

  16. FB says:

    Thanks. They’re a joke. The mere fact they think stuff is free in France is astonishing. They haven’t figured out someone is paying indirectly for “free” college or “free” healthcare.

  17. Silverfiddle says:

    We swirled a long way down the toilet bowl since the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

    A society gets the communication and messaging it deserves. The average attention span is now around 8 seconds. In recent scientific experiments, 2/3 of men and 1/4 of women preferred shocking themselves to sitting alone quietly in a barren room with nothing but their thoughts.

    Those two facts alone explain much.

  18. bocopro says:

    SF — say what?!

    That’s amazing. Having been around for 75 years, been in all 50 states for one reason or another, spent time in 10 foreign countries, did a career in the military, and taught for 15 years, I now find peace and quiet especially pleasant. Truly enjoy watching a summer thunderstorm, a dog running in a field for the pure joie d’ vie, closing my eyes and listening to Strauss or Mozart or Segovia or Glenn Miller.

    As somebody once said, aged wood is best to burn, aged wine is best to drink, old friends are best to hang out with, and old authors are best to read.

  19. Lisa says:

    Not sure when it actually started but I noticed it when GW was president and the media stopped being concerned about showing their bias

  20. Bob says:

    The politics of smear have always been with us, even in medieval times. In times gone past American politics have been that way, too. Remember Andrew Jackson and his personal grievances and early duels? Remember when Former Congressman, and Jackson supporter, Sam Houston caned William Stanbery, US Congressman, with his wooden cane on Pennsylvania for bad-mouthing Jackson’s Indian policies?

    Yes, this is the same Andrew Jackson and Sam Houston responsible for the Trail of Tears. Oh, Andrew Jackson was the first president that was a Democrat. True stuff, there.

    How about politics during the mid-nineteenth century? The political machinations of the Democrats even the were deplorable in trying to bury Abraham Lincoln. Things were really nasty.

    I believe that American politics have always been nasty, but that Bill Clinton started an era of 100% campaigning while in office. The Clinton smear machine knew no season. It was always in operation. Obama has just taken a page from the Clinton book, and Hillary is only trying to further that legacy.

    The Democrats are all about straw man arguments, red herrings, and personal smears. Don’t confuse them with facts. They don’t care.

  21. Imp says:

    Oh no…Antony Scalia has just died….we’re screwed.

  22. cube says:

    Imp: Oh Lord, we are screwed.

  23. Cruz is calling for Senate restraint.

  24. Dear God, Please protect the United States of America.
    Please restrain those who would further damage us.
    Give strength to the senate to resist confirming another Obama pick.
    In Jesus name.

  25. geeez2014 says:

    AMEN……..
    I have a friend on the phone who just called and said “Have you heard the news?”
    He said he had to ask God forgiveness because when he heard a Supreme Justice had died, he got excited thinking it was Ginsburg!
    He’s saying Obama and his friends will be drinking $10,000 bottles of champagne tonight in celebration.

    Mikey, my friend, just said he’d called his wife first so he didn’t have to say “Yes, I called Z… first!~” 🙂 HA!!! I love my friends who share politics with me.

  26. geeez2014 says:

    Do you think the more Conservatives justices should just stay home now? I mean, once Obama’s appointed another extreme lefty (Holder?), why bother to go to work?
    WE ARE OUTNUMBERED = SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWED.
    Screwed, Lewd and TATOOO’d.

  27. cube says:

    Obola can nominate any Alinsky-ite, a black-lives-matter racist, or even a member of CAIR. Let’s hope our Senate grows a spine and quick.

  28. bocopro says:

    If there’s ever a time for partisan politicking in the Senate, it’s now. Soetoro most certainly has a short list of leftistas, and I can already hear the wailing and moaning when the first couple are blackballed.

    Another liberal on the high court with Shrillary behind the Resolute Desk would be the death knell of this brave New World experiment.

  29. First McConnell has to block any attempt.
    “The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President,” McConnell said in a statement.

  30. FB says:

    Sometimes I think I may return to France. I may as well leave with nice food and wine if the country has to be socialist :((

  31. geeez2014 says:

    FB; je te suivrai…tu as raison…attends-moi !!

    ALREADY THE WHITE HOUSE LEFTIES ARE SAYING “WE CAN’T LET THESE CASES WAIT A YEAR, WE MUST HAVE AN APPOINTMENT BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION”

    Surprised?

  32. bocopro says:

    Worst-case scenario: Muslim
    Second worse: Anyone suggested by Sharpton
    Third worse: Avowed socialist

    I fully expect to hear persistent rumblings from the Senate: “Borq!” “Borq!” “Borq!”

  33. Kid says:

    This has been a constant in my mind. These are simply the tactics that evil is forced to use. Can they use logic? No. Can they use honesty? No. What’s left?

    Good case in point – Joe the Plumber gets the neighborhood walking imbecile without a teleprompter to admit that yes, his intention is to go full bore with wealth redistribution. The libs came out and attacked Joe. Oh, he’s not even a registered plumber ! Nothing to see here folks move along! he could have been an alien from the Vega system and who cares? obama states he intends to steal the money of hard working people and give it to the losers who cause all the problems in our country. Trry explaining that to a libtard.

