IF Trump does not provide FACTS on voter fraud, I don’t know what will happen but it isn’t good. A federal election official is now asking for details for what the linked article calls “baseless claims,” Trump surrogate Sarah Huckabee has now said there was fraud in her state of Arkansas “a judge had ballots sitting on his desk,” and nobody knows details on that and the news is calling that a lie, too…..Even FOX has been saying “we checked and we can’t find anything….”
Mr. Trump and his surrogates MUST MUST stop talking at all if they can’t back up their ‘facts’ with indisputable information that SHOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Or STOP talking about VOTER FRAUD! WHY still talk about it? Can’t Trump LET ANYTHING GO??
Also, that old crotchety freak Bernie Sanders is calling the sitting president a “pathological liar,” and Al Franken is saying he’s spoken to GOP members who think Trump is “mentally ill.” Ya, Sanders and Franken say those things? WHO CARES? I print these things here to ask how our country can survive this type of HORRID name calling to a sitting president. Have we completely lost our way and our dignity?
WHEN is Trump going to STOP saying things without backup information? That’s so easy to provide! If you’re saying it, you must have a reason and proof for saying there’s fraud, right?
Help me out here. Z
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GeeeZ .... 
I don’t get Trump. He won; shut up about and get on with the business of running the nation. There’s absolutely no doubt that there are potential voters who are registered illegally, but precious little evidence of widespread illegal voting, as reported by the States, many of which run by GOP majorities.
Decorum prevents me from using the lable I have for how Trump is actimng.
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There is strong evidence that the top three liberal voting counties in Michigan have vote tabulations that are criminally (by my standards) corrupt. Ballot boxes reporting multiples of their contents. These help swing this state blue in national elections..
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/12/15/wont-believe-shocking-level-vote-fraud-exposed-michigan-recount/
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Ed, there’s a disconnect somewhere in the reporting on Michigan voting irregularities. The State Bureau of Elections conducted a study of 136 precincts and found only 216 questionable votes; the Anderson Economic Group just completed a forensic election analysis, and found “no evidence for systematic fraud, tampering, or hacking of voting machines”; and Republican SecState Ruth Johnson issued a public statement, stating “there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud”.
http://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/Newsroom/Detail/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/8235/Anderson-Economic-Group-Experts-Release-Forensic-Analysis-of-2016-Michigan-Election.aspx
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/no_widespread_voting_fraud_in.html
FWIW
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Proposal: Old sci-fi classic The Day The Earth Stood Still. Seen it twice since the 50s. Remade a coupla years ago, but I’ve not seen the new version.
Thesis: mankind has trouble understanding what’s in its own best interests, believing instead that anything can be rationalized or spun to the point of credibility, allowing politics to waste or destroy the best efforts of the best minds.
A civilization far older than and advanced over ours had endured similar problems in its past and developed a universal police force of giant robots with horrendous power. Indestructible, and their powers were irrevocable. Their purpose was to preserve the peace through the instant elimination of troublemakers, the ultimate deterrent.
The robots’ programming was based on the principles of absolute rights and wrongs which in turn were based on societal, ethical, and moral givens agreed upon by all participating planets and solar systems in the region of the galaxy where the idea originated.
A robot sensing a serious breach of peace or flagrant violation of law according to its programming could terminate the conflict by sending the potential troublemakers off in fear for their lives. Those who persisted or resisted were simply vaporized on the spot, thus eliminating the potential threat to order and discipline.
Our technology could produce such a robot today, a huge, indestructible, unrelenting Gort whose mere appearance would stifle behaviors we find disruptive or counterproductive to the common good. Two or three well-timed vaporizations of miscreants and ne’er-do-wells in a particular setting or situation would go a long way toward improving life for everyone.
And the logical place to begin, methinks, is government. A Gort appearing on the scene in a committee preparing something so heinous, so cumbersome, so ridiculous as Obamacare would frighten the beejeebers out of self-possessed politicians whose only goal is fame or fortune or acquisition and maintenance of supreme power.
GORTs (Government Overreach Repair Technicians) could be programmed with the ability to detect graft, embezzlement, stonewalling, hypocrisy, coverups, reversals, obfuscations, equivocations, blatant lies, sedition, theft, and attacks on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 10th Amendments.
The visor opens, the power source charges up the laser, and POOF! Harry Reid is no longer an impediment to balancing the budget and reducing the national debt. ZZZAP! Nancy Pelosi is no longer capable of spewing idiocies into microphones and cameras. BZZZZZTTT! Dicky Bloomberg is no longer around to tell people how much of what they can eat. SPLAT! Diane Feinstein is no longer able to interpret the Constitution for the rest of us. SIZZLE! Josh Earnest’s mantra chanting and spinmeistering are history. VVFFFTTT! Half-breed Kenyans no longer infest and infect the White House.
