Brilliant….old hippie Bernie is calling the Pope a Socialist and it’s so good for Socialists on so many levels:
-Leftwingers gone berserk will love it.
-Catholics might be persuaded Socialism must be a good thing, and Bernie’s running, so……..
-It makes Socialism sound almost mainstream somehow, acceptable
From THIS article: “Sanders praised what the pope has done “in a very bold way” to “raise the issue of the worship of money, the idolatry of money, and to say maybe that’s not what human life should be about, and that is a very, very radical critique of the hypercapitalist system, world system, that we’re living in today,” Sanders said.”
Does it mean you worship and idolize money when you work very hard and succeed? Is hypercapitalism better than any kind of socialism?
Very, very clever of ol’ Bernie…..Don’t you think so?
So if you’re a socialist, claiming that you don’t worship money, why is it that the main thing you want is other people’s money?
There is no way to describe socialism as a success using examples in practice around the world, or by using valid logic.
As always, Sanders and others lower the conversation to the level of a third-grader’s cartoon.
We have a real problem with wealthy, unaccountable people and corporations acting with impunity, trashing whole sections of society, and moving on.
The rich in this country are the engine behind rampant immigration, exporting jobs under the guise of “free trade,” lax drug laws, pornification of our society and pop culture, the entire panoply of progressive causes. Who do you think funds the progressive agenda? Poor people?
No. affluent latte leftists, rich enough to live in gated communities and wall themselves and their families off from the societal dysfunction they create.
We are in a very strange place, and until people wake up and see what is going on, we will be unable to address our problems.
The Pope IS a socialist. There are many socialist Catholics, especially in Europe. Catholicism was the Big Gov of the medieval time raising money and providing, let’s admit it, charity and some healthcare. French kings needed the approval of the Pope. Clovis converted to get to power.
The Catholic church has a tradition of collectivism and wealth redistribution. Max Weber pointed that out. So nothing new with this Pope.
When I look at very devoted Catholics I know in France they are either nationalist and very conservative or socialist. All in all they are collectivist minded. The individual has to submit itself to the will and values of the collective. It’s very different from what I read in Charles Stanley where it is about the individuality of the soul and that the submission is to God.
FB, would you agree that in older times the raising of money and providing healthcare, food, charity, schooling, etc., were good things? (and they did a LOT of that).
As long as nobody’s taking money away forcibly, via taxes or even subliminal threat (you won’t go to heaven unless you..$$$), I believe collecting money for the poor is a Conservative value, don’t you?
Yes, we shouldn’t ‘submit’ to any church, but only to God. The church is there to inspire us, to involve us with the all-important worship (I’m just now realizing how much God wants our praise and thanks and that our prayers should include a lot of that before we start with the supplication!), to help us form friendships with like minded (and usually very good-charactered) people, to study the Bible in more-than-usual depth and academia together, to have great times together, to raise money for the community and missionaries…etc.
Those were good things but if you abstract it, the Church was the State. Even before there was an official king of France, the Church was the established power. I personally do not distinguish the two. The Church was raising money by selling people pieces of paper that would make them go to heaven. Not moral in my book (merci Luther!) and equivalent to gov stealing your income. The Church is the richest real estate owner in my hometown for example.
The pope is a self professed Socialist. Socialism is satan worship. It’s a sin to steal from one group to give to another just because “they don’t / do deserve it”. ‘Nuff said.
Whaddya know, Bernie’s right for once! Great thought Kid.
FB. yes, and that kind of raising money is a lie from the pit of hell (as a friend puts it so quaintly!) and WRONG. But raising money for good causes, leaving it completely up to the individual to decide to give or not, is great!
Sparks and Bay…agreed!
I get really upset when I see people like Bernie and all the left that want other peoples money. They need to be told to go live in a country where they have socialism. You know the kind of countries I’m talking about. The ones where nobody is trying to sneak in or live in; only leave.
Then watch how fast they change their attitude and want to come back.
In a few hours I will be leaving for the Nevada Caucus to cast my vote. Thus far, Trump has it. I love to shake up the “good ‘ol boys” in the GOP!
Mal, I wish you made the rules!
Yeah, the pot calling the kettle black.
Mal…that’s a shake up, alright. Personally, I couldn’t give that blowhard the vote just to hear him gloat about how FABULOUS everybody is and how you all like him so much…….but, vote!!
