Hippies, Pigs and Burning Flags…then and NOW

black lives matter

In the 2000’s, I think it’s interesting that we’ve got Black Lives Matter, we’ve got new American flag burning jerks, we’ve got an anti-law enforcement mentality again, we had an aging hippie socialist running for president…..etc etc.  And we have Trump.

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And, In the Sixties, we had anti-law enforcement (Calling cops “pigs”, remember?), we had Black Power, we had American flag burning jerks, we had hippies galore…………and who won the presidency in that time of Kent State’s deaths and Woodstock**?

                                                                 NIXON!

I’m thinking THE CONSERVATIVE just might have a chance based on that~   Interesting concept, don’t you think?

** isn’t it amazing when you can’t remember what you had for lunch but can remember every single lyric of a song you knew in 1969? 🙂  And didn’t we have THE BEST MUSIC?   Whatever happens in November, we have to learn to…………CARRY ON.  You’re going to end up listening to that whole album,  believe me!  

Z

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50 Responses to Hippies, Pigs and Burning Flags…then and NOW

  1. And Nixon wasn’t a conservative either.

  2. Kid says:

    Good and interesting Point Z. I wonder if Trump’s “law and order” president message was inspired by this parallel.

    And I have that tune on my playlist. Yes – imo, the 60’s and 70’s was the best time for music. Very new and experimental. Lots of choices – today not so much. Today’s ‘rock’ music sounds like country. In fact most stuff sounds like country music.

  3. Kid says:

    Ed, I don’t think there are many conservatives around anywhere, least of all politics. Everybody wants to control everyone else.

  4. geeez2014 says:

    Ed, the country has two choices at any election and he’s ‘the conservative’ for the purposes of this post; And he was more conservative than his opponent. I think the point’s an important one, and an optimistic one.
    We cannot have HILLARY…no matter how conservative (or not) a candidate from the other side is.

    Kid,I linked to Woodstock and Four Dead in Ohio, too….and sat and listened to the whole album on line.. we forget how VERY VERY GOOD that stuff was. SO good. Carry On is a very favorite of mine. That album is fabulous.

    And yes, it feels like they want to control us but, mostly, I think it’s a big country and there has to be rules and they feel more like controlling than they’re meant to be.

    LET ME ASK ALL OF YOU SOMETHING (THIS SHOULD BE A POST, MAYBE?):

    JUST HOW SMALL DO YOU THINK GOV’T CAN GET ANYMORE WITH A COUNTRY THIS SIZE, WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE? DESCRIBE HOW YOU’D SEE THAT…

  5. Kid says:

    Z, First off, when I saw they want to control too much, I’m talking about social issues. There were no social issues in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence – as my comparison reference point. We do need laws, yes, we just don’t need any regards social issues imo. Legalize all the drugs for example like they were pre-1920 or so. I don’t care what people do to themselves but we know the war on drugs is nothing more than a revenue source for government.

    How small should government get? The Federal government needs to only be concerned with national security and interstate issues. All else should be up to the states.

    I realize we’re absurdly too far beyond any of this for it to even be a conversation, so I just write it to clarify.

  6. John M. Berger says:

    @Kid,
    “I don’t care what people do to themselves”
    I guess that I don’t either, to the extent that I’m not stuck with the bill(s) incurred by [their] personal irresponsibility.

  7. Kid says:

    @JMB, Yes, I should have added – as long as I don’t have to pay for it. If they end up in jail, I have to pay for it, so those activities are automatically excluded unless we decide to make them legal. And I would add as long as no victim is abused in the process, but that’s fundamental to our system of laws so that’s taken care of too.

    That addition takes care of what we need to worry about vs not I think.

  8. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, thanks…social issues, YES. And yes, sadly, we’re too far gone.

    JMB: that’s what my husband used to say…we will get stuck with bills, though.

    ON ANOTHER SUBJECT: I just saw on video the Muslim man who attacked Trump at the DNC last night…”Mr. Trump, do you even have a constitution? I will send you one” His son died protecting other soldiers and got a medal for it…wanted to be a military attorney but died. it was pretty powerful, and Trump has been clumsy, as usual, in describing what he feels our country needs to protect itself, but it was SO written by Hillary supporters….so sickening to see this father’s sad plight used like that.

  9. Make a distinction between fed and state.
    Murder, theft, etc, are not in the Constitution.
    Treason, counterfeiting and piracy are.

