BOOKS:

-Got as NUMBER ONE FAVORITE?

-Do you read books more than once?  My ex-business partner read DAY OF THE JACKAL AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR!

-Is there a movie you thought was better than the book of the same title?

-If you could LIVE in a book, which would it be? (Like would you want to be Jack Reacher?, etc.)

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Z

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60 Responses to BOOKS:

  1. Gates of Fire, by Steven Pressfield. http://www.stevenpressfield.com/gates-of-fire/

    I used to read it once a year, and included it on a short professional reading list, for my Soldiers.

    Sadly, when film makers wanted to adapt the story of the Spartans [and allies] at Thermopylae, they chose Frank Black’s horrendous graphic novel over Pressfield’s book. Thus, 300 is a cartoon, rather than stunning blockbuster. A sad day indeed.

  2. bocopro says:

    Well, I read the Bible twice, once when I was about 12 and missed much of the allegory, metaphor, symbolism, and message, then again in my 50s when I had retired from the Navy and begun teaching.

    Knowing that the Bible and Shakespeare were the two most oft-quoted or referenced sources in all of Western literature (until recently), figgered I oughta bring myself up to speed on ‘em. Read the Qur’an, too (in English), refreshed myself on the Greeks and Norse, brought myself up to speed on Buddha, Zoroaster, Taoism, Shinto, and the differences between the Jewish and Christian gods.

    Back in the 60s and 70s, on long deployments at sea there wasn’t much to do when we weren’t working or standing watch except read, so we did. Once having read a book, we’d swap it with a shipmate for another. Over the course of 10 years or so, I must’ve read Catch-22 at least 6 times.

    One movie sticks out in my mind as being significantly more captivating and entertaining than the book – 2001: A Space Oddyssey. It was originally inspired by a Clarke short story (“The Sentinel,” as I recall), and the special effects of the movie blew away the novel, which Clarke produced while the movie was being made.

    Most of the westerns I saw back a long time ago were better than the books from which they were made, especially the John Ford westerns. But as for the classics, I don’t want some studio hack interpreting a writer’s concept of ethics or dignity or honor for me; I want that intimate uncontaminated relationship with the author’s mind without the qualifying opinion of some producer or director who’s in it for the fame and fortune.

    Shakespeare didn’t write books, of course, only poetry. And many of his 30-odd plays are tedious and contrived. Some are just preposterous. But he wrote for an audience which had never seen a movie or a video. Hence, most of the movies made from his material are much more entertaining than his words, IMO. His tenets, though, his exemplars, his metaphors, his deep understanding of the tricky business of being human, are timeless and universal.

    To live in a book – ah, that’s a tricky one. Maybe some of the adventures by Heinlein, or Asimov, or Bradbury. Of course I’d LOVE to be an uninvolved observer in 1930s Germany or Japan, or an adult in America in the 40s (my minor was in world history). Life much less comfortable, but more exciting, I think. What we have now is more creature comfy but excessively self-indulgent, paranoid, and dangerous.

  3. Kid says:

    I enjoyed Glory Road by Heinlien, but I’ll go with a book by Robert Sheckley that I can’t find the name of right now. It involved a man being beamed to a distant galaxy in a case of mistaken identity. His doppleganger had won the intergalactic space prize (sort of like a galactic Publishers Clearing House). The prize was a super computer the size of a pen, but that which had a variety of other functions such as being able to transport him from place to place as well as create pretty much anything he needed or wanted out of thin air.

    After discovering they had beamed up the wrong guy, they offered to give him the prize anyway and send him back home but they didn’t know where home was. It was apparently the prize winner’s responsibility to provide the coordinates for his home planet. The best they could do for him was take a description of Earth, then provide him with a list of 50,000 or so possible planets that fit the description. He spent the rest of his life travelling to each of the possible Earths and evaluating them as potential places to stay. Many of the places were very enticing but the story ended as he continued to travel to the next and the next.

    I enjoyed several of the Kurt Vonnegut stories as well.

  4. bunkerville says:

    “Stranger in a Strange Land” by Heinlien. It is in production for T.V. now. Will be interesting to see how it turns out. Listed as a comedy. Doubtful. Great read.

