And I believe the term should be ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT RIGHTS.

What RIGHTS do people who broke the law have?    I’d like your input on this.  I believe most of you know I’m first generation on Mom’s side and second generation on Dad’s…so I’m decidedly not against LEGAL immigration, so I shouldn’t have to say that, but in this PC world, I have to give that caveat so nobody thinks I’m a xenophobe.   I also know and am fond of some Latino illegal immigrants…..but I heard the term IMMIGRANT RIGHTS today and thought, for the 100th time, WHAT??

Seriously…what RIGHTS do illegal immigrants have in any country they break into?

Let’s talk.

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44 Responses to IMMIGRANT RIGHTS……

  1. bocopro says:

    They have HUMAN rights, but zero CIVIL rights, and certainly no expectation of government largesse.

    Entering someone else’s country without permission confers civil rights as much as breaking into someone else’s house establishes kinship.


  2. Well, Bocopro settled that,
    Next question?


  3. John M. Berger says:

    “what RIGHTS do illegal immigrants have in any country they break into?”
    They have the RIGHT to humane incarceration while they await deportation!


  4. Imp says:

    Ya know… this constant bullshit fawing over these illegal MIGRANT mutts consistently stirs up my well controlled violent and anger side. It sickens me that there’s even a question over this. As MIGRANTS they were all uninvited. IMMIGRANTS are those who we invite to legally take residence in our OUR country and as such are still guest that we expect to be on their best behavior, right?
    As Mr. Bocopro said…. yes, human rights… of course we’re a first world civilized people.
    But IMO, none of the Bill of Rights as non citizens. Not welfare, WIC, SNAP, EBTS, tax credits, housing, education or ESL studies and NO instste college credits! When out of state legal natural born citizens cannot .
    How cheap should citizenship come? Every right afforded citizens ? Why then even bother taking that 5 year work and quest toward citizenship if you’re “entitled” to all the benefits as soon as your illegal ass makes it to a border or sanctuary city.
    And I’m disgusted that we stand by and put up with this sneering ungrateful arrogance while you’re waving your shitty flag from the FAILED COUNTRY YOU LEFT?
    In my world if you made such demands and were illegal and waved that country of origin rag…. you’d be in the first bus back. And I’m sick if hearing this crap of “breaking up families” and jobs that we won’t do and every other lie that Pedro from Univision throws at us.
    I’m sick of accommodating people who do not desire to assimilate…. who are here sometimes fir the money and the gimme gimme bennies that you and I can’t get as citizen taxpayers…. but these POS are pritorized over Vets?
    Just how damn stupid are we when 100 billion a year is squandered on those in our disgraceful salad bowl… of individual ingredients that will never mix. When disparities like this exist in a country you can count on its culture to die.


  5. bunkerville says:

    Zip. I’ll keep it short and sweet.


  6. geeez2014 says:

    Yes, HUMANE RIGHTS…. I’d not say HUMAN RIGHTS because, these days, that seems to mean EVERY RIGHT, and I don’t believe that.
    They must not be hurt, they must get food and beverage and a bed until they are sent back.

    THE WALL (whatever that might mean these days) apparently destroys IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS….according to many of the protesters these days.

    When I hear about illegals marching in huge protests for their RIGHTS, I’d have thought EVERY American would ask “What rights do you have for having broken our laws?”


    Imp; imagine them waving THEIR FLAGS and making DEMANDS in a country not their OWN?

    ED wants “next question?”:

    YOu guys give us a NEXT QUESTION on this topic: Let’s keep talking about this!


  7. John M. Berger says:

    Why do we want any further in-migration of non-essential immigrants* , at least, until our own domestic, low “Labor Force Participation Rate” problem has been fixed?

    *Those lacking education and/or skills in short supply domestically


  8. TOM says:

    You might think that because your ancestors were slaves, that you are owed something. You’re not, because you were never owned by anyone…they were…and hundreds of thousands of people who looked more like their owners than your ancestors paid the price in blood for what your ancestors were owed.

