Trump and Child Care…and MARK LEVIN!?

How’d you all like Trump’s big government program for free child care, etc?   Pretty darned unRepublican, but he did warn us during the primaries about something like this, something Ivanka was cooking up.

childcareHow’s he going to pay for it?  Does he really believe in this or is he just pandering for Democrat women?  Or even some Republican mothers?  He talked about paying for it (it’s billions) with what he’ll gain from savings in other areas….have we heard THAT before? 🙂  But he remains steadfast that costs will be absorbed somehow.

ALSO:  Mark Levin is often completely unglued, to the point that his screaming worries me and I have to turn him off for fear he’ll have a heart attack and I don’t want to hear it LIVE!…BUT…today he was MORE THAN UNGLUED about this child care proposal… Rightfully so?….



Did Trump just lose a lot of Republicans’ votes because of this?  Did he gain enough entitlement-loving Dems to cancel that out?

Do you think companies ought to provide childcare since, as Ivanka rightly says, our society has changed and 70% of mothers are working mothers?    Does it really, as Hillary said, ‘take a village’?

What do you think?


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52 Responses to Trump and Child Care…and MARK LEVIN!?

  1. Like most campaign promises, this shows the mindset of the candidate.
    We knew he’s not a conservative. He’s just not Hillary.
    What did Levin think? Was he surprised?
    Whatever the proposal, it still has to be passed in Congress (in theory).


  2. fredd says:

    Trump’s just putting this out there, and knows that it will never pass a Republican House, and will likely not pass a Republican Senate. The bill will likely not even make it out of committee.

    And I can’t listen to Mark Levin. He’s like Glenn Beck on steroids.


  3. bocopro says:

    No, don’t agree with “it takes a village.” But it DOES take a family, that rare and elusive endangered species fast disappearing from the Murkan landscape.

    In fact, I take ANYthing ANY politician says with suspicion. Trump has begun to shed his appeal of tell-it-like-it-is-and-let-the-chips-fall-where-they-will and taken on the masque of politician to court minority and female votes.

    Ergo, I believe nothing he says and hit either the “Mute” or “Channel” button when he appears on my screen, just as I do with Soetoro and did with Dubya.


  4. I’m not at all surprised, earlier in the campaign he was asked what he thought the top three legitimate functions of the Federal government are. He gave two answers within a about a minute, but stated respectively: “Well, the greatest function of all by far is security for our nation. I would also say health care, I would also say education.” and “Security. I say all top three are security, but health care, education, would be probably three that would be top.” For good measure, he also added housing, providing great neighborhoods in his next response.

    At least he got one of them correct.


  5. Kid says:

    Based on every campaign I’ve ever heard, I don’t believe what any one who is running says. It’s all marketing. “Takes a village” is a very communist idea.


  6. geeez2014 says:

    “It takes a village” is a very communist idea, Kid… and it says “we need something in lieu of families”…..which is a very unhealthy idea.
    BUT, many of our ‘families’ ARE falling apart.
    SO many mothers work that immigrants who don’t speak much English and haven’t our American spirit are raising our children, mostly spoiling them rotten…(although I know VERY good nannies, by the way, from Salvador, MX, etc.).
    I’m so grateful I didn’t have ‘weekend parents’….
    IT SHOULD NEVER TAKE OTHERS TO RAISE OUR OWN CHILDREN…but society HAS changed and there’s no getting around that.
    Even as a woman myself, I greatly resent working mothers of very small children…I so often think “if you weren’t going to raise them, why did you have children?” because this hasn’t often a good outcome. Tho I know there are exceptions…AND there are children whose mothers were home and are loons, so…

    fredd….I wonder if that’s the deal… it LOOKS good to women , largely Dems, to say FREE CHILDCARE, so he MIGHT get votes, but he knows it’ll never pass. Dare I say “Will he pass this be Executive Order because he’ll be so ticked he didn’t get his way? He couldn’t fulfill his promise?” 🙂
    Levin is NOT Beck…and doesn’t act like Beck. I trust Levin, I know he’s terribly bright. Beck nauseates me.

    CI…makes my teeth grind…he just doesn’t KNOW

    Ed: Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto…… total agreement with you. I think Levin is like me; he keeps HOPING he’ll hear something good from Trump….


  7. geeez2014 says:

    NOW “IT”experts are worrying about how Russia could interfere with our election.
    We have cockroach terrorists spreading across the country hoping to hurt us.
    WHAT HAPPENED? These horrible entities who wish us harm ARE WINNING. We’re scared, we’re swatting away at bugs which shouldn’t be an issue.

