EVERYONE better darn well follow the gay, leftwing agenda or you lose your gig. Or they’ll try to get you thought of as a bigot, a hateful person….that’s the ‘open minded left’ for you!! imagine?
Did you hear about Joanna and Chip Gaines of “Fixer Upper,” the HGTV show which focuses on home remodels in and around Waco, Texas? They apparently have the nerve to attend a CHURCH whose PASTOR upholds the BIBLE’s view on homosexuality! 🙂 So, they’re basically being threatened for their pastor’s beliefs. Wait, didn’t Obama get an ‘all clear’ because he said he had never heard his pastor/friend Jeremiah Wright slam this country in real unbecoming terms even when we heard Wright did that on a regular basis? Ya, Obama did get a pass.
So why the Gaines’? They aren’t hateful! And if you asked that pastor if he hated homosexuals, he’d say he loves all people but only speaks up for the Bible….it’s his JOB.
Check out this paragraph from THIS ARTICLE ON THE GAINES’ SITUATION:
“But at this point, I’m not any more ready to connect thus far invisible dots between what Seibert has preached to the Gaineses than I am to condemn Obama for being seen in the same church as Jeremiah Wright. But you can bet that if Fox News is going to use this same reasoning to defend the Gaineses, I’m going to point out the hypocrisy of the network attacking Democrats who might attend church services in which radical clerics sometimes speak.”
Wait..WHAT??..Jeremiah Wright was the pastor, he WAS the ‘radical cleric’ and he spoke every week. What the heck? And here’s more that not only bothered me in the article, but bothered me when Megyn Kelly hammered how the pastor’s antigay remarks shouldn’t be put on the Gaines’; I kept thinking “Those aren’t the pastor’s remarks, they’re GOD’S remarks…and he never said he hated gays, he only stands by Scripture!”
Here’s what the author of the linked article said:
“Kelly’s argument is essentially that you can’t accuse the Gaineses of being antigay just because their pastor has made antigay remarks.” It’s their RIGHT to feel as they do, it’s not hateful, they’re not hurting anyone, they just believe in the Bible!
What do you think?
ALSO: PLEASE PLEASE pray for my friend’s breast cancer surgery this afternoon L.A. time…..pray for wisdom for the doctors, for peace for her and her family…for excellent results. You’d LOVE HER and she’s in trouble. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
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For perhaps the gazillioneth time on this general subject, lemme say that I believe that people and societies which follow a moderate and reasonable religion are happier and more productive than those who follow none or radical ones.
Speaking as a non-practicing baptized Christian who’s been to well over a dozen foreign countries, I’ve found that moderate, reasonable Christians tend to be better friends, better neighbors, better citizens, and better parents than people who believe only in science or self or gubmint. (The sole exception to that observation would be Japan, and that’s iffy in some cases.)
I’m gonna go with what Mother had to say on this. She was a poor, sickly country girl who never set foot in a church in her entire 90 years except for weddings, funerals, and the occasional civic event. Whenever the topics of gangs, crime, drugs, rape, and even rap “music” came up, she’d always say the same thing: “Our troubles got out of hand when they kicked God out of the classroom.”
Christians go to church willingly, happily, hopefully. They come out with their friendship reservoirs refilled and their attitudes spiffied up. Muslims, for example, go to mosque out of fear and come out paranoid, aggressive, brainwashed.
I liked it better when people got dressed up and went to church on Sunday, sat around a table for a family meal, and actually listened to each other speak (although as a kid, I mostly listened). I’m not entirely sure that playing golf or watching football or sleeping in are good alternatives to all that.
And I see absolutely nothing wrong with a non-denominational benediction before school board meeting or a school ball game or a school celebration. Anyone who can’t keep his mouth shut for a few seconds while others pray or recite the pledge or sing the national anthem should have his tongue pulled out and nailed to his forehead.
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How are they being threatened? Personally, I like the show.
