Mass Shooting…..questions

We all knempire state building gayow by now about the horrific mass murder of 50 people, and injuries to another 53, in Orlando, Florida, at an LGBT club called PULSE.    I have been watching coverage a little and wondered about a few things:

  1.  I was curious as to what constitutes reason for the White House to lower the flag at half mast.  ANY murder, or MANY murders?  Should it matter?  Perhaps it’s better to save that for murders done specifically to Americans in the line of duty.  I don’t know.  What’s your thought?
  2. It is not a crime to pledge allegiance to ISIS in our country.  That’s protected by the First Amendment.  It occurred to me that that’s INSANE.  I was also reminded that American school children cannot be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance or sing the National Anthem.   Think about that.

The very WORST point that hit me, and probably YOU, is #3, and that is the fact that the FBI says they have known about this guy for a couple of years.   And this guy had enough complaints about his threats and other frightening talk to warrant two interviews by the FBI…Count ’em.  TWO.  They let him go.

Obama never did mention Islam in his statement about the shootings yesterday.  My link has the full text.

What hit you about the whole horrible situation?   What do you think of the points I listed above?    Is it sensible for Obama to keep skirting the MUSLIM thing?  Did he perhaps feel he didn’t have enough information to back it up?  The guy DID call 911 as he was shooting and pledged his allegiance to ISIS.  Did our president not know what WE know?’

Last night, I heardLGBT leaders blaming Republicans and Christians for the killings.  The rhetoric of Republicans and Christians creates hatred toward gays, apparently?  I’m thinking this killer had ZIP to do with Christians OR Republicans, or I missed something?!

And the media keeps saying “the killer pledged allegiance to ISIS but we have no idea what the actual ties were…”  as if it has nothing to do with Islamist radicals unless he was a card-carrying ISIS member?

And BY THE WAY:  This guy had pledged his allegiance to ISIS over the last few years and the FBI knows “about 100 other people who are attached to ISIS in some way.”  They are on their radar screen.  REALLY?  We’re wasting FBI time and talent trash like that?   My solution is if you say you like ISIS ANYWHERE, on Facebook, to a friend, etc….then OFF YOU GO.  By Plane.  Dropped into the arms of ISIS.  No parachute.  In the Middle East somewhere.

WE LET THEM STAY HERE WHEN THEY SAY THEY LOVE ISIS?

Thoughts?   And please pray for the families of the victims and for those still so badly injured.

Z

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50 Responses to Mass Shooting…..questions

  1. Good morning Z,

    1. Lowering the flag to half staff denotes national mourning. I don’t think it inappropriate in this case. A catastrophic terrorist attack has left 50 innocent Americans massacred & another 53 innocent Americans badly injured, some in critical condition.

    2. The allegiance to ISIS should be a crime, punishable by long terms in prison. The first amendment does not apply to terrorist associations – nothing free about terrorism.

    3. The FBI has strict guidelines & protocol imposed on them by the Justice Department in order to protect Muslims rights, if you can absorb that nonsense. If the Bureau is unable to find evidence that connects the suspect to radical terrorist groups they must disengage surveillance of the suspect. These procedures, protocols & evidentiary requirements need to reformed with the goal of protecting Americans as the focus, not protecting Muslims. It’s insane right now.

    In my mind, the way to combat this is two-fold:

    First, no more Muslims admitted to the USA until the threat of terrorism ceases. Second, round up all suspected terrorists, terrorist wannabes, terrorist sympathizers and terrorist sponsors. Deport the foreigners back to their home countries, throw the American suspects in jail without bail & try every one them for treason, convict them & then execute them. Third, rebuild our military, remove the BS rules of engagement & go over to the Middle East & wipe out ISIS, completely annihilate them, leave no one alive! Fourth, maintain a strong military presence over there & take their damn oil to pay for it. Enough of this carnage!

  2. Wish you had an edit feature.

  3. Adrienne says:

    Flying the flag at half staff is inappropriate for this situation.

    Unfortunately, the laws that protected this nut job, also protect real American citizens. However, for him to have the job he had, plus being able to buy weapons, is a bit nuts. Those laws should be looked at.