    And besides…it wasn’t the ancestors of white people who put your black ancestors in chains to begin with…your black ancestors did that. If you would like to file a grievance with them…please…by all means feel free to do so, and good luck with that


  9. Kid says:

    With Trump, we now see how poorly both Bush’s ran the country. Nothing happening with the ilegal flood into the country. Nolo Contendre on slick and barry.


  10. Mal says:

    The reply to immigrants rights is comparable to what I told my youngest daughter when she was 15 and asked about HER rights. I told her she didn’t have any and had to earn her rights because she is taking from society, not producing, and only has the right to a home, food, a clean bed, and an education. She had to earn it. The same applies to aliens. Come in the way our forefathers all did and earn it.


  11. Baysider says:

    So well covered. Nothing to add to bp, JMB, Imp. NO legal civil rights whatsoever. Very angry over “getting tough ” with amnesty in the 80’s then letting it slide. Lulled people on with false sense of security and now we’re talking about breaking up families . Washington and business insiders set us up for this.


  12. Mal says:

    Here’s an idea! With so many Mexicans wanting to come here, lets just add Mexico to the U.S. and build the wall on THEIR Southern border. It would be much shorter and easier to patrol!


  13. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, I loved this line in your link “Aspects of the Constitution that address certain basic human rights apply to everyone, even people without proper documentation.”

    “Without Proper documentation”? That means you came in legally but something got messed up at the immigration office, either in your home country or here….without proper docs means you haven’t the paper you need when you came in legally.

    Illegal immigrants who broke into our country aren’t WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION, that’s a euphemism for ILLEGALS WHO SNUCK ACROSS THE BORDER NOT CARING ABOUT OUR LAWS, right, Kid?
    Typical Leftwing legal BS.


  14. Kid says:

    Z, I was thinking ‘proper documentation’ would be documentation showing legal resident status – Birth Cert, green card, valid visa etc.


  15. Important says:

    Z….. right. That protesting and that sneering FU gringos mocking us or just daring us to arrest them. Some go on TV and boldly announce…. “Yes, I’m an illegal and I somehow got a law degree ( but no effort to gain legal citizenship) and I demand the right to vote and be admitted to the bar. And the demrats slobber all over themselves, beating their chests and wailing , sobbing ( Schumer ) over the injustice, the unfairness, the un American ness cause….”We’re all immigrants and gods children and they come here as an act of love”?!?!?
    While ICE should be standing by with their handcuffs and orange jumpsuits and a bag from Taco Bell for their free trip back to Chululu or Tijuana.
    And displaying those new spiffy steel telescoping batons that pop out from a mere 6 inches to 28 of incredible stopping power.
    God….. there’s so many days when I hate this country, I laugh at it, I cry over it, I’m frightened by its reckless and lawless direction. It’s really time to get medieval on these invading , marauding plague of parasitical metizos illegals. Come on be honest… do we really want them to keep bringing there here so we become there and where they abandoned?
    I’m so revved up on this topic that if you handed me bricks I’d start building that wall. They’ve got to go.


  16. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, that’s my point…they use the term “Without proper documentation” as if they came legally and just happened not to have what they need, right?
    it’S RUBBISH….they aren’t WITHOUT PROPER DOCS, let’s all call them what they ARE…ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
    Yes, proper docs are what you mention….maybe I wasn’t clear…..
    To CALL them “People without proper documentation” is SUCH a euphemism and hides the truth…they’re here ILLEGALLY.


  17. Mal says:

    True. They objected to the term aliens so we changed it to immigrants. Whatever. They’re still illegal, but they try to skip over that word. Their attitude is “so they’re illegal. So what? They’re still people”, like that’s the only thing that counts.


  18. Important says:

    BTW….. kill the 14th amendment before we have an illegal run for POTUS?
    DACA rubbish too.


  19. Bob says:

    This whole immigration kerfuffle can be ironed out pretty quickly. Just don’t let anybody come into the country. If they do just slam them into jail and wait for the immigrant’s home country to pay a ransom for their return. It works for Iran and North Korea, and you don’t see people lining up to go into those countries.

