Do Americans need to learn to love America again in order to stand up for her and succeed again? GERMANY is talking about this…..FINALLY. I think that’s a VERY good thing.
Germany had been an amazingly innovative, clever, powerful country …until the bad times came in the early 20th century….followed by the worst time ever; the NAZI years. It was the land of Goethe, Martin Luther, Beethoven, etc….a country to be proud of…..and then the war. And then it was Germany again, vanquished for having murdered so many so brutally, seemingly never to regain its great pride. Pride, after all, is what many think caused Hitler. Pride, in a time when difficulties were overcoming the people with inflation, political upheaval, etc.
I once had a dear German friend, on the 4th of July in Munich, say “You Americans take pride in your country. We don’t.” She was in her early seventies and had learned not to love Germany because of the holocaust. They were taught to play down love of country. I have seen personally the hatred left wingers in Germany feel for their country.
I ask you about this because I believe our children are being taught to hate America. I see Obama in other countries warning of nationalism because he sees the patriotism and pride pushed for by Trump. I see people mock timeworn American traditions, treat the Constitution as something needing alteration, not standing for the National Anthem, etc. How many college students do you think really love America?
Do Americans need to learn to love America again to keep from destroying her from within? We’re changing our history, political correctness is allowing us to do things which put us last.
Obama was recently in Indonesia, telling an audience there that Americans are too nationalistic. Has the Left convinced Americans that being patriotic is like the rise of Hitler, a nationalism that should scare us?
Let’s talk. What do you think?
Z
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Obama is a product of his own up-bringing. He was taught not to love America, but also to take as much advantage of America’s table as possible. He’s done a great job with that. I cannot imagine that either of his daughters will be much different. I ask you, what kind of man dines at someone else’s table, and when he is fully sated, tells everyone what a horrible cook his host/hostess was?
Proverbs tells us, “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall,” but there is always an unhappy result when we strip a human being of their pride. I believe that there is a healthy dose of pride, but that it can also become haughty, conceited, and arrogant. As for 20th Century Germany, I do not think the average citizen became haughty —but those who gained power certainly did— and, as with Obama, used it for personal gain.
In schools across our country today, we recognize students for doing little more than showing up for class while breathing. The educationalists tell us that we need to take care of our student’s self-esteem. Well, I personally think that our students have plenty of self-esteem; what they lack is real achievement. There can be no pride without accomplishment.
In America today, the largest sector of our economy is the “service” sector. This is where Americans sell shoes made in China to other Americans who sell burgers and fries. How does anyone in the younger generations take pride in a country that produces nothing? What do young working people accomplish in their jobs that will give them a sense of accomplishment, beyond earning a commission from the sales of junk bonds? Or they can become teachers. There is an axiom that goes like this: those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; those who can’t teach, teach teachers.
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O.K. Now, see . . . I like Italian food. Spanish Flamenco. British humor. German engineering. French painting. Even Russian dressing. I like travelogues about the Middle East as it used to be. Exotic islands in the South Seas. The mysterious Orient. Inja. Plus, I’ve actually set foot in 17 different countries and experienced their art, their culture, their food, their languages, their aromas.
And I loved it. But . . . it was always good to get back home. Home, where I felt safe, where I felt welcome, where I felt I belonged. Where I dedicated time and thought and energy into creating and improving something that was Mine. And what’s nice about MY home is that I can enjoy all those furrin things at my convenience, in my safety, with my family, and argue about ‘em if I like.
So, IMO it’s natcherl to feel more comfortable in a setting with which you’re familiar. Doesn’t mean that I automatically consider other cultures or societies somehow inferior or depraved or deprived or unworthy. I’m sure some of ‘em are, so I just won’t go to those, such as NorKor or Chad or Somalia.
The problem with nationalism is very much like the problem with medicine. Take f’rinstance iodine: you don’t have enough of it, you can die; you get too much of it, you can die. And, there’s a big difference ‘tween nationalism and patriotism.
To me, loyalty to country is fine, ‘cause you gotta believe in somethin or you’re just adrift in a leaky boat in a stormy sea without a paddle or a rudder. Nationalism is the arrogant and vainglorious belief that your country is better than all others simply because you were born in it.