Wouldn’t take too many to get the point across. Maybe half a dozen Gorts, each with half a dozen notches on its visor. Congress, both houses, could be returned to a model of dedicated, patriotic, honest, common-sense public servancy as envisioned by the framers.
Yeah, we need GORTs since our public servants on all levels – city, state, federal, and international – have completely lost sight of what the hell they’re supposed to be doing in those high-powered offices and positions they bask in while they get rich and waste revenues on all the wrong stuff.
Do we have to go completely barada nikto before we collapse into a Spanish-speaking 3rd Millennium Dark Age in which warlords and Ayatollahs direct our daily activities?
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Ed, there’s a disconnect somewhere in the reporting on Michigan voting irregularities. The State Bureau of Elections conducted a study of 136 precincts and found only 216 questionable votes; the Anderson Economic Group just completed a forensic election analysis, and found “no evidence for systematic fraud, tampering, or hacking of voting machines”; and Republican SecState Ruth Johnson issued a public statement, stating “there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud”.
http://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/Newsroom/Detail/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/8235/Anderson-Economic-Group-Experts-Release-Forensic-Analysis-of-2016-Michigan-Election.aspx
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/no_widespread_voting_fraud_in.html
FWIW……
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Ed, so HAVE TRUMP EXPOSE IT 🙂 STOP TALKING TIL HE HAS THE INFO
CI…it’s a subject that does need discussion, but ONLY when we can show the country the facts.
Bocopro..I think many hoped Trump would be your GORT
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I have a hunch there won’t be many comments here on this today….
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FOX seems to be taking Al Franken for it when Franken says “a couple of GOP senators think Trump has mental health problems”….They said “Trump’s getting people worried on BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE” No, only FRANKEN said they did.
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I agree, Z. He needs to 1) keep us safe; 2) create jobs. anything else is just distracting.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/bergdahl-hearing-expected-focus-criticism-trump-074818340.html
And now even THIS? OMG
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/edccce25-d565-36fb-9e18-21363c46f38d/ss_why-these-philadelphia.html
Shouldn’t they go to jail for breaking immigration law? Or are those days just plain OVER that anybody gets in trouble BUT Trump?
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He is who he is. A counter-puncher, and is and always has been pretty loosy goosy with his facts. But this is the guy we elected, warts and all. And wishing he would change his spots is not realistic. Time to do what most reasonable folks have to do, whether they like it or not: ‘you dance with them what brung ya.’
He may be a thin-skinned outspoken grouch, but he’s OUR thin-skinned outspoken grouch.
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Fredd, the problem is Republicans will start running from him if they’re up for reelection ….we absolutely will be DONE if we lose Senate and/or House.
http://www.mullings.com/
Important to absorb.
Here is something my buddy Rich said in that link which I have said for weeks “I know President Trump isn’t doing that, either, but the Administration didn’t seem to be interested in sending DHS Secretary, John Kelly, onto the Sunday shows to point out this was an Obama era program and, thus, soften some of the hard edges of the reporting.”
On the immigration purge we’re experiencing , the Left’s calling Trump a Fascist, etc, for rounding up and arresting criminal illegals but Obama apparently did that all the time..>FAR more than Trump’s done yet…. I believe he should be talking about this…Instead, it’s a FABULOUS way for the Left to dump horrible accusations because most Americans don’t know the truth.
That has to stop.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/tallest-dam-us-verge-collapsing-140742215.html
OFF TOPIC, this cracked me up about the dam about to burst in California…yes “California was UNPREPARED!” Apparently, the writer hasn’t seen the level of water in our state lately? Gosh, the drought’s been so bad we should have been spending money on preparing a dam for too much water, RIGHT?
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Maybe this is a law and order issue rather than an ego thing.
And ther is this –
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/12/noncitizen-voters-feud-between-academics-resurface/
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Kid, of course! That’s what I’m HOPING FOR…so let them wait to speak or QUOTE that article’s facts? That might help. The big majority of articles are how there IS NO FRAUD, whether it’s right or wrong doesn’t matter. If you don’t have facts, keep silent until you do.
That’s my only point.
I’m 1000% for legal voting, of course! I’d even go back to ONE day, a SATURDAY, on which to vote, etc…and NO provisional ballots, and everybody has ONE ID which is swiped and can’t be voted on again that year.
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I don’t think it’s an ego thing; I just know that when you’re making accusations you need ammo, right?
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I really like bocopro’s idea.
And I really don’t want illegals voting in majority for democrats or people voting twice or more for democrats. Legal voting would spelll the end of the democrats at the national llevel which is why they insist on broken system voting. So Pence is heading a task force to get the facts. I support that. We can do multiple thngs at once.