  4. John M. Berger says:

    “Last night, I heardLGBT leaders blaming Republicans and Christians for the killings.”

    It’s been reported that this Moslem shooter was not only [that] but also a registered Democrat. Why don’t they point the finger at the Moslem sympathizer, also a Democrat, occupying the White House who refuses to recognize Islamic terrorism and therefore the real problem. It will be interesting to see what Trump has to say about this tonight.

  5. After the San Bernardino jihad attack, it took something like two days for Obama to order the flags to half mast.

    Yesterday, Obama ordered the flags to half mast within 12 hours of the massacre of LGBT’s in the Orlando nightclub.

  6. Jon,
    It’s been reported that this Moslem shooter was not only [that] but also a registered Democrat.

    Figures!

  7. Fairest Witness,
    Spot on!

  8. Kid says:

    What Fairest Witness said.

  9. Kid says:

    So, it’s been almost 15 years and the moslems are committing mass murder at random, and all we do is say, dang that happened again. Absolutely no action is being taken to deal with the situation.

    We need at least a strong leader who has a bead on reality and we need to hold Congress’s feet to the fire everyday and let them know their first job is national security. What is happening is insanity.
    Close the mosques, Remove tax free status for moslem organizations for starters. Then everything else FW said, except I don’t understand the flag to half-staff order either.

  10. John M. Berger says:

    According to FOX NEWS Trump will address this @ 2:30 PM EST and they will cover it.

  11. From the link that Ed provided (emphasis mine):

    The pertinent section of the Flag Code says, “by order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possesion, as a mark of respect to their memory.

  12. Silverlady says:

    Does anybody wonder why so many still believe that Bampot is a closet Muslim? It’s easy to answer when he will NEVER, EVER lay blame at their tent for their horrific actions done for their belief in this very dangerous & evil cult. Remember that, on a clip, he said years ago that he would ‘stand with the Muslims’. You can find it on You Tube very easily. In their own countries they throw gays off of tall buildings, with men & stones waiting below, hang them, & even burn them alive. I heard on Fox this morning that this killer had been to Saudi Arabia, our ME ‘friends’ & ‘allies’ (SARC.), twice. Those nice Saudis are big on supporting the madrassas where so much of this hate is spawned. In The Independent the other day there was an article to the effect that 18 Yazidi women captives had been burned to death in iron cages for refusing to have sex with ISIS captors.

    And once again Ht-lery has slept through, or ignored, the 3:00 a.m. phone call. But no matter, there were just gay Americans being murdered. Also, don’t wait for her to say the words ‘Islamic’ or ‘Muslim’ terrorists, ’cause her Svengali boss won’t let her. And that string-puller wants to take away the Kevlar helmets from the police, just like the one that saved that officer from a head shot.
    Heard that this morning on the news.

    Also, remember the word TAQIYYA that I have posted here in the past whenever you see CAIR officials, or their minions, being interviewed. It’s the ‘honorable’ (to them) practice of lying to the giaour, the kuffars, the unbelievers like us. They did their little song & dance yesterday on Fox, & I’m sure all the rest of the msm.

    I will now end my rant about this ‘Cult of Peace’. And if you believe that I have a bridge for sale.

  13. Sparky says:

    What Fairest Witness said except flying the flag at half-mast is inappropriate for ‘average’ citizens per the rules. But, hey, who obey’s rules anymore!? The only reason DingleBarry flew the flag at half-mast was a) it was some of his fellow homosexuals that where murdered and b) one of his mooslem brothers died. Period. That may is evil. Everything he does is rotten to the core.

  14. Sparky says:

    WP needs an edit button or I gotta slow down. *grin* Meant to say “That MAN is evil”.

  15. FB says:

    It’s sad. The Western leaders are sugarcoating everything. I’m tired of it. I want the next president to officially declare war through Congress against Isis and radical Islam to make a point. Then I want anybody supporting Isis within France and the US to be considered traitors and lose their citizenship, and be put in jail for the rest of their lives. Like I’ve said to my friends, I’d rather have France to stay socialist but defend Western values with an iron fist than become a more pro-market, opened borders country that the EU wants accepting people who will destroy you from within.

