Sunday Faith Blog

I’m pretty sure I’ve never asked specifically for prayers for Donald Trump and his family.   I know most of you’ve been doing it, but I thought I’d write a reminder today.

“Please, God, protect the Trump family.  Stop the hatred the left holds against them and have the left start putting America first (we know you can do miracles), as Trump seems to be doing.   The hate has to stop, it’s unhealthy and destructive to us and sends a terrible message to the world in which Trump is trying to calm things down.  

Help Melania cope with the constant insults to her and with the huge responsibility she now faces.  Help Trump’s children also put America first, learning how not to do business which gives the media chances to mischaracterize and insult.  Help their youngest son, Baron, cope with what must be horrible New York liberal remarks in his school there and help them find just the right school for the fall, one in which he feels appreciated and encouraged.

We pray that Mike Pence’s strong faith will show Trump the power of prayer so that he, too, starts to put faith in Your power and goodness.  Help him to study about You and to come to understand that Your goodness doesn’t mean ‘everything’s fine now,’ and help him to understand Your mysteries, put up with disappointments he thought You would fix, and still rely on YOU.

We need big time help in America.  We pray that the media wakes up to their unAmerican treatment of Trump and this country, and the jeopardy their horrible insults are putting us all in.  Stop their constant hate.

We pray for revival;  the only thing that will bring America back.   Amen”

Please add anything you’d like to that prayer….in Comments.   

11 If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.  1 Peter 12:  11-12

Pray hard…Trump needs it, America needs it…WE all need it.

And please continue to PRAY FOR IMP…he’s taking really strong pain killers and he’s out of the excruciating pain…but that’s not a solution, so keep praying for his comfort, for his wife, and for wisdom for the doctors.  Thanks.

Z

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58 Responses to Sunday Faith Blog

  1. bocopro says:

    My mother, who never set foot inside a church in her entire adult life except for the occasional wedding or christening or funeral told me . . . and anyone else who would listen . . . that the US began a downward slide the day God was kicked out of the classroom, it gained speed when the Bible was tossed out of school, and it became vertical when prayer was banned from official meetings and ball games.

    If she prayed at all, it was in private, and she was respectful and courteous when others did it in public. She believed that prayer was a form of meditation and introspection which might not help in the big picture but sure couldn’t hurt and generally made the prayer feel better.

  2. John M. Berger says:

    @bocopro,

    “the US began a downward slide the day God was kicked out of the classroom, it gained speed when the Bible was tossed out of school, and it became vertical when prayer was banned from official meetings and ball games.”

    Yes, that says it all!

  3. geeez2014 says:

    bocopro, your mother was right, at least on the downslide….I’ve said that for years….you could do a graph showing faith in God and goodness in America both represented by the same line…DOWN.

    JMB…they prayed at BALL GAMES? I didn’t know that.

  4. John M. Berger says:

    “JMB…they prayed at BALL GAMES? I didn’t know that.”
    I really don’t know to what extent, if at all, that occurred but if such is “banned” that speaks volumes about our demise!

  5. bocopro says:

    When I was a kid, we often had invocations before the start of sanctioned school sports activities. I assumed it was a fairly common practice . . . usually a very brief “Lord, in Your mercy, look after these young people in their games and protect them from harm. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.”

    The ones for city council meetings and other official business were usually longer and focused on judgment and patience and understanding instead of injury or anger.

    Nobody else ever did that?

  6. Various government functions still begin with an invocation, and from childhood, and attending church, I never understood the need to invoke a creator at a secular, government event. I still don’t.

    I hope Imp feels better, sans painkillers, and soon.

  7. Silverlady says:

    Best wishes to Imp. When I have a neuropathy foot attack I have to take a strong codein scrip pill. Doesn’t really affect the pain, but does help dull the brain a bit.

    If something disastrous or deadly befalls Pres. Trump, or any member of his family, the primary blame should be laid at the brainwashed lamestream media’s doorstep. Plus the print, gossip, gabble, & airhead programs, both day & night. Collectively I class these Dem-bots as evil to the nth degree. The likes of these lemmings are so far beyond the Pale that you can’t even see them ~~~~ I wish. And they are so dumb that many would think i spelled ‘Pale’ the wrong way, but I didn’t.

  8. Adrienne says:

    I always pray for God’s will to be done. In particular when an odious person dies and everyone jumps on the “I hope he rots in hell” bandwagon. That’s a very dangerous perversion of the virtue of Hope.

  9. CI, our founders invoked God often in the founding. They seemed to see the need.
    IIRC the Constitutional Congress impass was broken with prayer.