    My humane solution for the Hispanic people here illegally is to let the children born here stay here if their parents can find someone to take them, like an aunt, uncle, or cousin. We will not be accused of splitting up families because we won’t force the parents to take their kids with them. Problem solved.

    The wall is non-negotiable. In itself it is a stimulus project. Think of all the illegal aliens that will be put to work pouring concrete, digging holes, or any of the dozens of jobs that will need to be done. Plus, the drug dealers will have a ready made market without crossing the border by selling their goods to the wall workers. Pot breaks will be in all the labor contracts.

    I don’t think we are planning this thing the right way. If we are going to go the trouble of building a wall for the ages, we need to leverage that into creating money making tourist destinations. How about integrating some seriously high roller-coaster rides into the wall construction. In some of those border places there is some great scenery.

    While we are at it lets build a parkway across the USA along the southern border. Call it Freedom Parkway, and use it as a road between theme parks across the southern border. Maybe we ought to get Disney in on this thing.

    It could be really big.


  20. Kid says:

    I saw a plan that had nuclear waste being buried on the mexican side. That should dissuade them from tunneling.


  21. Important says:

    Mal….. problem is these kids are put into families of illegals.
    And I will never agree to or support illegals dropping a kid in an ER THAT WE PAY FOR….. being auto citizens. It’s a scam and need to be repealed or fixed


  22. geeez2014 says:

    Bob, I don’t think I’ve heard you QUITE so sarcastic OR fed up before!
    “Think of all the illegal aliens that will be put to work pouring concrete, digging holes, or any of the dozens of jobs that will need to be done.” aaarrrgggghhh!!! 😉

    Imp….illegals use our hospitals as doctor’s offices…going to ER when they’re sick and we pay. That would NOT HAPPEN for you or me, of course.
    I have friends who’ve gone into debt paying for their kids’ colleges, we don[‘t get a break.

    ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO STOP and I don’t believe it’s BEING UNKIND….it’s being KIND TO AMERICA, this country that loves taking in legals who want to learn our language and be AMERICANS.

    I got an email the other day that suggested there are Congressmen starting to work on ENGLISH AS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE again…..
    I believe a LOT OF AMERICANS would pass that now….and anybody who isn’t …well, they’re the TOTAL MORONS who think sanctuary cities are healthy for a thriving country! it’s ASTONISHING!

    Kid….I love the nuclear waste idea!!!\

    Mal, and they ARE “still people”…but WE are people, too, and WE have worked hard to make America this land people want to come to……..others must WAIT,come in willing to BE AMERICANS, not to create hispanic or asian or arabic GHETTOS.


  23. geeez2014 says:

    WHEN is Trump going to STOPPPP!? LET IT GO! You WON! They GET IT, they have NOT FORGOTTEN, Donald!
    Brother, did THIS give fodder for the leftwing call for mental health intervention….GAD.


  24. Mal says:

    Important. Did I say or imply that? I hope not ’cause I whole-heartedly agree with you. We shouldn’t even have illegals here, let alone getting free anything, be it food, housing, or medical care.


  25. geeez2014 says:

    Mal! I just read my comment responding to you and it sounded like I was telling YOU all that…I’m so sorry! I was just basically reiterating YOUR feelings…we’re on the same page! So sorry!! Yes, “Still people” counts but not to the detriment of OUR PEOPLE, right?
    I mean, we all agree that all people deserve a CHANCE!
    I’m so sorry I sounded like I was giving you a scolding! I was NOT 🙂 Thanks for pointing that out!


  26. geeez2014 says:–politics.html
    Oh yippee !!..>GEE…a DEMOCRAT senator might be in trouble? WHAT A SHOCK! 🙂


  27. Kid says:

    At one time during obama’s unbelievably corrupt terms in office, IBM offered him at no charge hardware and software that would eliminate the 50% fraud in medicare, barry wasn’t interested. I saw a vid today where DJ Trump was seated next to the IBM CEO and was talking about replaceing all the government computers since maintaining the current ones was so expensive. I wonder if IBM talked to Trump about the fraud thing in the process.