Being a fan can be a good thing, providing purpose, entertainment, comraderie . . . something to look forward to – but being a fanatic can get your butt kicked.
And Soetoro is a franctious gringewort who could use a lotta that.
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On NPR yesterday they had a segment on how German’s can finally make jokes about WWII. As an example: “Why do Europeans speak so many languages?” – Answer: Because Germany lost the war!
Here’s an excerpt: He’s talking about what it was like to be a German elementary school student in the 1970s….
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
MITTERMEIER: Every day we heard, you’re guilty, you’re guilty, you’re guilty, you’re guilty. I had a school subject called guilt.
(LAUGHTER)
MITTERMEIER: Three times a week, we had guilt. On Fridays, we had shame.
(LAUGHTER)
MITTERMEIER: By the time I was 14, I thought I invaded Poland.
(LAUGHTER)
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In other words,..it may take some time (70 years in Germany’s case), but eventually national pride will return. Germany’s “shamers” are running out of time. America’s will be next.
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Do Americans need to learn to love America again to keep from destroying her from within?
Absolutely!
Mark Levin’s latest book provides much insight as to why — based on our Founders’ political philosophy. Not an easy read, but every student of American history must read this book. Quite something!
PS: Dump all the Zinn-ism in our schools. Zinn-ism = hate “evil” America. Zinn-ism permeates our education system, and all of us have, to some extent, fallen prey to some of its tenets. Boiling the frog!
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Bocopro,
it was always good to get back home. Home, where I felt safe, where I felt welcome, where I felt I belonged
Those days seem to have vanished! 30-somethings and younger don’t even begin to understand what has been lost.
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Bocopro,
there’s a big difference ‘tween nationalism and patriotism
Not according to the history books published since 2005. **sigh**
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Can’t add to what Mustang and bocopro said.
Pride and happiness only come from hard work and accomplishment.
Don’t be patriotic becuse you were born here, be patriotic becuase of the things that make America what it is. But people have to learn what these things are and that doesn’t seem to be happening these days in school.
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Few schools teach civics these days; it is mostly taught as part of extra-curricular law related educational programs. What you see around you is the result of this.
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Mustang, thanks for that comment…well said …I had heard this phrase but never the third option!
I think it’s right, sadly “those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; those who can’t teach, teach teachers.:”
Bocopro…I don’t see nationalism as defined such a bad thing or such a big difference from patriotism:: “patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.” The negativity has come from critics who used that term to imply OVERzealous, dangerous patriotism….like the N in NAZI.
As someone who’s lived in Germany and France, I can see beauty and great things in both countries, having learned the ‘insides’ of those countries and the great stuff many don’t get to see when they visit that I did in my day-to-day existences there ….
You can’t much beat the French feeling of nationalism…But I always felt so good coming home…particularly after 9 months away, for example. I hope our kids still feel that.
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FJ…could be Germany will regain its pride (HILARIOUS ‘script’ there, thanks!) But, WHEN they show the slightest patriotism, their own left, and even other countries, start with the “uhoh…the FOURTH REICH!” If they stand up for Germany and say they can’t afford all those refugees, for example, they’re called Skinheads…..their Left, meanwhile, kicks deserving Germans out of low income housing and puts refugees into them, and builds mini madrases for the Islamist kids…and more. SO, maybe patriotism will rise again and Germans will remember what was great about Germany, but…it’ll be tough.
AOW~ yes, Zinn did such terrible harm…and YES INDEED…younger people really don’t know what they’re missing…stupid little nothings.
What are you saying about textbooks after 2005?
Kid, you said “Don’t be patriotic because you were born here, be patriotic because of the things that make America what it is.”
I think that’s good to remember……well said. Although I would like to hear some young people just plain saying “I’m so glad I was BORN IN AMERICA, the best of the best!” 🙂
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OFF TOPIC: TILLERSON IS TAKING SOME TIME OFF .”AMID TENSIONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE” …poor guy, he must be reeling.
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an observation of mine when I Googled the Tillerson story is that it comes up with only left leaning media venues…until I put in “DRUDGE” and found he’d carried it.
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Don’t be patriotic becuse you were born here, be patriotic becuase of the things that make America what it is.