    Is it because they don’t fear America anymore?

    If there’s legit reason to believe Russia could interfere, let’s do ONE PERSON, ONE PAPER VOTE….then Hillary’s folks can’t interfere, either…nobody can run to another voting poll becaUSe “I live too far and can’t get home in time….can I VOTE HERE?”

    TRUST is something that’s been a hallmark of America..the goodness in our country actually warranted it… we, at least, could trust that our votes counted, now I worry about computer rigging, etc….
    I thought our country could keep us safe HERE on our shores, from terror, now we know it can’t.

    We can’t trust ourselves to take really good care of ourselves…..or am I just highly negative on this subject?


  8. geeez2014 says:

    And, come to think of it, I think this is ONE place Trump COULD do a better job than others…I TRUST that he’d do what he could about voting AND terrorism in America.
    He’s so far less into POLITICAL CORRECTNESS….i hope I can TRUST that what he says he believes, anyway!


  9. Imp says:

    “I thought our country could keep us safe HERE on our shores, from terror, now we know it can’t.”

    Yes we can…just find a willing POTUS who has the guts to halt all migrants from countries that house terrorists. Profiling….like in Israel is what we need to do. To hell with the “raacisssss” rot and the PC.


  10. Sparky says:

    I had the same reaction as the good folks above: WHAT THE …. ! But Hubby listened to the proposal calmly, then to the pundits. Hubby, a true Libertarian-Conservative, thinks it might be a good idea. I think what the proposal entails is a tax credit, not a give away program like food stamps or something, to those that are Family Friendly in their businesses. There’s no mandate to have to participate. Just a carrot to do so. I dunno what my feelings are now. I wish gubberment would stay out of everybody’s business, stop making a lot of things illegal, and just have a flat 10% tax. Period. But I don’t always get what I want. 🙂


  11. Mal says:

    An old saying comes to mind. “Before you can make chicken soup, first you have to catch your chicken.” That, I believe, is what Trump is doing with the child care bit, and using his daughter to campaign for it. In order for him to succeed with all he wants to accomplish, he first must get elected, and when you are dealing with the thinking of the majority of our people today, these type messages resonate well among the populace. He wants to get elected. He is close. He is closing in on his opponent. Ergo, say anything that will sway the undecided.


  12. Sparky, I also was thinking mandate until I read his proposal and saw a tax exemption. But it does appear to be a mandate for maternity leave on the employers. And tax breaks still cost the rest of us money even though it’s our money that they were taking.


  13. Silverfiddle says:

    The screaming conservatives are right: Trump’s proposal is not conservative, but neither is most of the crap they champion, which is why I am neither a conservative nor a Republican.

    There is nothing inherently conservative about: Invading other nations, lowering taxes, defending mortgage deductions for luxury homes and vacation houses.

    Movement conservatives specialize in taking unpopular stands. A smarter group of people would figure out what people want, and start offering solutions bases in conservative principles as much as possible.


  14. Mal says:

    Yeah, S/F. That WOULD be a smarter move. I guess they just don’t want to make false promises.
    But it would get them elected, wouldn’t it? Can you say “a conundrum”?


  15. Silverfiddle says:

    Mal: Conservatives missed a big opportunity to save DC charter schools.

    I pitched an e-mailed idea to Bill Bennett and other big cons on how conservatives could go into those neighborhoods, get some entrepreneurship going, roll up their sleeves and work side-by-side with minorities to save those schools and educate those kids.

    Terrorist groups like the Taliban, Hamas, etc do it all the time in the Muslim world; it’s how they get the people on their side.

    Not a peep of response and I never heard any movement conservative even mention anything close. All they did was point to Obama shutting those charter schools down and using it as political propaganda (which gained them zero black votes, btw).

    They’re all a bunch of ivory tower pricks having hissy fits at one another over who is more pure. No wonder republicans and conservatives are so hated. If they would stop spouting theories on creative destruction and actually roll up their sleeves and do something for a constituency whose votes they covet, they might actually turn the tide in this nation. (I laugh bitterly and choke down bile as I write this, and conclude (Yeah, right…).


  16. Hillary already promised to cap working mom’s child-care expenses at 10% and give working families a $14K per child tax credit. How can Trump’s plan be any worse?


