Trump and the Secret Service Diss….

How far is IT GOING TO GO?   There has to be an end to the insults…even the N Koreans are now threatening to nuke L.A. over Trump’s actions…threatening him!   Asians and European governments watch our news, they all know how the media and leftwingers hate him, though they probably think most Americans hate him because they probably aren’t reading anything BUT the leftwing media.

So, dress designers are being boycotted for designing for Melania, companies the Trumps buy from are being boycotted, huge marches are against him, teachers do skits showing he’s horrible and saying it wasn’t meant to be political (and showing it to kids!),  CNN isn’t showing press conferences, even FOX’s Smith is truly insulting Trump every time I can bring myself to watch the creep.  It goes on and ON and on but this latest, the link above, really hit me hard;  THIS IS A NEW LOW IN INSULTS and VERY DANGEROUS.

WHAT THE HECK?   What’s HAPPENING?  The Left decided they despise him;  He’s racist, abuses women, is too rich, tweets like a dope (true), is awful when he goes off teleprompter (true most of the time), puts himself first,  is too nationalistic, is unrealistic in what he wants to do, etc ETC etc…………that’s what they think, and they’re going to PUNISH HIM any way they can.

Will he wake up?…not altering his policies, not being any less tough, but learning how to Tweet, how to speak, ..to stop helping the Left hate him MORE?  They have truly found how to weaken his presidency…and they’re never going to stop.  This is dangerous.  Totally dangerous to our country.

UGH….Z

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58 Responses to Trump and the Secret Service Diss….

  1. I begin to wonder whether your (and my) sensibilities preclude us from seeing the success Trump is setting the foundation for.
    Trump seems to be resonating with a majority of the country building approval ratings to accomplish what he wants to do.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/25/president-trumps-approval-rating-rises-57-percent/

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  2. bocopro says:

    Well, lemme just offer my daily rant. It’s shorter than most. Titled “Sic ’em, Donald.”

    Well, DJT is in the saddle, the Dow closed over 20,000 for the first time ever, investors are taking their cash reserves out of the mattress and putting ‘em to work, Soetoro’s EOs are drying up like Nancy Pelosi’s face and Harry Reid’s contributions to Western society . . . .

    PotUS Donaldus is a ball of energy running around like one of those noisy little toys you wind up and put on the floor and watch as they bump into the furniture and scratch the baseboards and scare the dog and annoy the cat.

    Hey, who knew he was a magic healer in the bargain! I mean, for years’n’years I’ve had chronic problems with my starboard shoulder. Got so bad some time back that I even hadda give up golf. But since last week it ain’t been a’botherin me.

    Docs have called it everything from bursitis to impingement to arthritis and prescribed everything from surgery to cortisone to complete immobilization to fix it. Thing is, tho, that it hasn’t wakened me from sleep in days now, and I can pull a sweatshirt over my head or slip my arms into a jacket without worryin that I might pee down my leg from the pain.

    Thanx, Mr. Prezeedunt. ‘Preciate it. And although I’ve never been a YUGE fan of yours (for a variety of reasons), I gotta say that you’re MUCH preferable to the alternatives offered by the “loyal opposition.”

    And speakin of whiny-ass libs, lemme say this about your cabinet and other nominees: my criterion for judging the potential effectiveness of your choices is in direct ratio with how MUCH they piss off people such as Schumer, McCain, Pelosi, Van Jones, Rachel Maddow, and the Congressional Black Circus.

    I mean, hell . . . your very PRESENCE in the Oval Office has caused Hollywood to declare 60 million citizens who voted for you a complete cultural and intellectual writeoff and Michael Moore to go on a 20-minute hunger strike.

    So continue shoveling out the blizzard of your predecessor’s EOs and The Purge of Soros sock puppets he installed in virtually every department and agency in central gummint. I’ll sleep MUCH better at night knowing that the Iranian-Manchurian Valerie Jarrett is no longer the most powerful woman in America.

    Unlike the hysterical left, I don’t believe for a millisecond that you intend to take away ANY rights from women, and I doubt seriously that you will forcibly eject any illegal aliens or their children unless they’ve proven themselves a danger to society by repeated felonious behavior.

    I am concerned about the thinness of your skin and the fragility of your male ego, but you couldn’t do any worse than the guy you’ve replaced, and you’re inarguably preferable to the career criminal who won California and New York but nothing in between.