  5. geeez2014 says:

    CI….thanks…definitely not something that would probably interest me but I’m hoping others here will be enticed if you find it so good. Very sad they picked a book other than the one you think would have been so much better a film.

    Bocopro….Imagine a book like The Bible being written by sandal-wearing, no-computer, uneducated people who had to rely on word of mouth and pull New Testament together with Old, etc etc…..prophecy, parable……astonishing to think it’s written by desert wanderers.
    I think 1930’s Germany probably was fascinating…if not terrible to watch…though our hindsight contributes somewhat to that.
    I like your take on the old Westerns…very thoughtful and thought provoking.

    Kid, I have to admit I have zero interest in anything that smacks of science fiction but I LOVE your zeal for it! And, of course, you’re certainly not alone on that feeling!!

    Bunkerville…thanks; I have heard that title so often and never read it.

    THREE MENTIONS OF HEINLEIN IN FOUR COMMENTS ON BOOKS AND I HAVEN”T READ ANY. I need to look into THAT!! Odd, I think, that this happened.

  6. Imp says:

    “With the Old Breed” by Eugene Sledge & “Black Gun, Silver Star: The Life and Legend of Frontier Marshal Bass Reeves”.

  7. cube says:

    My choice for best book is “Infinite Jest” by David Foster Wallace. It’s not a book I’d recommend to people who don’t want to wrestle with a book and just want an easy read.

    Generally, I don’t reread books that aren’t textbooks, but when I found out that Frank Herbert had written a second trilogy to Dune, I reread the first Dune trilogy before starting the second. It was very hard and I was salivating to start the new books, but I felt I owed it to Herbert. Strangely, my husband has read Moby Dick many times. I don’t know how he can do that, but we’ve been married 34 years so maybe opposites do attract.

    Bocopro makes a good point about 2001:A Space Odyssey being cinematically better than the book , although I loved the book as well. I’m still a big fan of Arthur C. Clarke’s work. I would add the Harry Potter movies to that list only because they made the magic of the books come to life the way I saw them in my mind’s eye.

    If I had to live in the world of one of my books, I’d have to go back to my childhood… was Old McDonald’s Farm a book. Seriously, my reading fare is far too dystopic for me to want to live in it.

    BTW I grew up reading Robert Heinlein and he’s written many wonderful tales. Be prepared, he’s an acquired taste. Loving science fiction helps.

  8. bocopro says:

    Decades ago my reading selection process was to find something I liked and then go get paperbacks of everything that author wrote and read it in chronological order.

    Had to give that up when I encountered Asimov. Talk about prolific! I think he personally authored over 300 books and co-authored at least a hundred more, with collaboration on perhaps another hundred. Name a topic, he wrote on it. And he explained math, science, astronomy, physics, chemistry . . . even Shakespeare . . . in terms and examples understandable by any reader competent at the 6th-grade level.

    You read everything Isaac Asimov wrote and remember what you read and you’ll have the equivalent of several BA, BS, and maybe even an MS or two degrees.

    Heinlein could get a bit far out from time to time, but nestled amongst the shards and explosives and pitfalls that dropped from his tortured imagination are profound observations and delectably quotable aphorisms.

    Bradbury went into the hinterlands of imagination, too. And Herbert . . . W-A-Y out there. Clarke was just ahead of his time, but very realistic.

    Vonnegut — wry teaser. A bit meshuga, and certainly an iconoclast, but I read his entire canon. Even taught several of ’em in my lit classes. Cat’s Cradle is eminently quotable. A mind which can produce gems like “Science is magic that works” or the wisdom of Bokonon is worth a few hours now and then.

    At the top of my course syllabus for Drama and Lit was his

    “Tiger got to hunt
    bird got to fly
    Man got to ask himself ‘why, why, why?’

    Tiger got to sleep
    Bird got to land
    Man got to tell himself he understand.”

    If that ain’t the natural order of things in human history, I donno whut am.

  9. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…I had the pleasure of meeting Bradbury after he talked at a local library; friends kind of ‘knew’ him….curmugdeonly but a nice curmudgeon!