  10. Kid says:

    Ed, One example. obamacare was pushed on the states from the Fed. That wouldn’t happen in my world. Some state could do that if they wanted and good luck keeping your tax paying citizens in your state. Beyond that take a look at the list of federal departments.

    Murder, theft – I think I clarified that with the ‘as long as I don’t have to pay for it’ unless I miss your point.

    All academic of course.

  11. Mal says:

    Well, as I mentioned in an earlier blog, both parties have moved to the Left so that now the GOP is what the Dems WERE during JFK’s reign. As for last night, I simply couldn’t watch the witch (with a “B”) and instead watched the Angels beat Kansas City in the bottom of the 9th. That was much more enjoyable! As for the music of the ’60’s, it wasn’t for me, either. It represents the time of rebellion, pot smoking, and moral decline, beginning in 1963 at Cal Berkley by a student named Mario Servio, then followed at Kent State U. and others around the country. Things simply have gone downhill ever since.
    Aren’t you sorry you asked, Z?

    ;o)

  12. geeez2014 says:

    Still curious, because I think the point is worth consideration…..whether we think everybody’s truly conservative or not (which is, basically, what’s destroying the Conservatives (and got Romney a loss),…this constant “he’s not conservative enough” mantra…we have to get past that and band together like the damned Dems do)….
    The point worthy of consideration is:

    Nixon, the obvious Conservative in comparison, won in spite of running in REALLY wild times, loose times, HIGHLY dopey-liberal times…..we’re living them again, but we have to now throw muslim terrorism into the mix, which usually makes people go toward the conservatives….DOES TRUMP HAVE A BETTER CHANCE THAN WE THINK , CONSIDERING THAT NIXON ACTUALLY WON BACK IN THE HIPPIE ETHER?

  13. Kid says:

    It seems two important things that are different are that we have a lot more takers than makers these days and we’ll have a lot more illegals voting.

  14. fredd says:

    I was around in the 1960’s. The music was OK, but not ‘the greatest.’ I would give that nod to the 1980’s. Case in point: ‘yummy yummy yummy I got love in my tummy…’: The Ohio Express – and in the words of Greg Kihn, ‘they don’t write ’em like that anymore.’

    Or, I could perhaps cite the Kingsman’s ‘Louie Louie’ lyrics, pure brilliance. And who could forget ‘Sugar, ah honey honey, you are my candy girl, and you got me wanting you.’ by The Archies, I tell you they just don’t write ’em like that anymore.

  15. Kid, sometimes I think my phone is in Asperger Mode and I don’t communicate well.
    Yea. It’s the phone.
    Murder and theft are actually social issues.
    They are not in the Constitution but not unimportant. Abortion also is murder.
    These are best left to the states, which of course zllows for migration as you point out, or local control.
    And yes, theoretical.

  16. Kid says:

    Ed, yea, those things cost us money and are not victimless so fall out of the scope.

  17. Kid says:

    Fredd, You forgot Bang Your Gong by T-Rex

  18. Fredd, you left out In-a-gada-davida, which was put to it’s best use in Manhunter, the first Hannibal Lecter movie.

  19. geeez2014 says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/debra-messing-apologizes-blake-shelton-064040068.html

    Now idiot readers have to see the IMPOSSIBLE, the WORST, the MOST NIGHTMARISH SCENARIO on the internet homepages; ….that an actor would even HINT at liking Trump! So this actress has to APOLOGIZE to an actor (or singer?) because she said HE SUPPORTS TRUMP! Oh, the HUMILIATION to suggest that someone could possibly like TRUMP! She is so sorry!

    I’m actually laughing out loud here…..THIS is the CRAP AMerica sees….
    of course, Shelton, the actor?, says back “Hey, I said I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER CHOICE ACROSS ThE BOARD”, I don’t support ANYBODY, but I admire Trump’s ability to say what he thinks, which is a lost art”.

    Ha…sounds like he probably WILL vote Trump….but Debra Messing is SO SORRY she’d EVER think that a Hollywood type could support someone like TRUMP who’ll “make you lose your RIGHTS” HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

  20. Kid says:

    Z, I’m waiting for someone to top this obama quote “clinton is the most qualified for president in the history of the country”.

    They don’t hold back.

  21. geeez2014 says:

    fredd! thank GOODNESS they don’t write ’em like that anymore!!!

    http://www.thetoptens.com/best-bands-60s/
    I’m thinking these bands trump the ’80’s folks…

    http://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-80s-bands/ These 80’s groups are good, but not the Sixties!!

    I hate to admit it , but I have always loved the Bee Gees..>Saturday Night Fever is SO good….SIXTIES again.