  17. ps – No one asked how SHE was going to “pay for it”.


  18. pps – Under Hillary, day care costs would go up so as to pay workers a minimum $15 and hour…


  19. Mal says:

    You are right again, S/F. They keep shooting themselves in the foot. That’s why Trump keeps changing his political advisors, trying to zero in on the right message to get elected.
    As for JFK, I certainly didn’t vote for him, but will give him credit for standing up to Russia when they tried to bring missiles to Cuba and were intercepted by the U.S. Naval blockade that ended up succeeding with the Russians turning around and heading home. During the ordeal I remember JFK speaking to the American people, who were nervous and worried about maybe starting another war, trying to calm them down. He succeeded. I give him credit for that. He was a womanizer (remember Marilyn Monroe) like so many other of our presidents (FDR, Slick Willy, et al). I guess it all goes with the territory, huh?


  20. bocopro says:

    “He was a womanizer (remember Marilyn Monroe) like so many other of our presidents (FDR, Slick Willy, et al). I guess it all goes with the territory, huh?”

    Just before I retired, one of my students in technical writing wrote a paper on that for his sociology class (pre-req for teacher’s license). Wanted my advice on grammar, structure, diction, and so on.

    Basic idea was that we want leaders with energy and drive, lusty men with great ambition and great appetites. Sometimes we have to ignore the fact that those traits also apply to sensual matters, and a man of powerful drives may have just as powerful needs. In many countries it’s actually customary for men in power to have both wives and mistresses. It’s a given and not considered a weakness, only a human flaw. Far better that a president be a womanizer than a gambler or a drinker.

    Fine paper. I helped him fix some of the errors, such as faulty parallels, weakly expressed examples, and general flow. I’d have given him an A- on it. Think he got an A+ from his soc prof.

    Started with the concept of a nebbish or a milquetoast trying to run the country and whether that’s what we want representing us to the rest of the world. I knew his soc prof and what she would tolerate in terms of diction and rhetoric. She was very prim and schoolmarmish, but agreed with his thesis.


  21. SF – Idea’s like those are exactly what we need. And you’re right, terrorist organizations [especially Hamas and Hezbollah] are widely popular in their areas of control, precisely because they provide care and services that the governments there [much less the citizenry] can’t, or won’t


  22. Bob says:

    Listening to Levin makes me change station. His thought process is black or white, and I don’t believe the world is that way, nor do people want things that way.

    Today, I listened to part of Trump’s speech to the New York Economic Club about his economic policies, and I liked them a lot. His plan to drop corporate taxes to 15% is right on! The current confiscatory corporate tax rate (up to 39% in some states) chokes our international competitivity while foreign goods are imported without commensurate taxation.

    For example, when a US company exports products to Value Added Tax countries, the price of those products have that 39% tax built in, and when they are sold in the foreign VAT country, the VAT is added to the price of the US goods. When foreign nations export their stuff to us, they do not charge the Value Added Taxes as their goods leave their country. The US government does not charge imported goods corporate taxes. As you can see, this forces a tremendous gap in our competitiveness.

    I favor the child care proposal, knowing that it will cost a lot of money. I just don’t want government child care centers. It costs almost $1,000 per month for pre-school child care. The bulk of the poverty today is the result of young, single parent women who cannot get good jobs, much less afford child care for their kids so they can work. As we all agree, jobs and working are the only way out of poverty for these people, and I think Trump’s program deserves attention.

    How does the child care program get paid? For one, we can kill the HeadStart program which is nothing more than a baby sitting service. There are lots of state programs, too. Here in Georgia we have pre-school for all kids paid from the Lottery money. Maybe there’s some state programs that can be wound into a federal program.


  23. Kid says:

    Excellent thoughts Bob. If things are today like they were when I was a poor Black child, the system makes it exponentially harder for you to pull yourself up to the next rung the less you have.

    Some people are life long takers and don’t even want that next rung, but many more are not.

    Programs to help those people to get to a level where they can build upon their situation are exactly what is needed. First off Mfg and distribution jobs. These are the jobs low education people generally do. Provide training and job placement. Then the wages have to be greater than the unemployment or welfare benefit. I’ll stop here as the idea seems pretty straightforward.


  24. Mal says:

    Bocopro, what you say about lusty men with great ambition and great appetites makes perfect sense. One could say Carter was the complete opposite given his miserable legacy. Agreed. Better the womanizer.