  10. Prayers for those who have the rule over us, and IMP.
    Please remember my friend Linda.
    She beat breast cancer yrs ago, now needs to beat liver cancer.

  11. Mal says:

    Your mother was a wise woman, Bocopro, because we certainly do keep sinking further and further into a sinful society. My fervent prayer is that Trump will be His answer and turn us around.

  12. Ed, not surprising given that that time was not far removed from fines for not tithing or attending church services.

  13. Mal says:

    You mean there was such a time, CI, where folks could actually be fined for NOT tithing? I was unaware of that! Good grief!

  14. Mal says:

    And further, it must’ve meant even if they chose to be an Atheist, which was okay under our Freedom of Religion, they still had to tithe?

  15. Mal – I haven’t found many primary sources that speak to recognition of Athesim; but the fines varied by colony, seemingly usually around 10 Shillings. Fines were also levied if one didn’t baptise their child. These were carryovers of course, from England.

  16. Baysider says:

    Ben Franklin famously called for prayers imploring the Almighty’s grace each day as the constitutional convention was underway with little to show for their efforts at that point.

  17. Baysider says:

    And yes, Z, excellent request. Should be our first resort/

  18. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…a friend in Indiana says his City Council still prayers before meetings.
    “Lord, in Your mercy, look after these young people in their games and protect them from harm. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.” WOW, that’s threatening to America, huh? (Smile)
    Yes, it keeps our kids humble, believing in a higher power than themselves and gives such hope.

    Adrienne…I love what you wrote….I thought I had a character flaw for not wanting to see people tortured for bad things they did, no matter what it was. I appreciate that you feel the same way. I do believe in justice, but can’t BRING myself to wish others harm no matter what. And I’m NO goody two-shoes, I just never have been able to. Thanks.

    CI, so it’s your belief that the founding fathers and other Christians in our earlier days only prayed or tithed because of the consequences? I searched for a few minutes looking for Americans who had to pay fines for not tithing or not going to church…I can only find it happening in England…can you link me some stuff on it because I’d never heard that and find it interesting…

    Ed, I’m so sorry about your friend and will pray.
    Also, the gorgeous statements from our Founding Fathers regarding their faith are inspiring and sure kept people living good, kind, respectful lives.
    Back in the day, an older couple could indicate to a teen that the car radio was too loud and the teen would turn it off quickly…today the older couple gets flipped off. Is that a direct result of no churching, probably not….is there a connection. I would say UNDOUBTEDLY. I see TOO many kids who are still great fun-loving kids, but wouldn’t do certain things most kids DO because their faith keeps them clean and happy and secure.

  19. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider, thanks…I think so. Saw TOM today and mentioned your having met…he had nice things to say about you!
    Did you know that Americans were fined for not attending church or tithing back in the days of our founding fathers? I thought they LEFT England for that kind of silly rules!!

  20. Baysider says:

    I believe the New England Puritans required church attendance by law, and did exact fines. Seems to me I have read Samuel Sewell talking about people fined for celebrating Christmas as well, which Puritans made a point to treat as any other day. These seem to have stopped just before the revolutionary war period. Quakers paid a lot of fines! Yes – I’ve found it here in the sabbath in Puritan New England.

  21. bocopro says:

    Ed:
    Linda S has liver cancer now? That’s just not fair. Last I heard she was workin to help Rodge get his site recombobulated. Or is it another LInda?

  22. Baysider says:

    Boston was an interesting place in late Puritan days. The mother country dumped a lot of unwanteds on Boston. Many of these were artists, perhaps street performers who were considered troublesome and out of step and – in England – subject to punishment of having a thumb cut off, I believe. Exile to Boston was an alternate choice, and many did that. At one point you had the rather uneasy situation of 3/4 of Bostonians being Puritan or having some kind of strict observance of the bible, and 1/4 being these feckless freespirited exiles dumped into a very strict culture.

  23. Z – I believe they did so because of both social norms and the consequences. That’s not to say that that weren’t believers, but think of how many church goers regularly attend and tithe [especially the recommended amount] compared to then.

    A good reference that I have on my bookshelf [and thanks to Google books, I can share it] is No Establishment of Religion: America’s Original Contribution to Religious Liberty. Search for Mandatory Attendance at Religious Worship Services in the State Church.

  24. Mal says:

    CI, I believe the reason most people stopped tithing is because the government took over what the churches use to do for the needy. Two big differences, though. The church made sure those that got the help, needed the help, and secondly, it didn’t take thousands of people and billions of dollars to run it.

  25. Mal – That’s a fair argument, for the demographic that attends church……but how does that square with with being faithful? For the record, I’d love for State entitlements to whither away and for churches and charities to fill that void.