  16. geeez2014 says:

    FW, Thanks for the input…sadly, it shows how much we will suffer because we won’t do those things you suggest and we all have thought…..and the strict Constitutionalist Conservative Right would be the group griping the most about throwing Americans in jail.

    And yes! Allegiance to ISIS or any terror group must mean IMMEDIATE deportment…as I said in my post…an airplane over ISIS, open the door and shove them out.

    Adrienne…that’s where my feelings go re the flag….inappropriate. Yes, it’s a mass murder, but why shouldn’t ONE murder count as well? And yes, the BIG PROBLEM is the laws protect us all. Which used to be an outstanding American thing…not so much anymore.

    Kid and AOW….great! Except none of what FW said will happen. And I think we all know that, sadly.

    JMB: He and Hillary have already been at it over this…(surprise!) I hope Trump does more than blame Obama (tho I HOPE he piles it on)….it’d be so good if he stayed calm and said the truth…….much of what FairWitness above said…what we’ve all been thinking: CLOSE the country to ANY Muslim for a LOOONG time, and throw anybody with the slightest mention of pro islamist behavior OUT.

    Ed…..I had a gut feeling it was wrong to lower the flag…
    AOW, thanks for copying in those words…I hadn’t had a chance to see Ed’s link yet.

    It is INAPPROPRIATE…..a GAY CLUB (or ANY club) “is principal figures of the United States Government”? REALLY?
    Think anybody in the media will have the guts to point that out? No, just us.

    FB…very well said…yes, lost citizenship, jail…WHATEVER….get them OUT OF HERE.

    The PROBLEM with what FW said (most of which I agree with) is WE WILL NEVER DO IT. Not even TRUMP can get that stuff done. We need to think realistically and FAST.

  17. geeez2014 says:

    Silverlady, I’m assuming you’re being highly sarcastic with “only gays murdered”…
    If you think Zuhdi Jasser is ‘song and dancing’ you need to rethink that.

  18. geeez2014 says:

    As I said in my post, the LGBT leaders are blaming Christians and Republicans for the murder by a Muslim of gays….the murderer’s father says this : “It is up to God to punish homosexuals. It is not up to servants,”
    Think the LGBT leaders will condemn Muslims for that?
    (NEVER)

  19. Silverlady says:

    Absolutely snide sarcastic. In spades!

  20. Mal says:

    The first thing I thought of is how this will embolden Trump tonight when he has scheduled his speech. It’s a no-brainer he will use it to cover his previous statements about border control and stopping all Muslims till we get a handle on things. Then, I thought over one hundred innocent Americans either killed or injured by just one terrorists. And we have how many million Muslims now in our country, mostly males ages 18 – 32, that could be potential terrorists? Do the math!
    It will be havoc at its worst! Putin has to be laughing at our stupidity for not doing what they are.
    NO MUSLIMS OR MOSQUES ALLOWED IN RUSSIA. PERIOD. NO SHARIA LAW. ALL MUST ASSIMILATE AND OBEY RUSSIAN LAWS. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO PC.

  21. Imp says:

    It was the gun’s fault. It had to be. The man who picked it up was a Muslim.

    We are under attack by radical Islam, most of the time by lone wolf attackers like this one- where one law-abiding American citizen with a gun could end the attack and save many lives. But amazingly, Obama’s only impulse is to disarm us. Obama and his socialist cabal want to disarm the innocent victims, leaving us helpless to defend ourselves.

    Obama’s not just purposely importing Muslims, he’s bringing them in at a record pace.

    Obama refuses to secure the border, even though Muslim terror cells are surely entering the USA hidden amongst the hordes of illegals from Mexico and Central America.

    Obama is a “man” who brings in twice the number of immigrants from Muslim nations versus European nations.

    Obama is the man who cut $2.6 billion in funding for U.S. veterans, while at the same time adding $4.5 billion to the budget to relocate Syrian refugees to America.