    So, thanks for fixin my shoulder, even though I know you had nothin to do with it and the pain will likely come back anyway as Arthur usually does. And just a few words of advice from a guy who’s a little older than you are:

    Barry Soetoro is NOT as gracious as you so graciously say he is.

    The multi-headed hydra known as the Clinton Machine never sleeps.

    Concerning terrorism, I say go with Neca ecos omnes; Allah suos agnoscet.

    And as for the unfocused, disorganized, noisy, litterers in the Women’s Marches, non carborundum illegitimi.

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  3. FB says:

    I think they’re freaking out for multiple reasons:
    – It’s in their DNA
    – They must know that his policies have a chance to succeed so at the end they’ll look like fools with their stupid theories
    – He’s saying he’s going to stop funding those people (Endowment for the arts, PBS, etc…) so people of those organizations have to excite the crowds
    – Since those people are fan of moral posturing and virtue signaling, Trump gives them a nice opportunity to really look superior and well intended. It’s the moment to seize. Some acquaintances of mine in L.A fit the description (Thank god we’re not around those people anymore.)

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  4. Kid says:

    The left are Terrified. I’m loving it.

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  5. Kid says:

    Bocopro, One of your best. mike moore on a 20 minute hunger strike haha

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  6. Kid says:

    PPS, why does she ( SS agent) still have a job?

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  7. geeez2014 says:

    SUCH good responses…
    Ed, as of earlier yesterday all Talk Radio was discussing was how his ratings were in the 30….don’t quite understand the 57 but I’m delighted about it.

    Bocopro…terrific rant…..
    ALL of you are probably right, to some degree…

    My point is we must be smart enough to counter the incessant attacks, boycotts, like: https://www.yahoo.com/news/where-will-trumps-aides-draw-the-line-on-lies-100041553.html

    See, posting this was meant to alert us to what the media’s saying…WE know Trump’s not exactly high in our integrity ratings…we know he’s thin skinned, speaks without knowing…you’ve got to know that or you’re not listening. We need to get him to stop that SO his aids can act with truth and integrity.
    Sadly,every time I say that here, I get “he HAS to be TOUGH!” Tough is not the problem…I agree with that. Truthful and tough are two different things, they must coexist, not work against each other. So far, truth and toughness are at odds in this White House………….and it’s him, not his staff. It’s got SO bad that even conservative pundits are suggesting shyly that “this is a game plan…a conscious strategy”. Wow. Not a great one.

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  8. I’ve had a guy at the diner who’s very savvy suggest that it IS a strategy: of distraction.
    Remember that the left would “flood the zone”, you couldn’t focus an attack.
    Trump is using sleight of hand, also.
    Distract here, move thete.

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  9. Mal says:

    Let ’em whine! The guy has more energy, drive, and guts and will get the job done….PRONTO!
    The D.C. crowd has had it too soft for years, with shorter and shorter work days, more vacation time, and annual pay increases. Trump is saying ENOUGH! IT SHOULDN’T TAKE MONTHS TO ACCOMPLISH OUR AGENDA AND IT WON’T FROM NOW ON SO GET USE TO IT.
    Personally, I’m lovin’ it!

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  10. bocopro says:

    Mal — A by-no-means-complete list of activities thus far:

    IG Investigating Obama Regime Cyber Attacks On Georgia Election System – Daily Caller

    Trump Orders Construction Of Border Wall, Targets Sanctuary Cities – Fox News

    Days Into Trump Administration, Corrupt VA Employees Are Already Being Fired – Daily Caller

    Trump State Department Freezes Obama’s $221M Gift To Palestinians – World Israel News

    Democrats And Republicans Unite To Rescind Last-Minute Obama Order Seeking Federal Election Takeover – Daily Caller

    Texas Governor Abbott Threatens To Cut Funding To Travis County Over Illegal ‘Sanctuary City’ Policies – Fox News

    The Trump Effect: CDC Cancels Major Climate Change Conference – James Delingpole

    Trump Imposes Freeze On Federal, Non-Military Hiring – The Hill

    Trump To CEOs: I’ll Wipe Out 75 Percent Of Regulations, Fast-Track U.S. Factories – Chicago Tribune