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Z, I agree that they shouldn’t have brought it up without the info. But now that they did the media is lying about there not being fraud, so I’m going to say I don’t see anything wrong with people saying there is significant evidence piling up that there was and we’ll present it to you either way when the investigation is done.
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Franken, media, all the rest. Vampires being drug into the sunlight. They’re going to stay in panic mode.
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@Kid…this says it all and should be enough proof that the system sux….
“So the Social Security Administration analysis found that “1.8 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 with Social Security numbers that did not match their real names.” Hmmm Makes you wonder then how many voted.”
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When they have better voter integrity in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is easy to see our system sucks.
http://tinyurl.com/grmnm63
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I have never heard Pence is leading a task force on voting and none of the articles I’ve read have mentioned it. I trust him completely and look forward to good information coming out , and quickly.
Imp, that’s awful….and let’s not forget how much money those working illegals send back to their home countries to support family there…
If their real names are on someone else’s SS card, I wonder if they can collect later on.
Did you see my link in a comment above…? 2 attorneys offering GREEN CARDS to illegals for $1…in reaction to Trump.
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With all the problems in the world today, there are Troudeau and Trump meeting with Canadian and American WOMEN to discuss their roles in business and how women can be better promoted, get more jobs, etc. I’d have thought they might meet on the Islamic threat or economics ..the border? I’m not saying they didn’t but there were about 25 women at that meeting and they each introduced themselves and spoke of their companies so you know this meeting took a WHILE.
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Media, Yep just like billy clinton at his trial said, “I’m not going to help you figure it out’. something to that effect.
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Looks like Trump and Troudeau didn’t spend their time at the meeting once the introductions were made….that’s a relief. Made me laugh that FOX is saying “It shouldn’t surprise anybody that there was this women’s business part of the trip”.
WHY?
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There’s too much crapolla being slung out there from both sides. People need to just shut up and get things done. In that regard, Trump is doing an outstanding job but needs to stick with his agenda and let his results do the talking. That would give his opposition a lot less to criticize.
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FOX right now “We could find NO EVIDENCE of any buses bringing in fraudulent voters”
They support the baseless allegations.. “simply untrue”.
State has photo ID law…”if you don’t have a photo ID they take your picture then and follow up on it”
Raise your hand if ANYBODY calls voters up and says “We took your picture, we want to make sure it was you, so would you please come in and we could check?”
WHAT RUBBISH. I hope the Trump people use THAT little fact as evidence.
“ridiculous and complete rubbish” is what’s being said by states being accused…some are offering rewards for proof there was fraud. WOW
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Mal, you make the mistake in thinking Dems want a Rep president to succeed.
But how can WE bitch when McConnell openly said he’d do anything to keep Obama from doing well? Not easy to defend our stance.
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SO ODD. I’m listening to Trump’s press conf. talk and he keeps referring to the meeting with Troudeau as future..”we will discuss…” I was curious because I think the one-on-one meeting is over…Then Troudeau spoke and answered me; it was “our meetings today WERE …”
Did someone write Trump’s talk without remembering he’d be giving it after the talks? OY
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Z, He’s talking about future talks as they do things like discuss tweaking the trade agreements and maybe some border security changes, etc.
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No, Z. I realize the Dems will keep it up, no matter what. I only meant there would be LESS fodder for them if he quit it.
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Kid, I just listened and it didn’t at all sound like that but I’m hoping so!
Mal…definitely.
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Z, What do you think of Trudeau? His whole speech sounded like a hallmark card. No substance.
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I thought the same thing….wishy washy, eager to please, immature. Hallmark Card is a great description.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-misquotes-abraham-lincoln-sparking-twitter-frenzy-154511094.html
Who’s in charge???
And Scott Baio, the barely acting actor, is boycotting Nordstrom’s cuz of their Ivanka snub; He was a member of the group I was in, Friends of Abe…good conservative. And speaking out! Which means he has a whole lot more money than I thought!
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@Z..I like Scotty…but he’s basically irrelevant in this war again.
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What I really don’t get is precisey what the hell the anti-Trumpers WANT!!
Do they genuinely believe that a 3rd Soetoro term, or a habitual felon, or a loony socialist, or a lying flip-flopper would actually be better for the nation than a guy who’s not in it for profit, who owes no political favors to any special-interest groups, and who is losing money BIG TIME by taking the job?
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Imp; I’m no particular fan of Baio’s but I only mentioned it because so few celebs are speaking up for Trump… at least some have the guts. I WISH it would be relevant….it’s clearly not.
Bocopro….Yes, they absolutely genuinely believe that Obama is KING and must come back.