  28. geeez2014 says:

    I sure hope so, Kid…we need help. I don’t get why Ryan’s getting such flack for saying they’d take a vote for healthcare once they had the votes…Why waste a vote if you know you don’t have the numbers yet?


  29. Kid says:

    Z, fwiw I have yet to see a single positive comment about Ryan other than by you – anywhere. Jus sayin.


  30. Kid says:

    Word is Ryan belongs to the lobbyists.

    Having said that, the only ones I would trust with a bone are Ted Cruz and Trey Gowdy. We got a long way to go.


  31. geeez2014 says:

    I don’t care….I just don’t think he’s a sell-out and I think he has forces like Democrats calling in favors and Republicans hoping for unreasonable miracles that it’s the toughest job going.


  32. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, imagine Trump handing out maps to journalists in the middle an interview about China? Did you see my comment above? THAT is BAD.


  33. Kid says:

    Z, I’m very happy with the way things are going. 🙂


  34. geeez2014 says:

    I’m happy for you, Kid.
    I wish I could be.


  35. geeez2014 says:

    That passing electoral maps in the middle of questions about China is perfectly INSANE. But….we can hope.


  36. Kid says:

    Just think about seeing President H (Ican’t even type it) in the news for the next 4 years. But we are doing some very good things. It is not all ‘Look at the alternative’. We are doign some very good things. Some of it will take more than a couple months.


  37. John M. Berger says:

    I posed the question, as you asked. I wonder why there is no response?

    “Why do we want any further in-migration of non-essential immigrants?”


  38. Kid says:

    JMB I’m hyperactive at the moment, I hope all will excuse me. I can’t think of a single reason why we would want immigrants who we know up front will be a drain on taxpayers because they have no skills to leverage, don’t speak the language, and have no interest in acquring same. I know of no country who would accept such people on a permanent basis.

    None. Unless you are a demcocrat looking for zombie voters. I noticed recently that Australia was only offering citizenship to those persons who were qualified high performance jet pilots.

    Speaking of which – Great Read and the embedded links and videos should also be explored.

    Taming the mighty F14 Tomcat.

    Immigration in America has gone the way of the dodo bird and and the last kevorkian patient.


  39. geeez2014 says:

    Kid! You really think immigration as it’s been lately is coming to an end? Seems like things are changing in the right direction, but… Well, I HOPE SO!
    And yes, it’s not good to only be happy because the other guy lost the race….

    JMB’s right…what possible good reason would there be for what’s been going ON?!

    Trump’s popularity number is at 43….the worst ever at 100 days….for any pres. Mostly that’s the MEDIA, let’s face it. But I think it’s a lot of Conservatives ticked off at the Iran nuke deal still in effect, bombing Syria, no healthcare bill, etc. I think those Cons are UNrealistic because who can do ANYTHING as huge as those in 100 DAYS?

    What can Trump do to raise that number?


  40. Kid says:

    Z, the immigration thing is no short term fix. Going to take a while, but significant improvements have been made. PRO: Far fewer are coming across the border feeling it’s going to be a waste of time. CON: ICE Agents say each of hem currently have been assigned 10,000 + cases. They probabably couldn’t clear their task list in their lifetime. We need many more agents. Barry really screwed things up so bad it’s even hard to verbalize.

    BUT – We have fewer people coming across and we are sending many more back that barry did. and they are concentrating on criminals. Net positive. (If we are being righteously informed)


  41. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, people keep saying Obama sent more immigrants back….many people say that. I don’t know why.

    ALSO: I just read that Obama’s now saying “Obamacare is more popular than Trump is”….Isn’t Obama a swine? (I’d say PIG but pig doesn’t sound very nice, does it)….The problem is, he’s right when it comes to polls.

    I don’t think America will have ever seen the attempted destruction of one president by another like it’s going to see from Obama.


  42. Mal says:

    Hey Z! No problem! I still love ‘ya!



  43. Kid says:

    Z, If they turned someone away at the border they counted it as a deportation. You know obamawas letting illegal felons back onto the streets. ? The polls are fake news.


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