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There’s a lot that I agree with, though I don’t see it as a function of government to acknoweldege a diety or lack thereof.
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Well, we don’t have to like everyone or even accept everyone. I can’t imagine typing “Hey, you have to accept me because…..”
I’m getting real tired of all these special people.
Prayers for your friend Z.
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Talking about lgbtq, blacks, moslems, people with the contents of fishing tackle box stuck to their face………..
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Bocopro…sorry, I won’t stop blogging when I see stories like this. I believe it’s a threat to all Americans. Your input is uplifting! I often say “It used to be ‘there’s that family on our street who doesn’t go to church’….now it’s ‘there’s that family that goes to church’!” …
Nobody who doesn’t find the right church can ever know the astonishing pleasure of one OR be ridiculed for not going to church! That’s ridiculous. And this story is more just simply about people being slammed for their beliefs. The article I posted isn’t the only article on this situation of the Gaines’. They deserve to do ANYTHING they want to do and not be insulted or shut down for it.
CI, It’s my belief that nobody should be ridiculed or threatened because of their religious beliefs unless those beliefs include beheadings, insurrection, etc. ….HGTV did let go a couple of young Christian men who were outspoken in their views but, so far, the Gaineses have only been put down for the beliefs of their pastor :
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/hgtv.fires.benham.brothers.christian.beliefs.if.faith.costs.us.a.tv.show.then.so.be.it/37290.htm
“function of government?” when? Where?
Kid, I agree…and thanks for your prayer!
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Z- It’s my belief that nobody should be ridiculed or threatened because of their religious beliefs……
I agree. But it’s also a free market decision if a media outlet wants to cater to a specific or a larger demographic, since their aim is profit, not equality of exposure.
It becomes a function of government when a government office takes time, effort or resources to acknowledge a religious faith in the course of it’s duty….especially if it’s not remotely connected to any acitivty involving a belief system.
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I meant to add that since I like the show in question, I’ve looked through the couple of articles that have been published recently, and haven’t seen any indications of being “threatened”, which is why I asked.
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CI, and I’m telling you there is precedence for this….I linked to it. So far, the Gaineses are only being ridiculed. I find that unsettling in a democratic country.
So, I’m not sure but I think you’re suggesting HGTV caters to gays? Really?
Nobody’s mentioned government here…they’re no way involved in this.
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CI: As Z says, there is a precedent for this. The leftwing progs are trying to “out” them, with the result being they lose their TV show, because in Left Kookville, where the Progs reside, you can’t give such haters a public platform.
This is quite simply, Cultural Enforcement Brownshirts, submitting the heretics to public autos de fe… It’s not enough to simply keep quiet, be polite and stay out of it. The left wants your conscience, which they declare you have no right of privacy to. Chip and Joannes Gaines’s show is about fixing up houses, not religion, but that doesn’t matter to the progressive inquisition.
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I was asking because you stated that they “were being threatened”. I think HGTV caters to a wider audience, not to gays specifically.
Bocopro’s last statement was what I was repodnign to, in my response to him.
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Fair points, except that there are groups on the right that do exactly the same things…calling for boycotts of shows that have gay characters, etc…
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As SF said:
Cultural Enforcement Brownshirts. And they believe that demonizing Christians is their moral duty.
This may or may not taper off with Trump in office.
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CI: Yes indeed, and what you said does not distract from my point. In fact, I think this case is different. Here’s why:
Some religious conservatives 20 years ago protested shows they believed were proselytizing an alternative lifestyle. The shows portrayed gay people living normal lives. I don’t have a problem with it (I actually like Ellen DeGeneres), but the protesters had something concrete to point to.
In this case, it is a show about fixing up houses, and the stars do not preach their religion. Leftwing haters are going after them because they attend a traditional, mainstream Christian church with traditional teachings from the Bible.
This is an important distinction.
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Your distinction is noted, but the efforts on the right are ongoing….not just 20 years ago. Take “One Million Moms” as but one example.