  25. geeez2014 says:

    Sparky, your hubby gives me hope…I DO think our society is so sad with moms working and having less-than-stellar childcare because they can’t afford it….if he’s read and understood it and isn’t averse, and he’;s libertarian, I am hoping it is a good idea….

    Ed, I think it’s a mandate on employers, too………or what’s the point?

    SF..I consider lowering taxes conservative.

    And I agree, CI is right, too; ..Hamas, other groups, they HELP PEOPLE TO WIN THEM OVER.
    But they GIVE….entitlements….actually, sheer gifts. So they win folks over.
    It’d be better for us to TEACH AND LEAD in the inner cities….I love that idea….lead to entrepreneurship; lead to caring about yourself, not having kids out of wedlock, no drugs….
    WHERE HAS OBAMA BEEN ON THIS, STUFF HE REALLY COULD HAVE MADE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN? Utter silence from him…other than when he’s race baiting…or having his pundits like Eric Holder race bait.

    Bob…I wonder how much HeadStart costs us every year….I love your ideas and am glad for your Trump overview on the economic speech…I, too, believe lowering corporate taxes will be a good thing; Of course, the CNN/MSNBC folks will, again, say “This is for HIMSELF” which I always laugh at; as if someone’s going to say this ONLY for himself? NUTS

    Kid “Then the wages have to be greater than the unemployment or welfare benefit.” THEREIN LIES THE HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE PROBLEM, BINGO, Kid.

    Then the wages have to be greater than the unemployment or welfare benefit

    Vrag, Hillary RARELY gets asked how SHE’ll pay for ANYTHING..Heck, when do Democrats get asked THAT? But let a Republican offer some seemingly ‘entitlement’ package and HOW ARE YOU PAYING?
    Heck, the whole Democrat platform is giveaways..(I exaggerate but not much)…and nobody asks!


  26. Bob says:

    Kid: Thanks for the comment. One of the things that will bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA is that radical decrease in corporate taxes. Trump wants to use the lower corporate tax to help US corporations bring their foreign held cash back to the USA, and with the lower corporate tax rate, it will be an easier decision for US corporations to stay home.

    Competition in manufacturing world-wide is not only in labor rates, but also in the investment of capital. Modern manufacturing operations require high degrees of automation, and this requires large investments of capital. Right now, capital is cheap, and that fact, along with a lessening of corporate taxes, can bring lots of manufacturing to the USA. We can compete on the capital level, and we can take costs out of American products by lowering the taxes. Business will boom!

    It will be YOUGE!


  27. Bob says:

    Z: I googled the Headstart program and the 2014 budget was over $8.5 Billion dollars. That’s a good start on funding child care.


  28. Bob says:

    Z: said, “”the CNN/MSNBC folks will, again, say “This is for HIMSELF”

    Taxable income: Rate
    Less than $75,000 12%
    More than $75,000 but less than $225,000 25%
    More than $225,000 33%
    And that’s it.

    he will play games with deductibles, putting a cap on deductibles for the richest. It doesn’t sound like he is feathering his nest.


  29. geeez2014 says:

    BOB! it doesn’t sound it to US, but they’ve already been saying this is why he wants to lower corporate taxes…they just don’t LISTEN, they don’t care about TRUTH.
    And yes, that should make a very good start toward funding child care, which I’m ideologically dead set against, but have to admit that times are so different, and worse, and our kids deserve better…

    A friend at lunch today said there was some PBS special which featured a small town in the SOuth where Syphillis and Gonorrhea were rampant among 12 year olds….she said the saddest thing was watching a meeting with the parents, pastors, and the school Admin….the parents literally didn’t get it” NOT MY KID…” NO responsibility on themselves, NONE on their kids…and we wonder what’s happening to America?
    Meanwhile, the states selling legal marijuana are RAKING it in and our kids are more and more stoners…and there’s proof they buy it in Colorado, for example, where they apparently just upped the amount you can buy (and you can go back the next day and buy that amount again as many times as you want)…and then they go home and sell it.
    And parents, if you saw the picture, are shooting heroin and drugged out of their minds….women/mothers in basements strung out on crack.

    THIS IS AMERICA? This is John and Abigail ADAMS? This is a future? WHAT THE…….??


  30. Silverfiddle says:

    Z: Lowing taxes is not inherently conservative, if you are going off of traditional conservative theory of Burke and Russell Kirk. It depends on the context of the tax policy.