    Cube, I do NOT like Sci Fi 😦

    DOESN’T ANYBODY READ REBECCA ANYMORE? 🙂

    Imp, since I’m a pretty big wild west history person that might appeal to me!? A friend is from a tiny town the Dalton gang is from….I have a magnet she brought me from there on my fridge. weird 🙂

  10. Imp says:

    bocopro…”as being significantly more captivating and entertaining than the book – 2001: A Space Oddyssey. It was originally inspired by a Clarke short story (“The Sentinel,” as I recall), and the special effects of the movie blew away the novel, which Clarke produced while the movie was being made.”

    Made in 1969 too….I remember this being one of the most significant and amazing space flick of my life. I still watch it for the special effects and cinematography alone. I sat spellbound in my seat as I watched it on the big screen for the first time. I was excited at the possibilities that this just might happen by 2001 too. Additionally, I never understood the ending. And I had to read the book 2 more times again…and then re watch the movie. Kubrick was a genius IMO. I can’t think of one movie he made I didn’t like. He was a perfectionist too that drove some of the actors crazy with his many many retakes. YouTube has a movie explaining the making of 2001 also. It’s an inside look at how he did the special effects and the inventions he created in the photography to get what he wanted.

    For years I used the Hal voice for my mail alert on my PC to replace the lame stock windows tone!! It was…”There is a message for you.” And “Just a moment. Just a moment.” for my painstakingly long long windoze startup sound. It’s still available on the web.

    Try it for laughs or to download one….

    Excellent choice Mr. Bocopro.

    http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/2001.htm

  11. Imp says:

    Z…”Imp, since I’m a pretty big wild west history person that might appeal to me!?”

    Well…it’s about the first Black US Marshall lawman in the country and how feared he was by any outlaws he was chasing! A remarkable and fascinating story not only about the man but from a historical perspective too on the Wild untamed West. He was respected and extremely effective fore his time. There’s some very interesting twists too about just how honorable this unique man was. Kind of like a David Clarke in his day? I think it was Mustang with his stories on the Old West that drove me to buy it on Amazon. I don’t think you’d be disappointed if it’s the West that fascinates you.

  12. Imp says:

    Even his name was too cool… 🙂

  13. Imp says:

    Mr. Bocopro…Part one…a starter for you on 2001.

  14. With the Old Breed is a great read.

  15. Imp says:

    CI…yes it is….and Chuck Tatums book, Red Blood, Black Sand: With John Basilone on Iwo Jima. I’ve been trying to get my hands on all these type of books on the first hand accounts of the Marines on Iwo and in the Pacific theater. That Unbroken and O’Reilly’s book, “Killing the Rising Sun” are an eye opener as to the fierceness, barbarity and savagery of the Japanese fighters.

    I think as a country, we focused more on Europe and not enough on what the Marines went through going from Guadalcanal and island to island. The hardships and the bravery in combat were unmatched by anything I’ve read on Europe. And these were 18 year olds. The HBO series by Tom Hanks on the Pacific was taken from Sledge’s book too.

  16. bocopro says:

    Imp — thanx.

    In its time, a groundbreaker of first-order magnitude. And tying Nietzsche to the film with the Zarathustra theme is as powerful as tying Siegfried to Arthur with Wagner’s funeral music. Hard to discount that O Fortuna allusion, too.

    The “Thus Spake” got my attention immediately, but I never saw the monolith as a teacher or a prompter for the discovery of the hammer, merely an observer to relay that singularity in the development of the species back to the advanced race keeping an eye on us.

    Though I never pay any attention to award shows, I admit to admiring music, backdrop, lighting, costume, and other specialties in the creation of good flicks. The actors are commodities where good scripts with good directors and good support specialists are there. And if ever you find yourself wondering how important music is to mood and suspense and foreshadowing and all that, just watch Soul Train with the sound off one time.

    Last movie I watched in a theater was Close Encounters. Yeah, yeah . . . I know. Old fudd, right? Preposterous movie, but I gotta admit that the appearance of that spectacular craft over the Devil’s Tower was a moving experience for me, much more than the magnificent cinematography and staging of 2001, which is a much better movie.

    Metaphor be with you.