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As to Boco’s comment, last night I went to a local grocery on my way home from work.
The community it is in is largely becoming affluent Indian and Asian immigrant.
As I went through the store, every interaction was met with a stone faced reaction.
At another store in the chain near my house, there is a largely displaced southerner clientele (Ypsitucky) with wuite a large percentage of blacks.
Shopping there is so much more friendlier and courteous.
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It is the intention of this that bothers me. It has nothing to do with gay or non gay. Rather another attempt to divide us and pit one against another. Mission achieved. We have our knickers in a knot. As I said at my place, I will let God make the judgement.
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CI: OK, I had to go google “one million moms” because I have never heard of them. I am pretty unplugged from pop culture.
Once again, there is a distinction with a big difference. Put aside their protests against “anti-Christian” programs and lets focus on their protests against “indecency” which includes creeping sexuality into children’s programming. I noticed it on “childrens” channels like Disney, and I’m sure you have as well. It’s not appopriate.
So, aside from their anti-Christian protests, One Million Moms are fighting indecency that even atheists such as yourself don’t want peddled to your children. Now, “indecency” is in the eye of the beholder, and I am a believer in turning off the TV if it offends or is inappropriate, but this group is fighting indecency purveyed to millions of Americans.
The leftwing fascists attacking Chip and Joanna Gaines with the hope of getting their show cancelled and not doing so because of anything contained in their TV show. They are doing it because of their personal beliefs which they do not preach on their show.
That is an important distinction, that all rational people can recognize, but unhinged leftists cannot. They display a chilling mindset right out of Pol Pot’s Cambodia, albeit without the genocide. The leftwing fascists are incapable of leaving people alone and granting us all the privacy of our own consciences.
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I enjoy watching all the HGTV re-do’s, including Chip and his funny antics, as well as Tarek and Christina in Orange County, Calif. For them to pick on Chip and Joanna is typical of the left. Hopefully, it will serve to INCREASE their popularity, not diminish it. When is the left going to learn they need to face their problems and fix them, not perpetuate them.
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Silverfiddle..so well put, as usual…and yes, BROWN SHIRTS, indeed.
CI…I see what you were responding to..thanks. I’m with bocopro; a non denominational moment seems harmless to me. If someone doesn’t want to participate, then play the trumpet or scratch your nose. I’m sort of sad that ALL have to suffer for a few who just can’t stand an idea.
CI and SF…I never saw an anti-gay Christian boycott 20 years ago…My only thoughts on that is I wish a gay character in a TV show wasn’t always portrayed as some kind of overly effeminate, overly generalized exaggeration of most homosexuals.
what IS “One Million Moms’ ? Sorry…..it can’t be that widespread.
SF..if they’re objecting to creepy child sexuality, they have One Million and ONE MOM now.
Ed, I often say I’d rather talk to a nice Black person than ANY person…any. thanks for sharing that experience…But sad about the Indians and Asians…….
AOW, I think it could get better with Trump….”we WILL be a country where we can say MERRY CHRISTMAS again!” Hallelujah
Bunkerville, I totally agree with you…It’s about dividing and, worse, shutting down those who feel differently than they do…even calling them HATERS when there is NO HATE involved.
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Mal, I think the leftwing efforts are being met with disagreement more and more..I agree; it could make them MORE popular for their faith….
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As a Christian I believe that homosexual liaisons are wrong. My son was gay, and if he had lived, I would have told him the same thing even while defending his right to marry a man. I don’t believe marriage or any other institution is at risk because of homosexuality. It’s married people who make a mockery of marriage.
The pseudo-journalist that writes against the Gaines show is just looking for some way to get clicks on their website. The only way they can do this is by promoting controversy. If this causes more discussions of the issue, fine. The subject deserves more discussion.
By the way, the Gains show, Fixer Upper is a GREAT show. Chip’s amateur antics are kind of charming, and Joanna is the one with the brains. It is one of the few shows that my wife and I both like. As a matter of fact, HGTV (call it Hog TV) was our go-to network while Hillary was running for President. The show took us away from having to watch Hillary. God bless the Gaines.