Superb! Very well said. The only thing I could add, would be: Be patriotic because of the things you do that makes America what it is. IOW, be a contributor, not a taker.
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Thx, I believe those properly educated Would be contributors.
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CI…we should be contributors, absolutely, and I’m patriotic, too, because I so cherish the work of the founding fathers, and our military, and our Constitution… and so my patriotism is like a salute to those things…make sense?
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Be contributors, not takers. In essence, that’s what JFK said, right?
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Even though we can say that JFK was a far cry from being a great president, he was perhaps the last conservative-leaning democrat to occupy the White House. “Ask not what your country can do for you …” was a great sound-bite but I’m not sure that many policies emanating from the beltway reflected such sentiments. Had JFK followed the policy of Eisenhower, there would have been no major military involvement in Vietnam. For some reason, Democrats have a penchant for foreign entanglements … few of which have ever worked out to the advantage of the United States of America, or our people.
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Yeah, Mustang. I’m not implying I voted for him ’cause I didn’t. And you are certainly correct about him being the last conservative-leaning Dem. too. He probably wouldn’t be welcome by the Dems today!
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Even I’d do anything to have JFK back. 10 years ago, I’d have laughed my head off for having said anything like that!
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ME TOO, Z. ME TOO!
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Yes, Z, there’s a hardcore anti-Hitlerian Communist Left in Germany that no one’s going to change. They’ve become “fundamentalists” and their minds are CLOSED to any deviations from their official lines. A friend of mine (Nietzsche Girl) studies one particularly hard-core group, the Autonomen. You may have heard of them. Here’s a talk she did while working on her PhD for Churchill College, Cambridge. It offers some good insight on the German Left and not a waste of about an hour.
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Yes, I believe that if you read some quotes from JFK speeches and selective policy items to college students today they’d never identify him as democract.
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FJ, nobody does THE LEFT as well as whacko Germany-hating Germans. I’ve heard panel discussions where those raised in East Germany lament the wall’s coming down. ‘We could sit in pubs all night and talk deeply and well about changing the world…”
And I’m sitting there thinking how many times I have sat in Munich or Berlin or Hamburg pubs all night and talked the same from the conservative side with Mr. Z and German friends (some lefties). I guess they need LEFTY AMBIANCE to think their way? 🙂
Baysider, right…many say JFK would definitely be a Republican today..they’re right.
Mal, YOU, TOO! 🙂
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As alluded to by Kid and CI, America is the sum of her ideals, not even her accomplishments.
America is founded on a Constitution that was derived from a philosophical perspective informed by a knowledge of God’s expectation of us.
And the respect He affords us by the rights He gave us.
The respect we should then exhibit to each other.
When we are guided by that document and the intent behind it, we rise to greatness.
And we exhibit greatness.
The opposite is true.
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Oh, yes, Ed, I believe America is also accomplished beyond most countries and deserves our appreciation also for that….my ancestors, your ancestors,…this country stands on their shoulders and I salute that greatly.
I believe we have exhibited greatness…it’s only recently that people have rejoiced in quite the opposite…and that is the point of my post.
Without acknowledgment of this greatness, without pride in our achievements and those of others, does Americas survive?
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“Without acknowledgment of this greatness, without pride in our achievements and those of others, does Americas survive?”
I like quoting Bill Federer who said, “A nation that forgets it’s history is like a man who hast lost his memory.”
We call that dementia.
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Ed, we could call it DEMON-tia!
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WOW! Martha MacCallum was talking about transgenders in the military and actually compared it to Blacks in the military!
That was surprising..
Do any of you feel that “Well, Blacks were kept out of the military but it all worked out…so isn’t that the same with transgenders?”
I’m curious to hear what you think
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-parents-pulling-children-boy-081414507.html
How sad! Some parents are pulling their kids out of the Boy Scouts.. they feel other presidents haven’t politicized their speeches and Trump’s having done it was distasteful. I have to agree…that was a time to congratulate the scouts and emphasize their values….
heartbroken to hear this. I purposely haven’t heard the speech because I knew it would be something like this 😦
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As I commented the other night:
“But in West Virginia, Trump cut loose in front of an adoring crowd. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke came on stage in his Boy Scouts garb, where he was joined by Energy Secretary Rick Perry, another former Eagle Scout.