  17. Imp says:

    Bocopro…”that spectacular craft over the Devil’s Tower was a moving experience for me…”

    That too was a fantastic movie for me. I’m not that big of a Dreyfus fan….but he did well in that flick. The special effects and the musical notes to “speak” / communicate with the mother ship were the best part. It was a simple and ingenious way to think that might be the simplest, fundamental way to converse.

  18. Mal says:

    Z, you may remember my mentioning last year that I didn’t enjoy reading many books, but failed to say why, really. Because when I do I get totally engrossed in what I’m reading and hate any interruptions until I’m finished and I don’t like that feeling. Since then I read a short book one of my doctors gave me to read after we had a short discussion on politics (both of us being pro-Trump) titled “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat, “the classic blueprint for a Free Society”, but it was barely 75 pages long so hardly qualifies as a book. Ergo, sadly, I have no “favorites” to share.

  19. Do you read books more than once?

    Yes!

    A few examples:

    1. Most recently, I read the library copy of Charles Murray’s Coming Apart twice, then bought my own copy.

    2. Another that I’ve read over and over again: Stephen King’s 11/22/63 and The Green Mile.

    3. For several years running, from ages 10-16, I read Louisa May Alcott’s Little Women every summer — while sitting under our tall weeping willow trees.

    4. Classics that I teach in Literature classes — too many to name.

    5. John Gunther’s memoir Death Be Not Proud. It’s about his son Johnny, who died of brain cancer in 1949.

    6. Various of John Steinbeck’s books.

    7. And the Bible, of course.

    Is there a movie you thought was better than the book of the same title?

    Two:

    1. Jaws — the middle section was about the romance between the shark specialist and Brody’s wife, and I was bored. “Get back to the shark!”

    2. Forrest Gump — a depressing and pessimistic book, but the movie is an optimistic jewel.

  20. Z,
    DOESN’T ANYBODY READ REBECCA ANYMORE?

    Oh, yes! In fact, my Literature class next year will be reading it.

  21. Baysider says:

    I’m with CI on Gates of Fire! Fabulous book.
    Now I want to read the Bass Reeves book. I’ve gotten several excellent reads from Mustang’s blog. One of them is a top 3 book on my list of all time: The Village, by Bing West.
    #2 is They Fought Alone: Wendell Fertig and the WW2 guerrilla Campaign in the Philippines.
    These both transcend war to reveal much more about human behavior that any official report or study.
    Then, of course, there’s THE BIBLE. Yea!

    Movies: Any James Bond movie based on an Ian Fleming book is better than his juvenile and boring writing. For the opposite of that, I’d nominate the Master and Commander movie, the disjointed hodgepodge of sea stories loosely based on the very excellent naval history novels by Patrick O’Brian. By all means, Z, if you’re inclined I can loan you the WHOLE SERIES. They are marvelous.

  22. Imp says:

    Has anyone ever read Tom Robbins novels? ” Still Life with the Woodpecker”? Even Cowgirls Get the Blues”? Skinny Legs and All”? “Jitterbug Perfume”?…I’m hooked on this guy.

  23. Mal – Bastiat’s The Law may not be a “book”…but it should be required reading in every public school cirriculum.

  24. bocopro says:

    This is all makin me wonder . . . . .

    As y’all know, I like to write. So far I’ve cranked out around a dozen novels/novellas and around twenty short stories. Sometimes when I hafta take Milady to her eye specialist appointments or other doctor visits where she won’t be able to drive herself home, I take stuff I’ve written years ago and re-read it.

    Never asked anybody, but I wonder how commonplace that is amongst compulsive writers. Sure tells me a lot about my progression through life, my attitudes, beliefs, biases, interests.

    After I write a story, I put it away for several months to molder as I develop time distance from it to allow me to go back and effectively, objectively, edit it. What I often find is that my characters have sneaked into the limbic section of my brain and unearthed stuff I don’t particularly want anybody else to know.

    When that happens, I take the story or poem or essay or story out in the back yard and burn it page by page. Very cathartic. Very therapeutic. With some of the older ones I did NOT burn I often find myself muttering, “What the hell was I thinking!” Makes me wonder about some of the political stuff I’ve posted on websites since the Slick error.