    Trump Signs Executive Order Killing Obama’s Legacy TPP Trade Deal – Daily Caller

    Trump Scrubs Climate Change From WhiteHouse.gov, Replaces With ‘America First Energy Plan’ – Washington Times
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    President Trump To Sign Executive Order Defunding International Planned Parenthood – Life News

    Trump Effect: Hyundai-Kia To Spend $3.1 Billion In U.S. Over 5 Years – Detroit News

    Walmart To Create 10,000 U.S. Jobs In Nod To Trump – MarketWatch

    Trump Effect: GM To Add Or Keep 7,000 Jobs, Make $1 Billion Factory Investment In U.S. – Chicago Tribune

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  11. Imp says:

    I could never had said it better or listed DT’s accomplishments in just 6 days, bocopro, Thank you. Imagine what their silly asses will look like in the next 94? I’m convinced that the Demrats are a subversive organization determined to dismantle the constitution and our rights. I believe that their stated goals are no different than the totalitarian countries that use “Democratic” in their titles…like China and North Korea. I’m praying that Trump sends in US Marshall’s to arrest the mayors of these “sanctuary” cities for their defiance of the law. Sanctuary cities should be a sanctuary for Americans…not criminal felons, illegals and those who kill, rob and maim our own citizens. It’s clear to me that we are in a civil war. DNC hopefuls now tell 70% of Americans who are white that they need to shut their mouths. And the other a mooslem that wanted to carve out separate states for blacks?

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  12. Imp says:

    Mexico’s elite are not corrupt? This is worse than Hillary’s scams and slush funds.

    “Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto has cancelled his planned visit to the U.S. where he was expected to meet with President Donald J. Trump. The cancellation comes after Mexico’s government denounced Trump’s new border security measures aimed at interfering with the cash flow of the very Mexican cartels believed to have financed the current Mexican president’s campaign.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/01/26/mexican-president-cancels-u-s-trip/

    Mind blowing. Theres no way these cartels could operate as they do without the corrupt Mexican governments approval.

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  13. Sparky says:

    The demonic Left are whining and complaining again. *yawn* It never ends.
    I, for one, am enjoying watching them in full melt down. Like the petulant children that they are, if don’t watch or comment on it, they’ll get tired of it.
    As for Trump, he is what he is. At least he’s not Hillary.

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  14. Mal says:

    Right on, Bocopro, and it ain’t even been a week yet! GOD! AM I LOVIN’ IT!

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  15. edbonderenka says:

    Sparky +1
    Mal: me too.

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  16. bocopro says:

    And don’t forget, he ended the drought in Kalipornia.

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  17. geeez2014 says:

    None of you seems to care that whatever good he’s doing is barely getting attention; that ALL the stupid undignified stuff DOES. I care very much. Maybe I shouldn’t.

    If he didn’t hand the leftwing media fodder, they’d be REALLY upset! IMagine if he didn’t give them the (legitimate) opportunity to laugh and mock his tweets? THEN we’d REALLY see them upset! But no…………he’s handing them the hate machine fodder. Stupid, really, on his part.

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    The kid who said SCREW TRUMP! on television…some of you commented on it, happens to be Drew Carey’s son.

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  19. Kid says:

    And Drew Carey is a former Marine.

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  20. Kid says:

    Z, I tend to agree with Ed. DJT is a strategist. His campaign was strategy and it got him elected.

    Now he’s got the media yapping about stupid stuff all the time. You know that old saying about not arguing with an idiot becuase people won’t be able to tell the difference? Trump will get elected again. He knows who his base is and they are people that only care about what gets done. He’s already done more for America than obama and GW Bush combined.

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  21. geeez2014 says:

    Even Mexico’s president has canceled a meeting….the world’s realizing they can shut our president out like the companies boycotting him over and over again…

    And now CAIR is saying “Make no mistake, whatever countries Trump lists as immigration challenges, it’s only Muslim countries he really means.” in other words “POOR US!” Ya, well I think Trumps RIGHT. Here’s the problem: CAIR knows really well that the Left will hear their ‘poor pitiful us muslims’ words and jump on his train against Trump…..The muslims are playing our Left like a fine violin….anything that hates Trump or finds America guilty is good for the Left, makes them happy…

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  22. geeez2014 says:

    Kid; Ridiculous, in my opinion. Strategy is one thing…..silly childish tweets are altogether different. NOBODY here gets my point. One can BE TOUGH and SHOW TEETH and not sound like a petulant spoiled bully.
    “Distract here, move there?” Sounds great if that was all he was doing…BELIEVE me, just his PLANS are distracting enough to the Left…. What’s his strategy for saying things that are demonstrably untrue?