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Bob, I like the Gaines’, too, if Chip can JUST keep his shirt down over his flabby belly he’s always touting! 🙂 She’s very smart, you’re right. And very talented (and I know something on that subject..big time)
Yes, it’s about clicks…and that’s so sad because it promotes even MORE division and, frankly, lies. “fake news”.
I don’t believe marriage is at risk because of homosexuality, either, though I don’t believe the term MARRIAGE can be used by any couple but a man and a woman. So, while not at ‘risk’ as some have said, I do dislike the term used for two men…:”union,” Ok. And oh, yes…..married people can certainly make a mockery of marriage and often do!
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BOB…I watched a LOT more HGTV during the campaigns, too…anything to get away from the”NOISE!”
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Please pray for my friend who’s having breast cancer surgery in a few hours.
THANKS SO MUCH, from her …and me!
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I am also greatly remiss not to have you all praying for our friend and fellow commenter IMP who’s not been well….PLEASE PRAY FOR IMP TO BE 100% SOON.
And for AOW, of course, whose health issues I know you’ve known about from her blog.
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A lot of us bloggers have been having health issues this year. All the election stress didn’t help matters, I’m sure.
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AOW, maybe we need to get some play dough and coloring books to ease the stress!
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I love these types of shows. We used to be hooked on Dean and Joanne until they split.
I think this goes way beyond just trying to divide. It’s a full frontal assault on Christians to marginalize and push us beyond the peripheral vision of the leftist media. They are driven by hate of our ‘leader’ and since they can’t get to Him, they take it out on anyone associated with Him. Yeah, I saw that: Obama marinated in Wright’s hate speech for 20 years. True hate speech – quite different from disagreeing about moral boundaries you don’t want.
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obama really has hammered on the Christians. all the serving the homo stuff, paying for, doing abortions, etc.
Has he even squeaked a word to all the moslem vermin he’s bring in.
obama : “Now I want all my moslem brothers and sisters to realize they are coming to a country that has its own culture. Don’t expect to drive a taxi and refuse to allow an alchohol product to qaccompany your passenger..” I’m sre we can think ot a million more examples of how obama is a moslem and has done so much for their cause around the world. I really think he had a big hand in them invading the EU as well as making the middle east beyond toxic.
Man I hate that POS….
Z, I saw an article on RRyan today on the ABC website. Looked at the comments. Man, there is a lot of hate being directed at hime from republicans. I didn’t add to it. I’m waiting for him to show his hand good or bad.
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My keyboard must have been made by a leftie.
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Kid, you mean P Ryan, right? A lot of Republicans expect him to come in and just turn everything around, and they expected it before we got the majority, too. Just not realistic; I don’t believe most people understand you don’t just go in swinging and get things to go our way. If they listened to his words and heard his explanations, it’d go far.
And ya, Obama’s been MUCH harder on Christians, and Whites, than he has on any Muslim, that is FOR SURE. I remember when the media was harping on the Obamas about what church they were going to attend once the inauguration was over…they said they’d see. My feeling is I don’t care if a pres goes to church or not but they said themselves they’d be looking…..the only churches they have attended are on holidays and they are what’s called a “traditionally black church” (instead of the media saying a biased black church, of course)….Plus, they say “they go to church at Camp David…” Anybody EVER hear of him at Camp David? He apparently went about 40 times….in 8 years.
Baysider, this full-on assault has gone on WAAAY before Trump, but it’s certainly not going away….let’s see what Trump does about it…he’s said he would.
And ya….when Obama denied having heard Wright ever say anything like G D America and more, we knew he’s lying thru his teeth….they were PERSONAL FRIENDS…and he didn’t know Wright felt like that? WHAT A LIAR>
AOW, I DO believe that this election took a LOT out of many people…you’re right.