You make great sense about socialism…Baysider’s right.
Except I’m starting to think this Conservative hate for the Republicans isn’t going to REALLY bit us in the behind BAD. I wish everybody could have heard Paul Ryan on Megyn Kelly last night; i knew there were things we got in that stinkin’ budget and I look forward to his doing more…but more VOCAL.
Well, as long as we’re trump-talking, did you see the politico article where a survey of Trump supporters found almost every last one of them were authoritarian.
It fits with the fact that when I suggest to Trumpsters that they are backing a strongman, they all say they’re ok with that.
“At least he’s our strongman “.
Ed, The money quote that I saw was right after the SC caucus. They said S Carolina voters are voting with their middle finger. (directed at teh GOP and oBAMa) Yep. Let’s hope they start voting with the brain instead. Cruz is the only one who even has a chance of putting Conservatives on the SC.
Kid, I TOTALLY disagree with you about how you think only Cruz will put a Con on the SC….You think Rubio or kasich or anybody else would put a lib on it?
BUT, I agree that the voters are ANGRY and that’s why otherwise decent people are going for a foul mouthed conceited blowhard…
Ed, which reminds me of a dear friend who was in her early nineties when she died…a sweet very, old fashioned, dear Christian lady; She once told a bunch of us that her teenaged grand daughter sometimes dressed like a prostitute but “she’s my little prostitute” 🙂 Talk about unconditional love!!
Just saw your link…I couldn’t agree more.
By the way; did anybody read my blog question about whether you thought it was smart or not smart of Bernie calling the Pope a socialist?????????
Z, “You think Rubio or kasich or anybody else would put a lib on it?”
Yes…. I think Rubio will do what “They” tell him to do. Just like the bush-ies. Ditto the rest.
I don’t have total confidence in Cruz, but I do think he is the best bet of the bunch.
The Pope, Squealing from behind the defensive walls of the Mega-Rich Gold Plated Vatican, Squeals that those who put up walls and worship money are not Christians. What can any intelligent person say beside LOL. ?
Find a The Pope a In a The Pizza. Mankind screwed up, raped, pilliged, and fubared religion.
I believe in a God, I don’t believe in a Pope.
Bernie was just calling out the Pope as a kindred spirit, an affirmation of his position.
Kid might be right about Cruz, Rubio or Kasich might appoint another Roberts or Souter.
You mention Kelly and Ryan:
wherein there is a good defense of the vote for the omnibus.
Mustang later linked to the audio in that post.
Kid, I disagree…
Ed…I asked if it does Bernie good to make that connection of socialism..that ‘tidy little group they both belong to!”
Whatever anyone says, I like and trust Ryan; go figure. Women’s instinct.
Z, The beauty of a fere society.. Personally, I’d say Ryan is even worse then Boehner. Afteall he rubber stamped oBAMa’s plan and budget that brings 200,000 more moslem invaders into America. And whatever else was un that 4.3 trillion $ budget. No friend of mine.
Good Lord. FREE Society. “Afterall”. “ud” = “Under”.
Addition, With everything going on,Ryan chose to select Social Security Recipients as the major enemies of America. Years ago. I have no use for Ryan. Really? Social Security is under funded but Welfare and WIC are not a problem?
“I asked if it does Bernie good to make that connection of socialism”.
I don’t think so. It gains him nothing, but affirms his status to the “true believers”.
ED: Mustang linked where? I looked everywhere and don’t see it.
I just listened to about half the audio and I feel quite relieved…I’ve always thought Ryan was a good man and I still do. My intuition was right. I’m glad you got an apology, too.
Ryan’s about 3x the man alcoholic, foul-mouthed Boehner was. Not sure Boehner was ALL bad, but my experience with him in person, and MUCH of the way he caved to the Left, really left a terrible taste in my mouth, believe me. And Mr. Z’s.
ED! I just realized that was from Jan 10!! I always read Mustang’s posts but missed that one.
Sorry to be so obtuse 🙂
Kid, listen to Ed’s audio……..it helps.
Ed…I think it helps him greatly; I think it makes HIM elevated to what Catholics think is ‘right’ and ‘great’….
Actually, for really secular lefties, he might have shot himself in the foot, come to think of it!!?
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