    Obama is the man who is obsessed with disarming Americans, at the exact same time he arms Muslim terrorists- remember he recently handed back to the terrorist state Iran $150 billion PLUS interest to buy weapons that will be used to murder Americans, Israelis and other Westerners.

  22. Kid says:

    Exactly Mal. And how many will have to be murdered. What will it even take, a nuke going off in a big city? I have no hope the federal government will ever get it right. They should resign or be impeached for not doing their jobs. Maybe Elon Musk is right and we’re all just characters in a video game it’s so ridiculous. Close to 50% approval rating for obama, 50% and more think gun control is the answer.

    obama – sure, but then the FBI director trying to figure out if he was connected to a ‘terror group’. WHO CARES! He was a moslem motivated by islam. I don’t trust a single one. If Christians were running around doing this I sure wouldn’t associate with it or call myself a Christian.

    All the other nonsense being spewed by politicians and media people.

    It’s like keystone cops.

    It would be hilarious if it was funny. And Mal is right, most of the rest of the world is splitting their sides over this ineptness. Especially the 1.5 billion moslems.

  23. Silverlady says:

    From another source:
    _________________

    Here we go: Gateway Pundit says the Phoenix LGBT has officially endorsed Trump.

  24. geeez2014 says:

    I couldn’t agree more with Mal, Imp or Kid….I wish we were all wrong and this scourge was going away on its own.

    Ya, Kid…I keep hearing “possible ties”…WHO CARES?? He called 911 WHILE SHOOTING and pledged alliance with ISIS because THAT”S HOW HE”LL GET TO THOSE 72 VIRGINS, dontchaknow?

  25. Silverlady says:

    Well, they want to ban guns, so how about PRESSURE COOKERS, too. They’re pretty damn dangerous in the wrong hands.

  26. Imp says:

    Meanwhile….we’re all still waiting. After 15 years for that million mooslem march on DC or in NYC where they’re waving American flags and singing God Bless America. What do we get instead? More murder, more Hassan’s’ more San Bernardino’s and more Orlando’s to come. They worry about “backlash”? They haven’t seen any yet…but CAIR..a jihadi front for terrorists keeps raising that dirty, false flag.

    Dylan Roof: “Deep-seated White racist hatred for People of Color.”

    Omar Mateen: “Not all Muslims are like that” aka “NAMALT”

    Got it. Am I ready to be a reporter for CNN now?

  27. bunkerville says:

    Not all LGBT’s are blaming the GOP. This will start the conversation about what is happening to gays in the Muslim world. Put me down today as an optimist.

  28. Mal says:

    Try asking the ISIS or Taliban leaders if they will blow THEMSELVES up for Allah and get the 72 virgins and I bet they’ll say “Who, me? Are you crazy?”

    ;o)

  29. geeez2014 says:

    Bunker…I agree with you. I am VERY optimistic that this horrible killing spree is going to be effective with gays and muslims.

    I had lunch with my sister just now whose lovely manicurist is a devout Muslim. Did you know they’re to read the koran phonetically in Arabic (Eng. letters for Arabic words) even though they don’t understand Arabic? Yes, and she does. I’ve said this MANY times here but nobody wants to know; I hate to be hard on Catholics but the damned truth is most (not true anymore, by the way) Catholics never read the Bible. They were instructed by the priests and nuns in school…
    Most Muslims do NOT know the koran ..their IMAMS convince them it’s all about PEACE!!! ..but these actions are waking people up and I firmly believe that with enough Trump threats, etc., they might just realize they need REFORMATION….
    Like my sis says “I don’t know why they call it RADICAL ISLAM…it’s ALL RADICAL” And she’s right. They just do NOT KNOW IT, most muslims…and they deny it vehemently…until they’re finally clued in…
    I keep saying READ “Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus”…it’s an eye opener and you’ll better understand.

    Did any of you see the Trump speech today?
    What did you think? I only saw five minutes but was thrilled to hear him say NO MORE PEOPLE FROM TERRORIST COUNTRIES.
    HURRAH! I’ll drink to that!