    Dazzle them with brilliance, not stupidity. That’s how I feel.

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  23. Kid says:

    That meeting was mutually canceled. DJT said if Pieto absolutely refuses to pay for the wall it would have been a waste of time. The left media reported it as Pieto canceled the meeting’ becuase that better serves their agenda.

    CAIR – Exactly right. Also the reason blacks become moslems – becuase islam is Anti-American in their eyes so they’re good with it. The left and moslems? Oh yea,most of them love the moslems mostly becuase they are too stupid to see what islam is as well as having a real difficulty in recognizing evil or even acknowledging that it exists – and they’re geeked to the maximum to be accepting of everyone. Probably the liberal schooling.

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  24. Kid says:

    PS – My latest post talks about how DJT can bring libtards into the fold.

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  25. geeez2014 says:

    By the way, this subject that’s back in the news, that “Torture isn’t legal” is INSANE.
    ANybody who thinks torture doesn’t work and could keep America safe is NUTS. I’m VERY sorry Mattis thinks waterboarding doesn’t work because there are many in that biz who say it absolutely has…(Although I could take a LOT of waterboarding if I knew the interrogators couldn’t kill me, couldn’t you? Not that I want that tested!)

    What kind of country survives when they can’t physically threaten pain for truth that could keep its country in existence?

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  26. Kid says:

    Waterboard? I don’t know. I think different approaches should be taken based on who you’re dealing with. I don’t think it’s a one size fits all. The Israelis ? recently put out a thing on how they interrogate and it was putting people in very uncomfortable positions for long periods of time. No physical damage or lasting effects but effective. The theme is the same with both I guess – endurance. Just wear them down. I don’t believe waterboarding is torture. Once again the left media hopped all over this becuase it was a wedge they could use against GW Bush – who oddly enough was quite liberal and accomplished nothing domestically. – Further making the case at how stupid the left is.

    Stringing up the pilots captured in Vietnam and dislocating their shoulders is torture.

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  27. Kid says:

    Z, DJT? Ok, no prob 🙂

    For me though, if nothing else, it makes the liberal’s brains hurt that much more and that makes me happy.

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  28. bocopro says:

    Anybody who’s been thru college fraternity initiations back in the 50s and 60s, or crossed the equator on a Navy ship prior to around 1990 or so when it became wussified, and ESPECIALLY anybody who’s been thru Negative Defense or Survival Training has experienced FAR worse treatment than those well-fed, well-cared-for, well-housed, well-clothed troglodytes in Gitmo who would kill us all given half the chance.

    Good grief, USMC boot camp used to be tougher than anything those guys in Gitmo have to endure, not to mention any of the special forces people, such as SEALs, Rangers, or AFSpecOps.

    Hell, some of the hazing stuff guys used to go thru in the NFL was absolutely brutal, and camp counselors back 50 years ago for kids were borderline sadists.

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  29. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, ya, but the media’s all over ‘torture’ today, mostly waterboarding…that’s why I mentioned it. I agree, there are types of torture but I just can’t imagine Republicans who said today “No torture is legal.” that’s insane in my opinion. Sounds like you agree.

    I DO HOPE TRUMP IS OPERATING STRATEGICALLY, BY THE WAY. I SINCERELY HOPE SO. Steve Bannon said something today, which I just heard a minute ago, that I loved and I thought “no wonder Trump hired him”….(Bannon took Breitbart’s blog to a place I (and Andrew) wouldn’t have approved of so I haven’t been a big fan of Bannon’s)…but he rocked today when he said:

    “They don’t understand this country,” Bannon said. “They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States.”

    “Bannon said the “mainstream,” “elite” media have been “100 percent dead wrong” and called out the Times and the Washington Post by name.”

    Of course, the media’s NOT been “100% dead wrong,” but it sounds good! And I TOTALLY believe that the media doesn’t understand why Trump is pres and he also said “the media is the opposition party”. He’s right.