  26. Mal says:

    CI, the site you showed asked it the Constitution favored one religion over another, or if symbols, etc. could be displayed leads me to say yes, it did, by displaying references to God, Moses and the 10 Commandments all over D.C. That in my mind establishes the Constitution did favor our one religion.

  27. Mal says:

    Oh! me too, CI. The churches were much more efficient at it, and it allows people to do their religious duty if they pleased, not forced upon them by the government and given to a bunch of ungrateful, lazy, unentitled druggies.

  28. Oh, but it doesn’t. Which “one” religion? The Constitution is a completely secular document, as the Founders designed it. That’s why I continually ask……is it proper and just to use State venues and official time….to acknowledge the existence off a creator as an institutional practice? This doesn’t rebuke the influences that guided our system of jurisprudence [much of which emanate from Greek and Justinian law]…but calls into question the role of government for “all the people”.

    It’s not even a matter of religious freedom, as anyone can invoke their God at anytime, in any school or government function…..so long as it doesn’t hold the involuntary public hostage to the deed.

    Now, ask yourself…..were the majority demographic in the U.S. to be Islamic……would you still favor that you claim? Or would you start sounding a bit more like me?

  29. Mal says:

    Okay. Why then do they in court have you place your right hand on the Holy Bible and finish with “so help me God”?

  30. Mal says:

    To answer your last question, if the majority of the U.S. had been Islamic, I don’t know how I would be, but they would never have done what our founding fathers did either. They would still be riding around on camels!

  31. Mal says:

    AND…………I wouldn’t be here ’cause my father left an Islamic country (Turkey) as a Christian to escape Islam.

  32. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider, thanks so much for that info….. things like this are a relief and rather telling:
    “No woman shall kiss her child on the Sabbath or fasting day.
    “No one shall ride on the Sabbath Day, or walk in his garden or elsewhere except reverently to and from meeting.”

    There are SO no ‘rules’ like that in Scripture….again, Christianity gets a bad rap for oddballs making up odd ‘rules! Thanks.

    CI…of course there are fewer going to church today! Less and less people have had proper teachings, fewer and fewer young people understand that Christianity is not homophobic, xenophobic, hateful to everyone not CHristian… that’s pretty obvious! More went then because it truly was a society based largely on church life…the spiritual life, the social life, the glue that kept a community together!

    Do you believe anyone here at my blog believes in Christian prayer forced on secular situations in American life? Sounds like it…and I don’t believe that’s the case.
    I, for one, WISH more people were strong believers and properly educated in the Word, but we have to understand all kinds of forces work against that. And still Christianity lingers and is even growing in VERY VERY secular Santa Monica….so many young people. And SO many Africans, S Koreans,….as Europe wanes, and suffers for it, new countries are becoming more and more faithful.
    But I don’t think you’re arguing Christianity, I hope, not here, anyway. Why?
    I think you’re arguing any faith stays out of American civil life. I tend to agree, as I’ve said many times before. Frankly, I cringed when Melania Trump read The Lord’s Prayer at a large gathering, though I LOVE the whole idea, and was thrilled that the crowd was so pleased, I don’t know if that’s appropriate. Sadly.

  33. geeez2014 says:

    CI and Mal….Nobody’s pushing Christianity on ANYBODY in this country, but when I get a sniff, I get fearful. One can almost hear Muslims saying ‘If YOU can force that on America, WE can force OUR tenets on America..’ Obviously, they haven’t nearly the history of Christianity here, y, the founding of laws based on Moses, etc., our laws don’t advise beating wives or destroying the sex lives of little girls, or killing your sister dating a Jew, but….but they will push. You can rely on that….Is there an underlying knowledge by radical islam that they can push Christianity OUT of America by threatening they get their way every time they want reciprocity? I often wonder….

    “You can’t wear that cross here!” is something I’m hearing, first hand, in many high schools across this country…that’s just one example of how a cross isn’t welcome but a day of studying Islam, having kids eat halal and learn prays five times a day is problematic.

  34. Why then do they in court have you place your right hand on the Holy Bible and finish with “so help me God”?

    They don’t. One can affirm….as opposed to swearing to God.

  35. Do you believe anyone here at my blog believes in Christian prayer forced on secular situations in American life? Sounds like it…and I don’t believe that’s the case.

    Z – i don’t think anyone here believes that….but the fact remains, that Citizens are forced to hear prayer in many cases…when they attempt to involve themselves in the Governmental process. If I’m trying to be a part of my community, with an interest in maintaining good order and just law in my locality…why should I be forced to participate in a religious invocation? It’s not as if the members of any council or committee cannot meet and pray beforehand…if they so desire….why would they hold the attending Citizen as an involuntary participant to such?