  34. Kid says:

    FB, taking the high road. What else could you do? There is no use taking a road that your counter party has no knowledge of. It is much easier for civilized men to act like barbarians than for barbarians to act like civilized men.

  35. Kid says:

    A comment on a theme brought up by bocopro. Comtemplation. My wife was visting her Mother over a recent weeked. I never turned the TV on the 4 days. I watched birds feeding at our feeder – contemplated things – chores – enjoyed th absense of the unbelievably agended commercialized world and click bait “news” that doesn’t inform anyone abot anything.

    Add to this, it often occurs to me that we have had so many great thinkers in the past – Aristotle, Copernicus, Hubble, Newton, Homer, pick a thousand more – because they were not inundated with a 24/7 stream of absolute nonsense. I have to believe that the only great thinkers we have today are those with an insane ability to tune everything out. This is always my aim in balance with staying aware of risk.

    Anyway to your main point Z – Yes, obama has intentionall ybeen doing everything he could to damage America as much as possible. obama is literally osama in the white house.

  36. Imp says:

    @bocopro….”Worst-case scenario: Muslim…”

    Yes…I believe that’s what will happen. Nominate a mooslem…someone who’s very philosophy is anathema to our values, to our constitution, who can never really be an American in any sense of the word, ideologically, spiritually or so long as the quran is his guide… and absolute authority. Perhaps so we can all do our final mea culpas and happily praise our tolerance and commitment to DIE-versity and say we have another “first”. Then the demrats can have a field day calling all of us who object…racists, islamophobes, bigots and haters….just to bring us closer to the caliphate. The camel is in the tent then… in more ways than one. Either way…we’re screwed.

  37. Imp says:

    Hour 1: Liberals Respond to Antonin Scalia’s Death with Hatred, Mockery, Joy…

    Within one hour of news breaking that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died in his sleep, progressives on Twitter put politics before basic human decency–both celebrating and mocking his death.

  38. A muslim confirmed?

  39. Kid says:

    Ed, a moslem confirmed? Why not. According to obama, moslems helped write the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

  40. Kid says:

    IMP, yea, literally no surprise with the libtards celebrating.

  41. Silverfiddle says:

    I pray for our nation every day, but I have to wonder, what makes today’s USA any more special in God’s eye than any other nation?

  42. geeez2014 says:

    SF, that’s an excellent and thoughtful question; I believe our founding fathers were Christians who were carrying out the intentions of God; there isn’t any accident that Squantos, an Indian with absolutely no sophistication, should have been coincidentally taken to England, learned English, was taken BACK to America, and then met the Pilgrims and helped them survive. That’s WILD, there can be NO coincidence there.
    There are other reasons I believe Ed’s right in saying “His purpose”….
    God loves everybody, every country, but it’s not by accident that this country has been such a beacon in the world for all these years until He was taken out of Main Street, our schools, mocked, etc. Sounds corny and ridiculous but I believe it now more than I ever have.

    Re the DEBATE I AM HALFHEARTEDLY LISTENING TO: I have never heard such horrible stuff as the CRAP coming out of Trump’s mouth.
    Imagine half the huge crowd screaming for Bush and his suggesting they’re ALL Lobbyists? “And I only have my wife and son here”.. POOR DONALD. The faces he makes, the dreadful hate he exhibits if people aren’t ALL SCREAMING FOR HIM, the KING.
    He has been even more loathsome tonight than ANY time. disgusting.

  43. geeez2014 says:

    the interviewer asks Carson “tell the audience something that would be politically incorrect”:

    what the??????????

  44. geeez2014 says:

    my goodness! The debate’s over 20 minutes and Trump’s saying “The polls say this was my best debate ever….I did the best”
    WHAT?? Which polls came out already and ..wow, what an ego

  45. geeez2014 says:

    Trump; pro Planned Parenthood, easy on eminent domain, etc…what happened to him tonight? Is this the real Trump suddenly showing?

  46. Silverfiddle says:

    Ed: “His purpose?”

    What purpose are we serving to God? Perhaps the rich man who went away sad because he could not forsake it all and follow Jesus?

    We are a sad, fallen country and if we ever served God’s purpose, that was long ago.

    Z: What you said is not corny. It is true. Christians have been looking for salvation in politics, but it ain’t there.

    I got news: Jesus ain’t a Republican. Get humble, get down on your knees and put politics behind thee where it belongs.

  47. His purpose:
    A land that send/supports missionaries, whose people promote the gospel.
    Christians aren’t seeking salvation in the Republican party, they are seeking a voice in the governance.

  48. Trumps true colors flew.
    The crowd went booh, booh, booh.

  49. geeez2014 says:

    SF: This Christian doesn’t look for salvation in politics, though I know what you’re getting at. THere is a feeling of that.
    Also, there is no doubt that we’re not worthy anymore.
    Faith was VERY big in Germany all these years and look what’s happening there now since secularists have shamed Christians (and Jews) into shutting up?
    France, too. Spain’s totally a mess since they’ve turned their collective back on God in many ways…etc etc.