  31. Kid says:

    Bob, Yes, trillions of dollars (can’t remember the number but its single digit,still we’re talking real money) are in foreign banks and will come back at the right tax rate.


  32. Silverfiddle says:

    That is the problem with today’s conservative activism. It is a mindless, dog-eared punchlist.

    Can somebody, anybody on the right read some Russell Kirk, Adam Smith, Burke, and put a fresh, contemporary spin on it, and then put it into action to improve people’s lives?


  33. geeez2014 says:

    SF, if we lower taxes in order for companies to have more to spend on hiring, purchasing, etc (which is Trump’s goal)., that usually lifts the economy, which is a conservative concept, no?

    Would you like to write us a piece on the Smith/Kirk/Burke philosophies and tell us what you’d do? I’d love to feature it here…and learn.


  34. geeez2014 says:

    Kid..”are in foreign banks and will come back at the right tax rate.” Can you explain this better for me? I’m really interested.


  35. Bob says:

    SF: I have just started an economics history book, now, and it will be a while to take me to read the whole thing. I am not sure what you point is about your references, but I would love to hear about them. Maybe there’s something on your blog you have written?


  36. Imp says:

    “The bulk of the poverty today is the result of young, single parent women who cannot get good jobs,…”

    And theres a simple and less costly solution. Aspirin! One kept between the knees each day should ward off unwanted pregnancies.


  37. Bob says:

    Imp: You know it. I know it. The single mother know it. Our Federal Government’s job under Democrats is to increase single, government dependent mothers, thereby foregoing the aspirin tablet philosophy.


  38. Imp says:

    I hear ya Bob..suppose we increase it’s popularity by making it illegal, a felony to possess it and a class 1 drug?


  39. Kid says:

    Z, Here’s a good short primer on overseas cash. Apparently, it is 2.1 trillion. In the meantime, I’m looking for the article I read where a proposal was made by big business for a rate that would bring it all back.,,


  40. Kid says:

    Here is an even better writeup listing the companies with the overseas cash. I can’t find where anyone has proposed a specific rate to bring it back, so I’m going to go with they don’t want to bring it back if they’re going to be taxed at all.


  41. Imp says:

    Love this…slightly off topic but….

    We had a Cold War that went on for 50 years. It was more or less dissipated when Barry became President. And all of a sudden, late in Barry’s regime, about two years ago, they decided to demonize Russia, calling Putin Hitler. She called Putin Hitler a few years ago. Well, that’s great, that’s just what we want now is not a Cold War, but a hot war, maybe a nuclear war. Is that what they want?

    Isn’t Putin, and aren’t the Russians, our best allies against Islamic fascism? Of course they are. Why would you demonize the best possible ally that we could have against ISIS, for example. And, by the way, it wasn’t until Russian pilots started bombing ISIS positions that there was any kind of turn in this fake campaign of Obama’s, this ‘Wag the Dog’ fake ISIS campaign. It was only when the Russians started knocking them to hell that we saw, all of a sudden, Mr. Obama was a great war leader.

    So I don’t know what this demonization of Russia is about. I’ve speculated on it in a previous book. I think it has almost nothing to do with his policies in Ukraine, and it has a lot to do with his social policies towards a certain demographic, which I’d rather not mention.

    It’s very personal to these people. He is the last holdout, if you want to put it that way, for traditional Christian values. I don’t know if people know that. Russia has a very strong Orthodox church, and they’re pretty old-fashioned, if you want to put it that way. And they really don’t approve of certain lifestyles in Russia. They’re pretty harsh on them. And that seems to be some of the animus towards Putin, by the way. It has almost nothing to do with anything else.

    M. Savage


  42. Kid says:

    IMP, I agree with Michael Savage. I’ve been reading the ‘news” and I’ve wondered why the US and NATO continually poke Russia in the eye. Iread an article detailing at least 7 things Putin has done to help the USA. I’m shaking my head right now.

    I am forced to think of the time Ronald Reagan talked to Gorbachev and said you know, the Earth might be challenged by aliens some day and it would be in our best interest as the two most powerful entities to start thinking about working together instead of maintaining this [stupid expensive] cold war and that was a larger part of why the cold war ended imo than SDI.

    Now we have aliens right here now whoa re attacking. They’re called moslems.

    When the question is hard, the answer is usually money. But I think this time the answer is either obama’s hate for Chritians and love os moslems or his immature attempt at appearing strong by poking Russia in the eye and putting these sanctions on.