The president boasted that 10 members of his Cabinet are former scouts, including Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was once president of the national organization.”
Adoring crowd. Cheers.
Those complaining probably hated Trump and wanted an excuse to vent..
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Some parents are pulling their kids out of the Boy Scouts.. they feel other presidents haven’t politicized their speeches and Trump’s having done it was distasteful.
They haven’t….and it was. Instead of speaking of Boy Scout values….it was a crass campaign speech. But the apologists have lowered the bar.
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CI…I don’t get him. Everything is a campaign speech. He just MUST stop running and LEAD by example, with dignity and class.
Remember Obama was like this …criticized by the Right, including me, for constant campaign speeches……..but when it comes to something like the BOY SCOUTS JAMBOREE you’d think he’d stay on message to THEM, those boys and their Boy Scout experiences.
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Z – Exactly. How many Americans have even heard that Trump directed a deep dive review, titled “Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing and Defense Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency of the United States.”? Why doesn’t he tweet about that?
Instead, he tweets his petulant tantrums against his own AG, and harangues the BSA about crowd size, his win on November 8th, some were BYC party and a yacht, and his tired schtick bout “fake news”.
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Even Obama’s video message to the Jamboree in 2010, was about the Boy Scouts.
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“…some were BYC party…”
Should read “some weird NYC party”.
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America is in turmoil again today…as were facing our own Kristallnacht over the 1st amendment and the irony is lost on them. This is the way they want the issues settled. As I believe theres no such thing as the myth of moderate muslims…I didn’t see moderate youth marching in the streets opposing the new area of fascism. Will they find their Benito?
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Mustang…”For some reason, Democrats have a penchant for foreign entanglements … few of which have ever worked out to the advantage of the United States of America, or our people.”
Spot on Mustang…and has anyone ever noticed that all our wars in the past century and all our foreign entanglements were all started and left pretty much unfinished by democrats? Bush 43 was the only Repub that started a war… Iraq in 2003. Yet every Democrat except very,very few signed to it…including the Clintons and JF Kerry himself. Then in 2009 to 2012 Hillary herself? If the democrats wanted these wars..the least they could have done was to stay the hell out of them with their suicidal and suffocating ROE’s and announcing out loud to the enemy just what are moves were going to be.
Just exactly was their motives then? Too assure our losses would justify ending the conflict and running like a dog with our tail between our legs which is why ISIS and Al Queda laugh us and don’t feel threatrend by us?
All that bluster about a line in the sand BS maybe?
Oh how ole Adolph would have loved to fight us today, or then when he didn’t need spies…just demrat pols giving away our war planning strategies.
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Yeah. The Boy Scouts were upset.
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Z, Boy Scouts. I feel sorry fot he ones with libtard parents. There is Nothing wrong with Boy Scouts hearing about what Ails America. Not a damn thing.
Personally, I think they should have heard even more of it all.
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Ed, Yea, F’n A.
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Ed..yea….all the video I saw was of them laughing and clapping. Those parents who were “upset” probably won’t honor their boys opinion about wanting to stay put in the Scouts and not being upset over the Presidents remarks. These kids watch TV today, and are exposed to all this never Trump hate too. Their kids aren’t snowflakes, the parents are and they’re the ones who hate the POTUS.
And Ms. Z and CI…I agree with your statements that he might have toned down those remarks or not make them at all. But these boys are generally conservative anyway? I mean look at the Boy Scouts oath. Do you think any parent of a Twinkie snowflake after reading that would ever allow the kid to be in the scouts anyway?
I mean come on…this has to be racist and fascist right?
“On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. OMG!
The Boy Scouts of America will prepare every eligible youth in America to become a responsible, participating citizen and leader who is guided by the Scout Oath and Scout Law.”
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Boy Scouts are part of America’s Future, and damn well need to hear about America’s enemies.
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IMP, Exactly. America is at war and wars are not won with politicians reading sanitized scripts from telepromters. The vitriol of the left needs to be met with STRAIGHT TALK From the right. Otherwise the right surrenders to the facist dialogue monitors.
If you can’t tak the heat.
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Kid…do you believe some POS posted a picture of Hitler youth and said they actually saw comparisons? Tucker wanted to interview the bearded scumbag but he’s holed up and hiding in a Target ladies room they think.