  30. John M. Berger says:

    “Did any of you see the Trump speech today?
    What did you think”

    The speech was fairly well delivered but somewhat lacking in specificity when it comes to B.O.’s non/mis/malfeasance; e.g., the Iran fiasco and:

    FROM AOW:
    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/268282-dhs-ordered-me-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror

  31. Bob says:

    Fairwitness said, “The allegiance to ISIS should be a crime, punishable by long terms in prison. The first amendment does not apply to terrorist associations – nothing free about terrorism.” I agree and disagree with this statement at the same time. Call me liberal if you will.

    During the Civil War, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. He justified this because the nation was in a state of emergency because of wide-spread rebellion. Even though the courts disagreed, Lincoln got away with it.

    From Wikipedia, “A writ of habeas corpus is used to bring a prisoner or other detainee (e.g. institutionalized mental patient) before the court to determine if the person’s imprisonment or detention is lawful.”

    It seems to me that if we can jail people based on their speech, this is a fundamental unconstitutional act. To keep citizens in prison, habeas corpus should be suspended. This opens the gates for anybody and everybody to be jailed for something they say. Of course, I am not lawyer. Perhaps someone else can weigh in on this one.

    However, a non-citizen’s speech is prima facie evidence of a person’s intent to keep them from entering the USA. As a citizen. One of the big mistakes liberals make is trying to grant the same rights and privileges to non-citizens as US citizens possess.

    As a citizen, I should be able to make statements about our President, even up to and including hoping he/she comes to bodily harm without retribution from the government. For example, I should be able say that Obama needs a good ass-whooping without fearing the knock on my door during the middle of the night, or of hearing the sound of black helicopters coming to get me. Today, we all are afraid of saying anything negative about Obama because the government has shown that they WILL persecute those who disagree with government policies. Witness the anti-Tea Party discrimination shown by Obama’s IRS.

    Where do I draw the line for citizens “free speak”? I am not sure we can identify a line. All I know is that we have to pay attention to what people say, and especially what they do to fulfill their statements.

    FW: good comment.

  32. Bob says:

    John Berger sayeth, ““Did any of you see the Trump speech today?
    What did you think””

    I think it was one of the best speeches Trump has given. From what the talking heads said, Trump used a teleprompter part of the time.

    He made no bones about who our enemy is in the war on terrorism. He only called Hillary stupid, once.

  33. Lisa says:

    I don’t understand anyone blaming the GOP or Christians about violence against gays. I never head either group advocate it. On the other hand death is he punishment for gays in Islamic countries .
    Being against gay marriage and calling for the death of homosexuals are 2 different things last time I checked.
    We can’t blame Muslims for anything.but we can blame inanimate object ,(guns). But I am sure he was just another peaceful Muslim led astray by an assault rifle

  34. Kid says:

    Lisa, Along with the Maximum Hypocrisy ribbon, you must also earn the Denial Merit Badge (and a few otehrs) before you can get your full fledged Libtard status card.

  35. I thought I read a comment here from an NBC reporter, but it was IMP. 🙂

  36. A stone cold Jihadist Terrorist shoots up a nightclub killing a bunch of people.
    The discussion turns to gun control and the Christian Right?

    The guy was a registered democrat.
    We need more democrat control.

  37. geeez2014 says:

    John, I agree…good but no cigar. For exactly your reasoning.

    Bob, I absolutely agree with you….very tough to draw a line in the sand about the first amendment…so true about granting rights to foreigners..NO WAY.

    When Trump’s on teleprompter he is better. Only ONE “STUPID” wow! he’s slipping!

    Funny, CNN’s touting the ‘two ways the candidates will approach the terror problem” and, I swear, listening to Hillary and Trump, you’d think ANYBODY, even the most rabid Trump hater, would say “I think Trump is right”. If they don’t hate themselves and their families, of course…and don’t mind their deaths.

    Kid and Lisa: “Denial Merit Badge” Wonderfully put! And Lisa would never make a good lib…she’s far too good a conservative!

    Ed…I’m for it!