    Yeah, I re-read my own stuff, even my notes from lit and psych classes all those years ago.

  25. geeez2014 says:

    Imp; I’ve always thought we spent more time on the travails of our troops in Europe than other areas..>I agree. People say O’Reilly’s RISING SUN book is excellent but the KILLING JESUS was SO dry as dirt that I don’t feel like trying another…!??

    Bocopro…”metaphor be with you” Wonderful! By the way, you mentioned your last name the other day, is BOCOPRO actually your name? Italian?

    Mal! That’s a BOOK! I’m glad you enjoyed it!

    Baysider, our taste reading couldn’t be more different, but thank you for the offer!

    AOW: Do you remember the BETSY SERIES?? Maud Lovelace? The corniest loveliest books to read as a 11 year old! I love the image of you sitting under willows reading Little Women….have been wracking my brain to remember what book I’ve read twice; I honestly don’t think I HAVE!!
    I adore Forest Gump, I’m with you on that….and Jaws is very good.

    A LOT OF THE BOOKS ALL OF YOU’VE BEEN DESCRIBING WHICH SEEM BETTER AS A MOVIE ARE BIG SPECIAL EFFECTS MOVIES AND THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME…ALL THAT PIZZAZZ IS HARD TO GET FROM READING IT AS WELL AS SEEING IT.

    ALL: WHEN IT COMES TO WAR MOVIES, “DESTINATION TOKYO” IS MY NUMBER ONE..it has EVERYTHING.

    oNE OF MY favorite books is TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD and I actually think the movie was better…the movie utter perfection; everything from cinematography to the haunting music.

    FAVORITE BOOK OF Z? No way to say….I study The Bible and can’t say that’s not on top of the list. But I LOVE books like Rebecca, I adore Martha Grimes mysteries, and Lee Child, of course…as mnetioned previously!….too many books to write here, I guess. Maybe I’m wishy washy 🙂 AOW mentioned Steinbeck and I have to say I thought THE GRAPES OF WRATH was fabulous. Any writer who can write a desert scene with a lizard slithering across the sand and keep me interested is one GOOD writer.

  26. geeez2014 says:

    Imp; I did read EVEN COWGIRLS but can’t remember a thing about it now!

    BOCOPRO: I have picked up books I’ve written and read them….I’ve never finished one but I have a LOT of pages of one in particular. I’m ashamed to say I was surprised how good it was and kept my attention; I’d not looked at it in 10 years. And I had a little less written of a book that I think is even better, if I do say so myself. I have completed on children’s book and should be sending it out but…what’re the chances? I actually think the message is a good one.

    AOW AND BOCOPRO: Our AMAZING English teacher at the High school I’m assocaited with gave the kids the assignment to write a short children’s book based on various parts of their choice from THE ODYSSEY! SHe also had them memorize a short passage they liked and put music to it, maybe a prop, and present it in class…Happily, I was the sub that day and got to grade them. That was terrific. I wish I could think of all the clever things she does.
    I’d never EVER EVER have 14-15 yr old kids even reading THe Odyssey but she does it every year!
    I can’t tell you how many times I have to say “If you stopped at the punctuation, you’d actually be able better to figure out what you’re reading” When I’ve had them read out loud. they plow right thru commas and you can’t tell at all what the heck they’re saying. Welcome to American middle school. Our teacher gets them to stop that bad habit by the time they’re sophomores.

  27. geeez2014 says:

    CI!!! I was reading the latest CHILD book at the hairdresser today and marked this for you because it’s so typical of some of the great ways he puts things:

    “Reacher nodded. He had dealt with German cops before. Both military and civilian. Not always easy. Mostly due to different perceptions. Germans thought they had been given a country, and Americans thought they had bought a large military base with servants.” 🙂

    LOVE him

  28. bocopro says:

    No, my family name isn’t BoCoPro. That’s a contraction/acronym of a tag I got as a contributor on a blog years ago. The owner/administrator came from the same area I grew up in. Knowing that I was a Boone County boy and a faculty member at the local university, he titled my column “Boone County Professor.”