  22. Imp says:

    @Fredd…I’d rather remember the Four Tops, the Temptations, The 5th. Dimension, The Foundations, Mama’s and Papa’s ( who invented a totally new sound ) then the 4 Seasons. And of course those California guys who nailed it all together….The Beach Boys….Dylan….Beatles, the Rolling Stones….man…they were great tunes and beats.

    And KID…..country is the biggest selling and has the largest following of all genres.

  23. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, imagine? Yup…..I don’t think anybody can top that LIE. And the egomaniac even said something like “she is the most qualified nominee ever – including him (Obama) and her husband Bill.”

    NO HOLDS BARRED!! LIES GALORE….

  24. Kid says:

    Better than George Washington I’ll have you know !

    60’s over 80’s Oh yes.

    I did like the BeeGees too though. I like MJ’s Thriller album too.

  25. geeez2014 says:

    Thriller is FABULOUS…right!! I can’t listen to Saturday Night Fever sitting down! Or Thriller!

  26. fredd says:

    Kid: what about ‘Horse with No Name’ by America, or any America tune (Tin Man, Sister Golden Hair), all bad. T-Rex’s Bang A Gong wasn’t all that bad, but Power Station’s remake was way better. And who could forget the worse remake ever, “OOGA CHOCKA OOGA CHOCKA OOGA OOGA OOGA CHOCKA” (‘Hooked on a feeling’ by BJ Thomas, wrecked by Blue Suede)

  27. Kid says:

    Fredd, Now I have to mention Spill The Wine. Yea, America was mind numbing. So was Bread, Seals and Crofts, etc.

  28. geeez2014 says:

    My band did a lot of Bread; haven’t thought of that band in YEARS!

  29. Imp says:

    Illegal aliens were prominently featured in Monday night’s lineup. Francisca, Carla, and Astrid all managed to get into the convention hall to speak, which was a reported violation of Section 8 U.S. Code 1324 on the part of the Democratic Party. The speakers all seemed to feel that they SHOULD be allowed to stay in the country, but they did not really make much of a case for WHY.

    Don’t worry, Hillary said to the illegals. If you’re worrying about deportation, Hillary will now do the worrying for you.

  30. geeez2014 says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hillary-clinton-economic-proposals-analysis-000000363.html

    Moody’s is very respected; this is bad news. Economy was one thing I thought I could count on Trump with. Sadly, cutting taxes without revenue is bad for the economy….tariff will be bad. UGH. Businesses don’t like Trump, either….they don’t like NAFTA being undone because there are so many plants and factories in MX, for example…and they hate the tariff idea.

    I’m sad about this one………I think Clinton probably listens to experts a bit better and Trump just plain doesn’t. I’m thinking he’s had these ‘big sweeping’ changes in his mind for years and he needs to rethink. I don’t think he does that. 😦

    If 45% tariff on Chinese goods, we’d fall into a recession, according to the experts. I hope he’s seeing this and addresses it, not just slams Moody’s every day till Sunday

  31. geeez2014 says:

    Sadly, the story above leads the headlines on homepages today

  32. Kid says:

    IMP, In the meantime, uniformed police were not allowed in the DNC convention. hilrod hates police and doesn’t want military people in uniform in the white house either.

    Z, cutting taxes is generally good for the economy. But yes, the crony capitalists like Apple and GE, GM, and many other large companies love cheap labor.

  33. John M. Berger says:

    I wish that someone would ask Trump to explain how his trade plans compare/contrast to the SMOOT-HAWLEY TARRIF ACT of 1930 which is said to have exacerbated the Great Depression. If [his] plans are sound it would be a great opportunity to quell some of the fears I’m hearing about. If his plans aren’t sound then, well………………………………………………………………………………

  34. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, I was also wondering if Moody’s took into account FREE COLLEGE, or FREE PRESCHOOL FOR EVERYBODY or all the other FREEBIES Hillary’s promising…..

    I heard about that “no military uniforms at the White House or the convention!” See, if we had an honest media, EVERYBODY’d hear it, and form judgment about it, not just the truth mongers on conservative sites.

    ALSO: They said last night that FLAGS suddenly sprung up on the DNC floor not so much out of patriotism as was said on the news, but to HIDE THE BERNIE FANS STILL MAKING A FUSS….There were also people yelling WIKI LEAKS WIKI LEAKS as Hillary spoke; cameras never approached THEM, of course. .The flags were circling anarchists, etc……No news covered that. But FOX, of course.