  38. jerrydablade says:

    Not even tragedies can manage to pull us together in this country any more. The freaks are out in full force blaming Christians and blaming guns. Now I have to go and buy another. It’s like a ‘cuss jar’ that way for me.

  39. Imp says:

    “Political correctness – which transforms the Islamic world, which has a lot to answer for, from aggressors into innocent victims – functions as a shield for Islamic terrorists, and handcuffs law-abiding citizens prompting them not to report suspicious activities by Muslims for fear of being called racist.

    Trump was especially courageous (and politically incorrect) in pointing out that the Muslim communities in which the terrorists operate know what is going on but don’t say anything. What a contrast with Hillary’s speech today, which focused on reinforcing political correctness – attacking so-called assault rifles, as though guns and not fanatics were the problem, and emphasizing the importance of not alienating Muslims by acknowledging that a large and growing segment of the Islamic world is at war with us.

    At the same time, the progressive enablers of Islamist terror have been busy blaming Christian conservatives for the anti-gay hatred that is a core belief of the Islamists, rooted not only in their religious texts but relentlessly broadcast through their Imams and mosques.

    The Republican outcries against Trump’s call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration from terror zones are disgraceful and dangerous. The attacks by Republican renegades on Trump as a “trickle down racist” are disgusting and dangerous. They serve only one purpose, which is to cripple the only candidate in this presidential race who will actually defend this country and not facilitate its dismantling and destruction.”

    BB

  40. Kid says:

    What is the difference between islamists and gangbanger thugs who accept no criticism of thier violent activites ?

    I can’t thiknk of any.

  41. Imp says:

    Q. What do you call a Muslim who has a mixed flock of sheep and goats?

    A. Bisexual.

    Q. Why don’t Muslim schools teach Driver Ed and Sex Ed on the same day?

    A. It’s too hard on the camel.

  42. Imp says:

    Wise up Gays. The evangelicals may refuse to make you birthday cakes. But the islamists will give you an acid bath, throw you off the top of a 14 story building, and then blast you to smithereens with their guns. Honestly, and obviously, you’re better off voting Republican. You can always go to Whole Foods to get your birthday cakes.

  43. Kid says:

    And just so it is clear, True conservatives don’t care what you do as long as we don’t have to pay for it. We are just as interested in getting rid of the republicans that want to control people as you are. We are conservatives.

  44. Baysider says:

    Re: blaming Republicans and Christians
    Dennis Prager tells a story of the chief rabbi in a major Czarist Russian city. When a powerful local government official was assassinated the police came to interview him.
    “Oh, we’re sure you Jews are hiding something and know about this killer.”
    “Really, I know nothing.”
    “Well, we’re going to have to round up all you Jews and interrogate everyone.”
    “So, because I know nothing you are going to round up all the Jews and chimney sweeps?” “Why the chimney sweeps?”
    “Why the Jews?

    Or, as the police inspector said in Casablanca, the usual suspects. They blame them because they would like to make them into actual suspects, and hope the ignorati will fall for it. Some do.

  45. The ex-wife of Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen claimed Monday that she believed he was homosexual — as it was revealed that he frequented the gay nightclub where he staged the nation’s worst massacre in modern times.

    Sitora Yusufiy, who was married to Mateen in 2009 for three months, made the shocking claim on Brazilian television station SBT Brazil.

    Her fiancé, Marco Dias, speaking in Portuguese on her behalf, said that Yusufiy believed that Mateen had “gay tendencies” and that his father had called him gay in front of her. Dias also claimed “the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media.”

  46. Mal says:

    i guess he no longer could live the lie and wanted to take out as many of his ilk he could and smoked ’em! It makes sense, Vrag.

  47. geeez2014 says:

    Vrag, the ONLY reason the FBI could have asked her not to mention this was because it takes the onus off blaming Islam quite so passionately and ideologically.
    A friend emailed me last night telling me she’d spoken to a Military commander who told her the rumor started immediately that this guy was gay, which interested me but then made me curious why and how the military would have known this

  48. Mal says:

    Good point, z. It makes one wonder what ELSE they know but aren’t sayin’.

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