    Another contributor shortened it to BoCoPro and it stuck. When I mentioned you could check my name on my e-mail address, that was in reference to the thread discussing Germany, which is where my family name originated even tho I’m predominantly Scottish/Irish/English. I just didn’t particularly want to broadcast the name these days.

    I taught a elderhostel groups creative writing a coupla times at the university as a public service (no pay). We met for around 10 weeks, and I asked them to generate poems and short stories we could discuss in class. Most were amenable to it.

    What surprised me most was how earthy and naughty some of the older ladies could get in their symbolism and allusions. Most were older than I was (which was early 60s at the time), and I got a kick out their calling me “young man.”

    Their grammar and mechanics were surprisingly good compared to what I was seeing from recent high-school graduates, and many of their themes were poignant, profound, prurient, and private. One group was particularly adept at haiku. They took my advice for tightening up their fog index and flowery language quite well.

    One lady wrote a nice vignette about a tragedy in her family and submitted it for class autopsy. We whittled it down from around 22 pages to something like 10 and she was very pleased. I think she took it to her pastor who worked it into their church magazine.

    Once we got into symbolism and allusion, I couldn’t get ’em to shut up. Like the little kid who gets a hammer for Christmas and suddenly realizes that everything around him is in serious need of great deal of hammering. Hope they got over it after the semester was done.

  29. bocopro says:

    Oh, and I left the “s” off the word “metaphor” back there. Shoulda read Metaphors Be With You.

    Picked that up from another site I visit regularly. Can’t take credit for it.

  30. Bob says:

    I have a rule that I don’t read books over. But, not all books are books, at least story books. For example, I have read and re-read many chapters from many text books in math and science. I have read and re-read many of the books in the Bible, but I think of the Bible as a different sort of book.

    My wife and I read over a dozen or more fiction books every month between us. These are from the Kindle Unlimited series where you pay Amazon $14.95 per month for an unlimited number of books. These books are never the really good books, and often are pretty low in quality from unknown or never to be known authors. I never re-read one of mine, but my wife has gone back and read some where it had been a year or more and she didn’t remember the whole story.

    Over several years I read the entire 14 volume series of Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time fantasy books, over 11,900 paper-back pages. The reason for all the years is that you had to wait a year or more for the next volume. A few years ago, I LISTENED to the entire series on Audible Books. So, I didn’t re-read the series. Listening to the series was enjoyable, and I think was a different experience. The problem with listening to long books like this is that naps will overtake you, and you wind up re-winding the recording to find the correct place.

  31. Bob says:

    Folks. Do all ya’ll realize just how interesting your comments are? I find that I have a lot in common with many here, but perhaps that should not be a surprise. Asimov, Heinlein, Pournell, Niven, and many other sci-fi authors were part of my education.

    AOW. I just bought Murray’s “The Bell Curve” for a second time, so this will be one of those rare books I will read twice. I read it when it was first published, and often reveled in the fact that I knew more than those who were criticizing Murray simply because I HAD READ THE BOOK. Now, the subject of The Bell Curve has re-arisen, and I bought the Kindle version so I could revisit all the information about IQ’s. I will check out the book you reference.

  32. Kid says:

    Re-Reading. Well actually, I re-read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut as it gets more relevant by the minute as do the thoughts of one George Orwell. It’s a very short story about the political environment we find outselves dealing with in 2016.

    Here she blows – https://archive.org/stream/HarrisonBergeron/Harrison%20Bergeron_djvu.txt

    These days I don’t do much reading but when I do I like to romance novels. Romance novels about transgender romances actually. Some of the dressing up and dressing down stuff gets a little racy but then you have the humorous chapters about how they pick clothes and various gifts out for each other and together try to search out transgender bigots they can expose and shake down. It’s a different lifestyle let me tell you. Very eye opening.

  33. Kid says:

    Bob, Robert Sheckley’s books are very eclecic and creative. Very entertaining.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sheckley

  34. Kid says:

    He also types better than I do.

  35. Imp says:

    “the KILLING JESUS was SO dry as dirt that I don’t feel like trying another…!??