    This has nothing to do with Christianity…..but of the just and proper role of our government.

  36. As Z and Mal pointed out, we wouldn’t have a Constitutional government without a Christian heritage. The Black Robed Brigade (the clerics) started the revolution. The Battle of Lexington was launched by a pastor leading his congregation.
    I like you CI, but it really is uninformed nonsense to think that this country was founded by secularists.
    There is a difference between Christianity and a particular religion or set of rules and our founders knew it. That’s why they wanted protection from religion, not Christianity.

  37. Bocopro. Different Linda.
    Our church just left our house having prayed for a number of issues, including Trump, Pence, our government in general and IMP! Looking for a good report!

  38. Ed – I didn’t say that the Founders were secularists…..but rather that they drafted a secular document: the Constitution. They were sharp enough not to allow their religious preference bund the Citizenry of a free Republic. The Christian judicial heritage has much older roots than the broth of Jesus. They knew and respected this.

  39. Kid says:

    IMP, Get better man, you don’t deserve this. Maybe it serves some purpose. I often wondered if pain on Earth is meant to absolve one of pain in the afterlife if there is one. If that’s true I’m one to get the hard part done first, always have been. Just an abstract.

    Pray for Trump? Valid construct. I’m not a solid believer in the abilities of the Secret Service or the other protective agencies, especially these days. What I most want to pray for is for the return of critical thinking so that we may see incredibly far fewer Americans worshipping at the alter of an evil democratic party and platform. We all know who the players are in government. If a majority of people can grow a brain, those players can easily be banished from our midst.

    How is it that a pelosi or a hank johnson, or a maxipad waters, or a [likely most of the] black caucus survive to rule over the rest of us ?

    Imagine the hypocrisy ! Jesus. People claiming Racism forming a Group in Congress ! with an agenda completely against White People !!!

    Defies description.

    Why I don’t take much of it seriously.

  40. geeez2014 says:

    CI, I think people can just ‘suffer through’ a short prayer. It’s usually done because the majority prefers it. Minority rule….stopping timeworn traditions because a couple are upset is scary and dangerous…and happening every day, it seems.
    “They knew and respected this”? Who doesn’t? But, really, our heritage, our laws, are based on THE BIBLE…before and after Jesus; mostly before, actually. Mosaic laws, etc. I think kindness and goodness and patience and generosity, charity, self sacrifice…I can’t even imagine where that good list would stop. That’s Jesus. I think we can do with a lot more of that, particularly now that we’re suffering through a faith whose radicals want such violence and whose calmer adherents aren’t doing a thing to fight the violence.

    Kid…no pain in the aferlife…actually, the Bible tells us those who suffer here have special rewards later.
    I’m not praying for Trump’s health, tho I believe he’s in mortal danger most of the time, as is his family…….just praying that things go well, that he starts thinking well, acting well……relying on his experts because I think he has some really good ones!

    Ed, could you explain this? “There is a difference between Christianity and a particular religion or set of rules and our founders knew it. That’s why they wanted protection from religion, not Christianity.”
    I LOVE that your church group kept IMP in their prayers…THANK YOU FOR THAT!

    IMP, WE”RE ON YOUR SIDE, BUDDY!! XXXXX

  41. geeez2014 says:

    Here’s an interesting fact I just ran across; The MALE Centrist candidate for France’s presidency’s wife is 24 years OLDER than he is and they met when he was 15 and she was his teacher, married with 3 kids. 🙂 QUITE the story!! She’s very pretty…but he’s only 39….and she’s….63! LOVE it!

  42. Kid says:

    I’ve had many older lovers in my studly days. I enjoyed their maturity. Not sure what they saw in me.

  43. Imp says:

    My sincerest thanks to all of you.
    Silverlady was right.
    I feel truly blessed today and all the days of prayer and good tidings you each express every day.

    Imp

  44. Kid says:

    IMP, I’m looking forward to you being my flight instructor some day.

  45. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, is your WIFE 24 years OLDER? 🙂 I dated plenty of quite older men when I was young and only once dated a Swiss man who was quite a bit younger, come to think of it. But not TWENTY-FOUR years! And I didn’t MARRY him!

    IMP: To hear you say you feel blessed means EVERYTHING to me.
    Kid.;…what a happy day that will be!! As long as I wasn’t there. Unless Imp was flying, of course 🙂

  46. Kid says:

    Z, No. My wife is 1 year older. I was talking about my studly days… Which sadly are too far in the rear view.