    On the subject of the crowds at the inauguration, I find it fascinating that my friend swears she took her photos during the inauguration and it was packed…..yet the CNN photos show so much white ‘land’ where people were not. She says the CNN shots were taken around 8AM that morning. Why don’t people in the crowd that day come forward and TELL US which is right? “Were you packed in there or were there big empty spaces?” Nobody has yet….

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  30. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…Clearly, I can’t know your facts, but I think you’re probably right..Boot camp has to be MUCH harder than any Gitmo ‘punishments,’ if they even DO punish those monsters for throwing their feces at our female guards, playing with themselves in front of the women, etc…

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  31. Kid says:

    Z, Depends on the situation. In war, I would not torture the enemy. I’d kill them, or if captured, I’d follow the Geneva convention. I’m tlaking about people who clearly identify themselves with uniforms fighting for their dictator.

    If OTOH, I knew that a plot existed, such as the 9-11 plot, and all I knew was that 3000 Americans were going to be killed next month, there is nothing I wouldn’t do to the person who could clue me in to the plan.

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  32. Kid says:

    PS – The CIA’s black sites have been re-instated. What goes on at a black site stays at the black site…

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  33. NOBODY here gets my point.

    I get your point. If Trump would stop lying…he would stop giving fodder to drive-by detractors…as well as stop looking foolish and petulant.

    As a graduate of SERE School, and considering the assessments of experts in the field……I can attest that torture is not only illegal [according to US Code], but it also is extremely ineffective at gaining verifiable and actionable intelligence. Additionally, it’s the hallmark of a despotic regime, rather than a Constitutional Republic. Comparisons between GITMO detainees and college hazing or military instruction seem a bit out of place, given that we don’t currently engage in the illegal practice of torture.

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  34. FB says:

    Mexico will come begging when their economy hits the wall, pun intended.

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  35. bocopro says:

    US military boot camps are MUCH less demanding, strenuous, and challenging than they were 50 years ago, and that includes the toughest of the bunch, the Marines. And Navy “crossing the line” initiations are a joke. Mine was in 65, and they damned near killed me. The garbage chute had to be at LEAST 75 feet long.

    Initiations for Navy CPOs were deliberately humiliating and often physically dangerous back in the 50s and 60s, but they served the purpose of ritual purging and rebirth. Today they’re no more than a congratulatory koffee klatch.

    Same with boot . . . it was originally designed to sever the umbilical, strip boys of their high-school ignorance, and pull out all the weeds in their character before planting in them a sense of order, discipline, teamwork, and unit loyalty. Today it’s a diluted boy-scout camp with indoctrination lectures, skills assessment sessions, and “just try to do your best, Son, and everything will be fine.”

    Instead of producing trained but controlled killers, we’re producing button-pushing sea lawyers who consider dropping for 20 after mouthing off to be some kind of barbaric torture.

    Those guys who rode those diesel subs and those 2100-ton tin cans in WWII were some tough sonsabitches. But of course back then they HAD to be . . . or die.

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  36. bocopro says:

    Tempi cambi.

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  37. bocopro – I agree. Both Army Basic and Airborne School had devolved into kindler and gentler institutions just during the early part of my career. I’m not sure many of our current crop in uniform, could handle 4 years of near constant combat, without wi-fi and cappuccinos.

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  38. One. I get your point. I said so first comment. He offends our sensibilities.
    Just because no one agrees with you means they don’t understand you. 🙂
    Two. “Torture” is a term that has many meanings, primarily “stress”.
    Torture as we typically imagine it is illegal and immoral.
    Torture is usually regarded as the threat or execution of permanent loss, dismemberment or disfigurement, lasting damage.
    “Enhanced interrogation” or stress is not equivalent to the Nazi treatment of war prisoners.
    Alan West fired a gun near a prisoner to get him to talk. He did not shoot the prisoner.
    To me that is enhanced interrogation.
    But Trump saying he’d go further than that is as troubling as saying he’d pursue war for oil.

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  39. geeez2014 says:

    CI…”I’m not sure many of our current crop in uniform, could handle 4 years of near constant combat, without wi-fi and cappuccinos.” I think that’s a metaphor for AMERICA in general. Hideous weakness.
    Gen Mattis says torture doesn’t work and that a beer and a cigarette are usually all he needs to get information.
    Do you consider waterboarding torture? What do you consider torture and what do you do when enemies know darned well we won’t be tough on them so they can sit quietly just glowering, never giving information we might desperately need?