    Yes…it was. But remember….I think this was his first shot at this series? Killing Lincoln , Kennedy and Patton are excellent reads…as is killing the Rising Sun. I learned much that I didn’t know about the Japanese, their Emperor, their bushido and culture….which explains their total savagery and dedication to the war. That alone was worth the price. I’d say he’s improved quite a bit.

  36. Imp says:

    “Transgender romances actually”

    Ya son of a bee hive…..you owe me a new keyboard.

  37. Kid says:

    IMP, Over the years I’ve read much about the treatment of POW’s by the Japanese, usually relayed by military veterans, some with first or 2nd hand knowledge, as well as their treatment of the Chinese as they roared through their invasion of China. Makes the IS savages almost look tame. Makes the Germans seem like day care center operators.

  38. Kid says:

    IMP, What’s your favorite brand of keyboard?

  39. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, you are killing me with your romance novels comment 🙂
    By the way, EVERYBODY types better than you !! HA!
    Germans ARE day care center operators..for little muslim kids created by their mothers and their fathers’ concubines…as many as possible…they insist they open private muslim day care centers and don’t charge and the Germans are like “Yavol…Kein Problem!:” (no problem) idiots

    Imp…ya, glad you found Jesus dull, too (pardon the expression!!!!) I mean THE BOOK, of course…..good to know he’s improved…

    Bob, aren’t they FABULOUS comments?! I love them! And I, too, am amazed at so many mentioning Heinlein..gad, I WISH I LIKED SCIFI!!!
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  40. Imp says:

    Kid…LazyTech…one that’s works on auto typing? Cause can’t Bubba.

  41. Kid says:

    Ok Imp, a new one is on the way.

  42. Kid says:

    Thanks Z, but I was talking about the Germans vs the Japs during WWII

  43. Kid says:

    Example. A famous Top Gun RAF fighter pilot who had lost both of his lower legs was still flying with prothetics (I’ll look up the story if you want) I think he was one of the top 10 aces of WWII,
    He was shot down in Germany, and in the process of bailing out had to leave one of his prosthetics behind in the cockpit.

    The Germans actually arranged for a new prosthetic to be flown in to near the POW camp in a Spitfire, which was cleared all the way in and out of Germany so the new leg could be dropped by parachute.
    The Germans respected good fighters/pilots/etc. The Japs would have tortured this man beyond human limits, eventually killing him in the most cruel way they could devise.

  44. Imp says:

    Kid…”Makes the Germans seem like day care center operators.”

    Well we need not mention the killing camps…do we. Look…I think for the most part the Wehrmacht and their Generals were soldiers and respected the rule of war and with rare exception treated POW’s with some civility and decency. I know that many of them disliked and despised the Nazi’s. There were may attempts on Hitlers life…and many unreported too. The Real soldiers wanted to save Germany and make peace…cause they knew Hitler was going to destroy them and Germany. The turning point was the eastern front against Russia. The knew then he was crazy and had to be stopped.

    Compared to the Japanese barbarity in China….400,000 civilians killed in the Nanking Massacre alone…the Germans on the battlefield never committed crimes like that. Hitler was a fool when he tried to purge the Jews….major mistake and unforgivable. I think if he left the German Jews alone…he might have won the war and Europe in the process? BTW…it was FRANCE that was the first Western nation to turn the Jews over to the Nazis…FRANCE…and again…they’re starting up with the old anti semitism again…could be fueled by their 12% of mooslem slime bags too.

  45. Kid says:

    IMP, I don’t know how many resources were directed away from the war effort to kill 6 million Jews. I tend to think it was negligible. I believe Hitler’s biggest mistake was doing a double cross on Russia. He literally threw away massive numbers of German soldiers at Stalingrad. Maybe he should have left Russia alone until he acquired more countries and many more conscripts.

    Like Patton wanted to deal with Russia after the war was over in Europe.

    And he kicked the whole thing off way too early. Should have been building Panzer tanks and ME262’s by the 100’s before he even kicked it off. The world was asleep and had no idea what he was up to. So, as you state, he was the problem. Many Germans did not support what he was up to.

    France, Well, if only Z could have straightened them out while she was over there.