  47. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, i know what YOU were talking about but my point was this young French man IS married to her….and they knew each other when he was 15! The ‘secret’ they don’t say about their relationship is when it got ‘heavy’ (so to speak)….creepy. THey say they’ll never tell that little detail!!! Then she divorced her husband and who knows what happened to their 3 children….
    the whole thing’s amazing……….she IS pretty, at 63…..In 20 years, he’ll be almost 60 and she’ll be 84! Maybe not quite so wonderful?!!

  48. Kid says:

    Z, Completely understand. Merrowff

    btw – Have you seen Christly Brinkley in a Bikini Lately? She is in her 60’s. Looks l;ike 30’s.

  49. Z: What I meant is that the Founders knew that there were competing denominations, but one Christ.
    Freedom of religion means that you get to choose, or choose not to choose, but not have a federal denomination.
    The principles of Christianity informed their decision-making regarding the inalienable rights granted by God (not the State).
    Without the God of the Bible, those rights are not guaranteed.

  50. I think people can just ‘suffer through’ a short prayer. It’s usually done because the majority prefers it.

    Well of course! That’s an easy answer when you both support something – and – you’re in the majority. Don’t get me wrong, Greece v. Galloway solidified the lawful concept of legislative prayer…..but how would you feel, were you in the minority? If you were forced to “suffer through” an activity that you opposed, or did not believe was the just and proper use of an official venue? This is part of what’s so mind-boggling to me…..majority rules….freedom of religion…..and yet perceived victimization anytime [certain] religions don’t get State/institutional recognition. We see support for religious influence in government, but opposition to government influence in religion. Must be a comfortable position.

  51. Ed – Your presumption is a common one, and heartfelt no doubt, but one that is squarely opposed by such primary sources as Madison’s A Memorial and Remonstrance and document 64 of his Detached Memoranda, where he wrote: “If Religion consist in voluntary acts of individuals, singly, or voluntarily associated, and it be proper that public functionaries, as well as their Constituents shd discharge their religious duties, let them like their Constituents, do so at their own expence.” This with regard to State funded Chaplains, but appropriate also to the concept of voluntary association [or lack thereof] and governmental functions. Adding to that, from the same treatise, “The members of a Govt as such can in no sense, be regarded as possessing an advisory trust from their Constituents in their religious capacities. They cannot form an ecclesiastical Assembly, Convocation, Council, or Synod, and as such issue decrees or injunctions addressed to the faith or the Consciences of the people. In their individual capacities, as distinct from their official station, they might unite in recommendations of any sort whatever, in the same manner as any other individuals might do.”

    And Richard Henry Lee’s motion to Congress: “True freedom, embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.”

    Or the entirety of Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom.

    Backed up by the series of statements to the Virginia General Assembly, from the Hanover Presbytery, which includes: In this enlightened age, and in a land where all of every denomination are united in the most strenuous efforts to be free, we hope and expect that our representatives will cheerfully concur in removing every species of religious as well as civil bondage. Certain it is that every argument for civil liberty gains additional strength when applied to liberty in the concerns of religion, and there is no argument in favor of establishing the Christian religion but what may be pleaded with equal propriety for establishing the tenets of Mohammed by those who believe the Al Koran.

    And I could go on…..but you get my point.

  52. geeez2014 says:

    CI…we could play “battle of the quotes” all day..and, actually, I’ve seen it done…nobody wins.
    .
    And I’m sorry you think so little of me and others here as to think we don’t think things through like “DUH, would I want to be the one having to suffer through a prayer?”

    “And Richard Henry Lee’s motion to Congress: “True freedom, embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.””
    Are you quoting that because you think some of us do NOT believe that? astonishing.

    Ed, thanks for your clarification…good one.

  53. The quote you cite was in reference to an assertion of Ed’s, in which the Founders allegedly sought to only frame the religious freedom debate only with regards to Christian sects. Why did you even ask the question…if you’d made up your mind by writing “astonishing”. Don’t tell me what I think of anyone here. I’m sorry that you seem to find intellectual exercises offensive.

  54. John M. Berger says:

    I find condescension to be offensive!

  55. So don’t be condescending.

  56. geeez2014 says:

    I only find intellectual exercises offensive when it’s in circles and goes nowhere.
    ;If you’d rather not be thought of as belittling, then don’t do it.

    The Founding Fathers were strong Christians, most of them, some were Deists…..they all were only used to living in a Christian world…everything needs context.

    I can’t speak for everyone here, but I have never EVER called for an America whose official religion was Christianity. ever.

  57. It’s not concerning what someone on the internet thinks of me…I don’t get emotionally invested in blog comments. An official religion was never the point….nor asserted by me at any time….but rather the proper intersection of religion and secular government.

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