    FB…I HOPE SO. I like the pun.

    Kid..HURRAH for BLACK SITES. Our enemies need to know WE ARE BACK IN BUSINESS. There is nothing I wouldn’t do, either, in that case. And I mean the same thing as far as torture..kill if need be, do what’s best for the situation.

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  40. geeez2014 says:

    Ed, …”Just because no one agrees with you means they don’t understand you.’
    Funny face or not, I’d have hoped you know me better than that. No, I don’t think not being understood equates with agreement. A ten year old might.

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  41. Mal says:

    Just as a side note, in 1951 when I went thru my 16 weeks of basic at Fort Ord, Calif. we were told we were the first company to mix black and white. They even pushed the envelope by making one squad leader a southern black, just to see how it would go over. Other than 1 or 2 minor incidents, like slicing shirts with a razor blade, things went pretty well.

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  42. bocopro says:

    We still produce some good squids, jarheads, grunts, and zoomies, the guys who would excel in any environment regardless of how tough it is and how wafflish the leadership. What bothers me is the ratio of goldbricks and whiners to movers and shakers. Seems to me it’s approaching the breakdown point.

    During my 9 years enlisted, I observed that maybe 10% of the guys around me were absolutely top-notch. Another 10% were total shirks and worthless jerks. The remaining 80% or so were anonymous, those guys who kept their shoes shined O.K., got their hair cut when told to, did their jobs at least half way, and developed terminal FIIGMO about 3 months before EAOS.

    Later I got my gold chinstrap and became a “leader of men,” handling divisions on warships, Director of ET”A” School in GLakes, and finally several desk pilot jobs before finally hanging up the bars. I watched standards drop in class “A” schools, grade creep, lower-deck rust, and a widespread growth of G.A.S. attitude with the ratio shifting to around 5% at the top, 25% at the bottom, and the rest those guys who just slid through without getting caught at anything.

    My youngest son went in a few years after I retired and told me when HE retired that the ratio had continued to change with 3% at the top, 33% at the bottom, 50% anonymous, and the rest so strung-out and fouled up that they never made it thru their full enlistments. He was not particularly proud of the Navy when he retired.

    I won’t advertise where he works now, but he regularly tells me that many of the ships being built for the Navy today barely meet basic required standards and the crews assigned to them do only the minimum to keep them operational. Pride in workmanship and unit loyalty are basically archaic notions to today’s builders and sailors.

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  43. geeez2014 says:

    This is fabulous and, even, a kind of reminder that the media’s CONSTANT anti-Trump harangue just might not be working quite as well as some of us think! This is a paragraph from an article I just ran across about the designer of Melania’s inaugural ball dress….Remember we were told designers wouldn’t work with her and people are boycotted those who did? Check this out:

    “I had no idea when I made the dress what the consequences would be,” Pierre (the designer of her dress) told Bazaar.com on his newfound celeb status. “Immediately my phone went completely ballistic with interview requests; I had investors and bankers in Dubai calling, people opened fake Instagram accounts under my name. Even Target called to say, ‘We are so excited you are doing a line for us.’ I’m like, ‘Well, I had no idea I was doing one.’ The attention is something I’m not used to.”

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  44. Kid says:

    You military folks might enjoy this site, or not. You can subscribe and get output to your inbox.

    http://www.duffelblog.com

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  45. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro, that SURE isn’t true about the Navy’s Hospital Ships..a dear friend, a retired nurse, went on a trip with one of them…MERCY, I think?…and she said she’d never seen such cleanliness, such effectiveness, such amazing young corpsmen “better trained than the best nurses in any hospital on land”..
    But, I’m not doubting what you say is true…it’s hideous to read. America’s just not the same, let’s face it. Americans don’t give much of a damn anymore.
    Many think people don’t want welfare, they want JOBS. I wish I felt that 100%, too. I don’t. I think many like staying home and getting paid for it.

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  46. Do you consider waterboarding torture?

    Without a doubt. It has always been considered to be torture, until the Bush Administration, and the invention of “enhanced interrogation techniques”.