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RE TRUMP’s THANK YOU TOUR…or VICTORY TOUR…I think those names are awful…sounds pathetic to have to THANK people for voting for him…to me, anyway.
I’d have called it a UNITY TOUR…..that’s the message he’s trying to convey.
What do you guys think?
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-speaks-taiwans-president-risking-china-tensions-223316122–election.html
OH MY GOSH! You will NOT believe that article! The Yahoo headline is “TRUMP LIKELY INFURIATED CHINA WITH TAIWAN CALL” then it goes on to say nobody’s sure who instigated the call!! I suppose he shouldn’t have taken the call since the Taiwan situation is so sensitive with CHina, but…INFURIATES? And HE might not have MADE the call?
Here’s the deal, however: He’s already raved about the Pakistanis and now he might be ticking off China AND Taiwan….a liberal on TV this morning made what I felt was a valid observation: Mr. Trump.. ..wait till you get briefed by the State Department before you mouth off on foreign country affairs. I think that’s right…I think he needs to keep still….
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P Ryan, yea. Well, I’m reserving judgement. I see your points, the repubs weren’t getting anywhere with pen and phone barry. We’ll see.
I think Thank You tour is appropriate in this case. He was an outsider, the media pounded on him, he pounded on himself, and Enough people saw through all that to give some new blood a chance. If I were he, I’d want to say thank you to all those people.
Plus it’s a hell of a lot better than an Apology/America Bashing tour through the middle east.
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The last I read on Ryan is he/they want to cement the concept of a president having to act in accordance with the constitution – constraining law making to the Congress – period. I have no problem with that.
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I like to see Trump give permission to any state to secede if they want to in advance. And not thru an executive order, through a constitutional amendment. That will really put a leash on future democrat vermin administrations/congresses.
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China? Expect this 24/7. The media don’t have any idea what else to do. They simply don’t. They could take on the idea of informing people with real news like a media is supposed to do, but they don’t even have the slightest ability to do that anymore if they ever did. Bash, Insult and lie about the opposition. It’s all they have. They’re all spoiled brats and dumbasses that probably never had to deal with real life. Just like permanent acadamia people in the schools and universities. All morons that think they are geniuses. If it ever came to it, I’d be looking for media people. and college perfessors. Screw the politicians.
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Kid, then say THANK YOU (I still think voting for a president shouldn’t be thanked but I respect your viewpoint…) but call it UNITY TOUR…why not?
And ya, I think acting in accordance to the Constitution might be a good thing to go back to 🙂
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Z, I have no problem with UnityTour (It’s a great feel good and a valid agenda) with the exception that it could come back to bite. Looking at the polarization of people in the USA, I don’t expect anyone to be able to make any progress on it in even 8 years. I can hear the media now screaming about how Trump Promised Unity and we’re nowhere near it.
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HOWARD DEAN drops out of DNC Chairman race….YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! as he’d be prone to say 🙂
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Kellyanne for RNC Chairman!
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BTW, I’d like to clarify my previous comment.
I wasn’t commenting on race, but on culture, and culture derived from religious background.
Southern Black and Whites are quite informed by Christian culture and it is reflected in their demeanor.
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Ed, that is a FABULOUS IDEA….
And not only are Southern Blacks and Whites informed, they’re POLITE. I remember living in Orlando, Fla for a while and an old Black man opened a door to a restaurant for me so graciously and unexpectedly…..I thought “Wow, what Southern manners, what a GENTLEMAN!”
I think there’s something special about Southerners, no matter what color…and I stand by my statement about loving to talk to Black Americans so much…..just got back from a dance concert at the high school I’m associated with, which has a lot of Black students, and their folks are SO warm and friendly and sincere…a delight. So are their kids..total delights.
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Kid, here’s one I LOVE: “You are part of the world’s most feared and trusted force. Engage your brain before you engage your weapon.”
ON the OTHER HAND:!!!!!:
Mattis continued, “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.”
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I figured that was who he was talking about.
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