    AMERICA’S PROBLEM IS THE MEDIA…IF MORE PEOPLE KNEW THE TRUTH, HILLARY COULDN’T EVEN BE CONSIDERED AS PRESIDENT.

  35. geeez2014 says:

    JMB; Excellent question. He’s probably never heard of that act; I SURE HAVEN”T!
    IS that one FDR was FOR? Because MANY honest economists say he exacerbated the depression length.

  36. geeez2014 says:

    Zika virus in Florida….only a few people. But it’s HERE.
    Do they realize ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION can cause this influx? I could be wrong; people don’t know if they have the virus and can come in legally after travel, but… we KNOW that TB is back on the rise because of illegals, pure and simple.
    WHo knows what else?
    Does that make me xenophobic …do I hate foreigners because I want to protect my own citizens?

  37. Mal says:

    When I posted the above about music during the 60’s and the Hippie era, I was referring to THEIR music, but was forgetting about all the others mentioned above. My mistake. Actually, I was and still am a lover of instrumental Jazz and that was mainly what I listened to in the ’40’s thru the ’80’s.
    Sadly, today I rarely listen to much music, or even to the radio. However, i still enjoy listening to my Oscar Peterson C.D’s. when in my car.

  38. John M. Berger says:

    Z,
    Re: SMOOT-HAWLEY
    This act was debated when I minored Econ. many years ago. I would, certainly think that a Wharton School grad would be familiar with it or, at least, would have studied it. Anyway there are a plethora of articles concerning it. Just one example:
    http://americastradepolicy.com/did-the-smoot-hawley-tariff-cause-the-great-depression/#.V5vASZD6tok

  39. I didn’t like the 60’s when I lived through them, and I don’t like the 60’s reloaded either. 😦

  40. geeez2014 says:

    AOW, you got the essence of my post but NOBODY has said if they agree with me that if NIXON had a chance during THAT overly liberal era, could that mean Trump could win today?

    (If he’d just SHUT UP)

    Mal, I adore Oscar Petersen and saw him once in Munich…I was SO proud of our American until they mentioned he’s Canadian that night! That was a dream night, believe me….and he played with a few fingers unable to play due to either neuropathy or something..>I can’t remember. Amazing.
    I adore 40’s music, too…and sang mostly that in clubs around here when I was doing that….but the SIXTIES, like the links in my post, ARE SO GOOD.

    JMB..thanks…. will look into that.

  41. To answer your question, there is a similarity between the two eras.
    Humphrey was promising to carry on LBJ liberalism.
    Radicals protesting and challenging American Ideals.
    Law and Order.

  42. Kid says:

    Ed, again, I wonder if this is where Trump got his law and order meme from.

    But otherwise, if you look throughout history in the USA, (thinkiing the taming of the west for example), the majority of people wanted law and order above most other things. It’s a valid construct.

  43. Imp says:

    Why do I bother?

  44. geeez2014 says:

    Ed…so, to extrapolate on it…maybe the ‘conservative’ (which has to just mean “not the progressive” these days) CAN win.

    Kid, “this”….what/where is “this” thing that Trump got his law and order meme from? I think people have always wanted law and order, as you say….

    Imp…. not feeling the love? I don’t know what more you need or want!? Kid and you have had a good conversation! I enjoy reading the exchanges. I don’t respond to everyone, particularly when I just plain agree….if you’re looking for arguments, you’re in the wrong place 🙂 xx

  45. Imp says:

    I feel like fighting Z…is all…LOL

  46. Kid says:

    IMP, Whadda ya want to fight about? I’ll give it a go.

  47. Imp says:

    Kid…let’s roll…you first…I triple dog dare ya.

  48. Kid says:

    IMP, Ok. I’m thinking these days that some people are simply made to produce and some people are made to be loafers who take from the producers. It is the natural order of things. Why should we as makers roil agian the takers? They’re just being honest to their natural habitat, just as we hunter-gatherer-producers are being honest to our natural inclinations.

    Let’s celebrate the takers, for without them, we makers would have no one to serve.

  49. geeez2014 says:

    Imp, that’s okay…..when I feel like fighting, I go directly AOW’s blog and find Ducky; he’s just sitting there asking for it. I LOVE THAT!

  50. Mal says:

    Z, the problem Oscar Peterson had with his hands or fingers that you mentioned might’ve been connected to what finally killed him. He had a stroke a while before he died probably from being a bit portly so it could’ve started early on with his hands. It must’ve been torture for him when the stroke left him partially paralyzed, rendering him unable to play.

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