    Human interrogation has it’s place, but these days, much of it can be corroborated or debunked quite easily though signals or imagery intelligence. The “ticking time bomb” analogy plays well in the media and among proponents of torture…but is rarely [if ever] an actual scenario.

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  47. Kid says:

    Z, on welfare… We have entire communities now that have never seen someone go to work.

    On the state of our military personel, I will ad something I know from a friend of mine. He went to SEAL training (BUDS) Dropped out because he said everyone else there wanted to be a Charlie Sheen type of SEAL.

    He instead went through Marine Recon Corpsman training. SARC – Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsman. One hell of a guy. No one better. DId a few tours in the sandbox, packed up some of his best friends in body bags… Out now. There are some of these people left.
    Though I think the standards and experiences have softened. Now I read that there may not be enough available people to “rebuild the military” as Trump wants. Hmmmm.

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  48. Kid says:

    Oh sorry – my point to the last sentence – will the standards drop some more.

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  49. geeez2014 says:

    CI, TORTURE is a big word. The idea enemies know our gov’t won’t let us kill thru waterboarding tells me enemies put up with it and know they’ll be fine……so why talk?
    How would YOU make someone talk?

    Kid, I heard an exCIA or FBI bigwig on TV about 30 years ago…he said BACK THEN they got very VERY few good applicants…they’d all done drugs or stolen, etc. He was shattered at the low caliber of Americans qualifying for those jobs people used to want. He also said our higher learning institutions had taught out the desire to even do that type of work.

    Leftwingers have made us vulnerable and stupid and weak. I don’t care WHAT argument someone might have; it’d be a miracle if they could convince me otherwise.

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  50. geeez2014 says:

    here’s a typical Trump “Yes, we’re going to try to fill all our promises, but it’s not easy in gov’t….but we’ve done a LOT already. It’s been a busy week. We’ve done a lot of things…EVERYBODY’S TALKING ABOUT IT!”
    Just LEAVE OFF “Everybody’s talking about it!” Nobody cares that your ego’s pumped because everybody’s talking about it. And WHO? UGH

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  51. Z – Conveying to our detainees, that we can both torture and kill them at will, implies both a radical change in our laws as well as a breach of various international agreements that we’ve been signatories to over the years. This may not seem to be a troublesome point, but this sort of action would undoubtedly negate many current intelligence sharing agreements the United States has with allied and partner nations…..which provides us with far, far more intelligence than that from detainees.

    Interrogation is both an art and a science, and throughout history, military & intelligence experts [some extremely famous, most not] overwhelmingly agree that torture does not yield actionable intelligence, as a rule. Almost universally, professionals in the interrogation field [which decidedly does not include folks like Liz Cheney] agree that rapport-based techniques result in the most credible information.

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  52. geeez2014 says:

    CI, I find it odd and ironic that ISIS and other terrorists who want as many of us dead can break international agreements all they want but we’re stymied by these laws. It’s probably what will do us in, finally.
    Clearly, detaining people without proof, without trials, shouldn’t happen in a perfect world; but tell that to our enemies who detain, behead, etc…
    some “rapport” we have with this kind of monster.

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  53. Ironic it may be, but the alternative is to base our guiding principles on the lowest common denominator of the foe; and again contrary to effective methods.

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  54. Mal says:

    Z, apparently the ego thing with Trump is part of his appeal because without it, he probably wouldn’t have won the election. Its a package. Its in his DNA. He’s the guy walking on a steel girder, 30 stories high, riveting I beams. The tough talk and demeanor is what we needed to overshadow and overcome the Left. He is the right man at the right time and we should all be thankful he volunteered. Somebody had to. Can you think of anyone else that could’ve survived all that the left threw at him? So while I understand your dissatisfaction with his egotism, try to see it for what it is and accept these things. Also, no one is perfect, either, right? Besides, I believe we all are enjoying the squirming by the Dems. They’ve been our “FOX”ed!

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  55. I once asked Bill Bennett, who knew Rodriguez the CIA guy, whether enhanced interrogation worked or not and he certainly said yes and that actionable intelligence against bin Laden was gained.

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  56. Ed – That’s not surprising, Jose Rodriguez oversaw much of the agencies interrogation program and conveniently destroyed 92 tapes of those sessions, denying anyone the ability to independently verify his personal accounts.

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  57. That’s one way of looking at it.

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