Check this out, by the way: http://www.trunews.com/article/is-obama-forming-a-shadow-government-to-resist-trump=
That’s the kind of thing I resist posting but I’m thinking if we Cons hadn’t been so insulted and humiliated by the lefties in every way for years (especially during Bush II), we’d have realized some of the ‘nuts’ were right….like the Alex Jones guys. Michael Savage sounded like a total NUT to me and my husband years ago but what he said then IS happening now!
Please read my link and tell me what you think.
EVERYBODY; http://www.trunews.com/article/is-obama-forming-a-shadow-government-to-resist-trump=
please read this link and weigh in…nuts or not? who’s financing this whole thing if it’s true? Even I didn’t believe the Obamas were staying in DC for their daughter’s schooling…I just didn’t..never did.
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Z, that sounds like just more undermining opeations of the Pressident by the media. And Greece wants to become a province of the US? Hell yea they do, they’re frantically looking for someone else to stick a straw into and start sucking.
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Republica bananera, aqui venimos.
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Well, here in Idaho the GOP controls the entire government. Voter fraud?
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Kid, the Shadow Gov’t article sounds like that to you?
Obviously, it’s NOT a ‘shadow gov’t’, the guy uses a misnomer, it’d be more a RESISTANCE GOVERNMENT….
Bocopro…ojala que no.
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Al Franken wore a diaper. He’s a joke who won by voter fraud, Coleman just went of into the sunset. St. Louis County, Minnesota is well known for their shenanigans. A box of ballots was mysteriously found in the trunk of a car and Franken won by about 300 votes. He’s a joke and can’t be believed. He also said Bill O’Reilly was lying about living in Levittown, N.Y. O’Reilly brought in the deed to the house to prove that Franken is a lying POS. Put your diaper back on Al and be what you really are. A lying, whining lefty who has as much credibility as the rest of his lefty buddies.
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Should be “off.” Sorry.
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Bjerke…no, just smart citizens.
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Law and Order; I know all that, but it’s just another thing for the huge HEAP of anti-Trump stuff MOST people are paying attention to and NOT questioning as to veracity, sadly.
The jerk got elected to CONGRESS! And we think we have a chance in this country?
I guarantee that Kanye West or some other hip hop freak who’s popular enough could win next time….I swear, I think that. EVERY stupid kid would vote….
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What we all need to UNDERSTAND is all I’m trying to get across is : MR. TRUMP; GIVE THEM HELL WHEN YOU HAVE THE FACTS. MR TRUMP, TELL THE TRUTH ONLY IF YOU CAN BACK IT UP, DO NOT HAVE SURROGATES DEFENDING YOU WITH NO AMMUNITION. MR. TRUMP, IT MIGHT JUST BE BETTER IF YOU DO YOUR JOB AND STOP THE NASTY TWEETS, ONLY TWEET THINGS THAT COME ACROSS YOUR MIND THAT YOU REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW, NOT TO GET BACK AT ANYBODY.
MR. TRUMP…WE NEED YOU TO SHOW GREAT DIGNITY AND BE AS TOUGH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Thanks.
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Z, I haven’t seen any bad tweets. Have you? And yes, I think it’s all meant to deligitimize the President even more to the susceptible moronic rabid dog fascist liberals.
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Z, I saw what seemed like a valid prediction that clinton would run again. Good God, don’t put me through that again, and 2) This is the best they have? Really? Wow.
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Kid ,nearly all of Trump’s tweets make me cringe.
I can’t imagine Clinton would run again….what made it ‘valid’?
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I agree that Trump needs to quit shooting his mouth off. He’s actually doing a lot of good things and especially things that he promised to do. He’s locking up felon immigrants, he’s trying to secure the borders, although he could’ve done a better job with the travel ban. I hope he’ll fix the tax system, as he’s promised and the Republicans need to get rid of Obamacare. I hate that he constantly steps on his own message with his twittering. Stop it.
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Z,Ok. I personally don’t have a problem with Trump Tweets…
Valid ? Exsqueese me?
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Kid, you said it was a valid prediction…you mean by someone you’d have a tendency to believe, right? I HOPE THAT PERSON IS DEAD WRONG, right? 🙂
Law and Order….”STOP IT” is all I ask, dear friend!
I hope you’re doing well…and your family.
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Where Trump should rightly be defending his policies, intelligently and intellectually, he’s instead trying to delegitimize any person or entity that criticized him. In the end, all this strategy will do, is to delegitimize his Administration.
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Everyone has a drawback, C.I. and I believe you hit squarely on Trumps. In a perfect world, ……..
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(no. the cutoff was intentional……….)
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Mal – Agreed…though I worry when personal drawbacks have far reaching, and 2nd and 3rd order effects.
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True, C.I. Like I said, no one is perfect. That’s his drawback, but despite this, I still feel more comfortable with him than any of the alternatives at this point in time.
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