    Unreal what the EU countries are doing to themselves. While Merkel frantically imports moslems hoping one or more of them will have their way with her, the German Intelligence Chief warns “Islamist attacks possible at any moment”.
    https://www.rt.com/news/379875-germany-terrorist-attacks-possible/

  46. Imp says:

    KId..”Should have been building Panzer tanks and ME262’s by the 100’s before he even kicked it off.”

    Hell yea…and if he had some more time to work out the oil / fuel problem…which he had just begun to do…the gasification of coal into fuel for vehicles…tanks…planes…ect. German aircraft and weapons were fare superior to the Allies. And… he was so close to the bomb too. If he had a long range bomber and 2 years…we’d be Weiner Schnitzel lovers. Remember…they did have ICBM’s of a sort. That’s why we nabbed Werner Von Braun…who was a Nazi colonel too.

  47. Kid says:

    Yea, the V2 was the first cruise missile. It came down faster than the speed of sound so it hit before you even knew it was coming.

  48. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, I know that’s what you were talking about and I agree…but I had to throw in my political rant about TODAY 🙂
    I actually stood ON THE SPOT where Claus Von Stauffenberg was shot in the Armory/Police station in Berlin. Talk about goosebumps…me, Mr. Z, some people from a publishing party that was for Mr. Z’s employee who’d just released a book on the German Resistance, which was HUGE and pretty much ignored.
    At a movie screening, I sat right next to the Austrian head of the Resistance during WWII…for a big job, he was about 5’8″, weighed maybe 150 lbs dripping wet! Amazing guy

  49. Kid says:

    Z, Ah, Ok, sorry I misread.

  50. Baysider says:

    Mal and CI – I LOVE Bastiat’s “The Law”, own a copy and it is a book I’ve read more than once.

  51. Bob,
    I find it interesting how accepted J.D. Vance’s memoir Hillbilly Elegy is (on all the bestseller lists at the moment). Yet, Charles Murray’s book Coming Apart presents the stats for the same basic thesis and Murray’s book is condemned. In my view, Murray’s book provides the stats backing up what Vance said.

  52. Z,
    Our AMAZING English teacher at the High school I’m assocaited with gave the kids the assignment to write a short children’s book based on various parts of their choice from THE ODYSSEY!

    Great idea!

  53. Z,
    Do you remember the BETSY SERIES?? Maud Lovelace?

    I don’t know those books. Sorry.

  54. Mal says:

    I agree, C.I. “The Law” should be required reading in public schools. I also believe they should have more financial training in areas of budgeting, mortgages, credit cards, etc. You know, REAL “home economics.” Coming from 35 years of banking and mortgage lending I’ve seen it all.

  55. Couldn’t agree more. I’d be happy if kids these days knew about balancing a check book…

    And to the curriculum wish list, I’d add firearms safety and basic first aid.

  56. bocopro says:

    My grandmother, who’d already raised 7 kids before getting her hands on me, had distilled her criteria for a successful adult into a brief list of abilities:

    fire and maintain a gun
    change a diaper
    balance a checkbook
    butcher a hog
    know what’s legal and what’s not
    grow a tomato
    fix an engine
    stoke a furnace
    build a doghouse
    read the Bible
    dig a grave
    make cordwood
    set and splint a broken leg
    stop drinking when he’s had enough

    There were more, of course, but that’s pretty much the gist of it. When you raise kids during the Great Depression, you tend to get a bit pragmatic and earthy.

  57. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…was her last name WALTON? 🙂
    CI…good additions

  58. geeez2014 says:

    CI!!! I was reading the latest CHILD book at the hairdresser today and marked this for you because it’s so typical of some of the great ways he puts things:

    “Reacher nodded. He had dealt with German cops before. Both military and civilian. Not always easy. Mostly due to different perceptions. Germans thought they had been given a country, and Americans thought they had bought a large military base with servants.” 🙂

  59. Heh…..that sounds exactly like the Polizei that I’ve encountered! Granted…these during these encounters, I was a snot-nosed Infantry Private back in the ’80’s.

  60. bocopro says:

    “Bocopro…was her last name WALTON?”

    She was a Campbell who married a Hicks. She had 12 (that’s TWELVE) siblings, and one of her sisters married a Walton.

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