    So, he sanctions Russia but goves Iran carte blanc with the nuke program and people wonder if this mutt is really a moslem or not. Breathtaking………….


  43. Imp says:

    ” the answer is either obama’s hate for Christians”…

    All one has to do is ask this..How many Christians has he vowed to give refugee status to and allowed to immigrate to the USA? We know he’s allowed countless unvetted Syrians…and Hilary wants another 500,000 more which 10% would be terrorists. He sat by while Christians are being totally eliminated in the Middle East. Much like when most of Europe sat by while Jews were fuel for ovens. Today…it’s Christians. The “man” is a POS and legally culpable in a court of law for his hand in their murder.

    Many Europeans think that Russia and Putin..are the last salvation of Europe. The last chance Europe has to save itself from the muslim / islamist shit invasion and conquest.


  44. Silverfiddle says:

    Z and Bob. I don’t blog anymore. I dream of abandoning the blogisphere entirely, but it’s not easy completely kicking the habit. Hopefully, one day you just won’t see me anymore. That will mean I have broken free and Kurt Silverfiddle has ridden off into the sunset.

    “Conservatives” and “liberals” both have punchlists one must subscribe to if one wants to be in the camp. “Gun Control” is a liberal item, while “2nd Amendment” is a conservative one. Neither on is inherently conservative or liberal, but that’s what’s wrong with our politics. We have gone from Enlightenment era philosophical searching to ossified dogma.

    Russell Kirk is the 20th Century gold standard of conservatism, imho. His book, The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot is a highly-intelligent and very readable crystalline distillation of conservatism.

    He clashed with the neocons, criticized our wars, spoke well of classical liberals, and grounded his conservative principles in earlier philosophies, so the modern-day pseudo-intellectual pinheads in the rightwing conservative movement rarely refer to him or his works.

    I also highly recommend Hayek’s Constitution of Liberty. The man was brilliant, and even though a little dry, he had a gift of making academic and philosophical arguments interesting and easily understandable. The work is densely packed, not a breezy read, but very rewarding. It’s one of those books you read a little at a time because it presents complex argument and serves up a lot of information that can only be digested so much at a time. You will pause often to stop and think about what he is saying.

    I’ve given up reading and writing about such things and moved on to playing more music. Much more rewarding and blessedly free of politics.


  45. Silverfiddle says:

    Bob, here are two wonderful reads that explain classic economic principles using object examples:

    Economics in One Lesson, by Henry Hazlitt

    I, Pencil, by Leonard E. Read, Pencil


  46. Silverfiddle says:

    Russell Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles

    If the charlatans who now infest movement conservatism could be chased out and replaced with adherents and practitioners of these ten principles, I could again call myself a conservative and join them.

    Russell Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles

    First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order.

    Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity

    Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription (…that is, of things established by immemorial usage, so that the mind of man runneth not to the contrary. … Conservatives argue that we are unlikely, we moderns, to make any brave new discoveries in morals or politics or taste.)

    Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence (Kurt’s editorial comment: Invading other nations over nebulous claims and ginned-up emotional appeals is not conservative! Ballooning the national debt is not prudent!)

    Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety (…as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity and deadening egalitarianism of radical systems. The only true forms of equality are equality at the Last Judgment and equality before a just court of law; all other attempts at levelling must lead, at best, to social stagnation.)

    Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability.

    Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked.

    Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.

    Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.

    Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society.

    Bob and Z: You asked for it!


  47. geeez2014 says:

    SF, thanks so much for all that information…though I do believe Conservatives can make new discoveries, I like the list very much and appreciate your links.
    THANK YOU for taking this time. xx


  48. Silverfiddle says:

    Z: No prob, and the Tenth Principle covers change, new discoveries, etc.


  49. geeez2014 says:

    Imp: I forgot to mention that I agree with Savage on Russia, and almost always have…unless I see his treatment of ukraine, etc…. but, generally, I agree.


  50. Mal says:

    Actually, Z, Putin could be doing the Ukraine a favor. Consider, if he has them do the same as in Russia, no Muslims or Mosques would be allowed, thus saving their countries.


  51. Kid says:

    Actually Russia does have some mosques, but probably 3000+ less than we have.


  52. Silverfiddle says:

    Recently, Putin attended the grand opening of the largest mosque in Russia. Russia tolerates muslims, but they don’t put up with any of that islamic triumphalism crap and hate preachers damning the country and its citizens.


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