    Please read The Harbinger.

    Ed, kind of surprising that the crowd boo’d so much…and, as I said above, Trump painted that as “Bush’s people!”…more than half the audience? 🙂

  50. I am not a Rubio fan. I do however believe what he said about Obama. Obama knows what he is doing but acts dumb about it.

  51. Mal says:

    I agree with you, lafayetteangel. Rubio didn’t hesitate to say it like it is either.

  52. Silverfiddle says:

    The RNC controlled over half the tickets in the debate audience, so they packed it with Bush supporters.

  53. Silverfiddle says:

    Africa and (believe it or not) China is where Christianity is on the move. Building houses in Latin America is a very Christian thing to do, but they are already Christians.

    While we still have millions of dedicated followers of Christ here, the nation itself no longer stands for Christian values, which is why I say God my not look upon us any more favorably than say, Kenya.

    BTW, I do not believe Ed, Z, or anyone here is looking for God in politics, so I apologize if what I said came off as a personal attack. I most certainly did not intend to attack anyone here.

    We must be true to Christ always, but when we enter the political arena, law, politics, policy, and even morality needs to be discussed in a secular way.

    Consider: % of Christians has dropped steadily since all the Moral Majority, Rightwing Christian hoopla of the 1980s. We must seriously consider that the crass intersection of Republican politics and religion has turned people away from Jesus.

  54. geeez2014 says:

    SF: I thought the blog word is THE GOP WANTS RUBIO….I don’t know about who packed what, but if that’s true, Trump could say it more politely. Not like he did “Ah, that’s just Jeb people…his LOBBYISTS” It’s NOT LOBBYISTS…… He could do everything more politely.

    I didn’t take personally what you said, I just disagreed about me, that’s all.

    No, the nation definitely does NOT stand for Christian values….by the way, you mention Kenya; Africa is ON FIRE for Christ, growing by the minute….it’s amazing.

    I totally agree that all you mention must be discussed in a secular way; except I doubt Jesus would agree with us. I believe He wants all to be viewed through the lens of Christianity; like our votes are, I believe.

    You know, there’s a difference with the Moral Majority hoopla and true Christianity. One does turn people away; just watch CHristian TV some night and flip around the channels seeing CREEPY people screaming of “GEEEEEE ZUZ”….healing, knocking people down with their big healing, asking for money, dyed hair on the evangelist men, etc etc. Who wouldn’t be turned off?

    I hear terms like MORAL MAJORITY and I think “WHAT? Where’d that come from?”

    Here’s what I think: Christian values should be talked about on a daily basis because they keep people good, healthy, philanthropic, kind, etc etc. Like at our blogs…we talk about it quite a bit here. Nobody pushes anything here, or at any ANY of the other blogs……nobody pushes faith. We talk about it, we discuss the benefits and cringe at the oddities some Christians do when they’re off Scripture….or eager to fleece folks for CASH.
    AND I believe it’s the secularists, atheists, secular media, etc., who MAKE CHRISTIANS SOUND DEMENTED. Most Christians do NOT PUSH THEIR VALUES ON ANYBODY. The media hates that, so, some C’s are humiliated into silence and that’s very sad for our country…
    It’s only lately that there’s a kind of backlash to Christian faith, to something the media secularists have made up. Who ever was called EVANGELICALS until fairly lately? And what IS THAT? The media makes it sound like AIDS CARRIERS…

    The MEDIA and other secularists slam anything they don’t like and feel THREATENED BY: Remember Promise Keepers? Nothing was wrong with that..it was clean, decent, private to those who believed in it, not forced on anybody! But, OH BROTHER, did many in the media balk and insult! (it’s over now…no more PK)
    Christians weren’t pushing…EVER (ever)…. but now they are starting to IN REACTION…I firmly believe that. But I could be wrong, and I welcome feedback..

    SF???

  55. geeez2014 says:

    SF, by the way…..it’s not dropping in secular Santa Monica; churches are growing and not the ‘Big Music Hipster Churches’ but.really sound teaching churches…everybody around here’s saying “Man, those churches are growing and it’s HERE IN SANTA MONICA???” (about the most liberal enclave in L.A. County.)
    If MY church is merging with a church full of younger people, based on their teachings by their mid-thirties pastor and their sound theology, and we’re hearing of MANY other churches full of MOSTLY young people, there’s something good going on lately…believe me.
    Another young, sound doctrined church has Saturday night events for the unchurched, and mostly unChristian; opening doors, welcoming, answering questions; they’re getting approx 125 young people on a Sat.; night!! pretty astonishing.
    I went to a Catholic funeral yesterday and was rather pleased at the amount of young people who knew the repetitions to say, the liturgy etc….

  56. Silverfiddle says:

    Z: We are in agreement. My basic point is Christianity got too tangled up in politics and became identified with the GOP, for good and bad, but mostly bad.

  57. geeez2014 says:

    SF “tangled up in politics and became identified with the GOP”
    I couldn’t agree more.

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