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IMP, DO I believe? Of Course ! I expect it! They have no cognizant argument so all that is left is knee jerk accusations involving words and concepts most people associate with the negative, counting on their ignorance to blindly accept the accusation.
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Meanwhile the ‘republicans’ celebrate the passing of a bill that allows them to ‘talk about HC some more’. lol. Then after sending 4? 5? obamacare repeal bills to obama knowing that he wioll veto them, can’t find a way to send a repeal bill to President Trump. What a bunch of Dipsticks.
Well the more intelligent of uis (which includes all those who got off the counch to vote for Trump) knew this wouldn’t be over with one election. I expect our army to focus on and vote OUT Rino’s in favor of conservatives. And this is a Perfect time for those folks to be running agains RINO’s and democrats.
Let’s stuff it over the next few elections and beyond. Let’s help Drain the Swamp. The swampis probably 90% of the federal government.
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I want kids growing up being told about how Wsh, DC is a sewer. Not what the public schools are ramming down their throat which is the Politicians are in charge and how they must bow to them. wtf? We don’t work for government (shouldn’t be) they should be workign for us and every single American needs to feel that way.
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Kid..”they should be workign for us”
Of course but only true con’s believe thus Kid…of which there are few on our side in DC. I thinker’s going take one huge BOOM…..cause nothing ever changes with talk…or bull sheet. Me…I’m in for a Matiis led coup. With Trump in the saddle and Tillerson. And Jeff Sessions… which I think is pure theater with Trump and Jeff. I think they’e going to come out with a handshake hands and Sessions is gonna do the OK corral ON ILLEGALS AND VOTER ID especially.
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Ed, who cares? All Trump’s fans love Trump. BIG CROWD, BIG HAPPY EXCITEMENT TO SEE ANY PRESIDENT.
Kid, no, it’s not okay for kids to have to think politics…it’s okay that they learn to love this country, at least from their president, not bitching about what’s bugging HIM. I disagree with you. I do not want kids learning their government is a sewer,….they’re young, they need to have a foundation of optimism and hope. This is what’s causing drug abuse in our country now…kids not too much older than the majority of kids there are doing HEROIN these days…not smoking pot..HEROIN. Trying to escape. There is no strength, no faith in country, no trust.
Our kids need hope.
Ed and Kidl…of course they’re mostly conservative…….another reason he should be pumping them UP not reminding them their country sucks.
Imp…HITLER YOUTH? How disgusting…….the Left can’t get lower…
Some of Trumps’ comments: “In fact, today, I said we ought to change it from the word ‘swamp’ to the word ‘cesspool’ or perhaps to the word ‘sewer.’ ” THAT ISN”T FOR KIDS.
“By the way, what do you think the chances are that this incredible massive crowd, record-setting, is going to be shown on television tonight?” SIZE OF CROWD AGAIN?
“By the way, just a question, did President Obama ever come to a Jamboree?” Obama never attended in person, but he did record a video message in 2010. And while Trump wants to show his affinity with the Scouts, he wasn’t one. Obama, on the other hand, was’ OH GOD..Check mate.
See, it’d be so easy to do a speech aimed at the Boy Scouts, so easy and accepted to talk about America and how the Boy Scouts figure in our history and our future……I’d love to hear that.
He just keeps missing the mark.
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“Imp…HITLER YOUTH? How disgusting…….the Left can’t get lower…”
Yup…picture included and I couldn’t believe it myself.
“Documentary filmmaker Michael Moore and soap opera actress Nancy Lee Grahn, for example, both likened the Boy Scouts meeting as reminiscent of Hitler Youth rallies.”
Figures,right…couldn’t find the picture though…the ones I did are all copyrighted.
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Here’s the real and original culprit…a Brit too.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28106688
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Z..I don’t think these scouts live in a vacuum…many of them I’d wager… are ready to vote or already can….
“… [the Educated citizen] knows that knowledge is power, more so today than ever before. He knows that only an educated and informed people will be a free people, that the ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of us all.”
—John F. Kennedy, 1963
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Imp…love the Target bathroom reference! they are truly scum…
Kid and Ed….Reading my comments they sound a little harsh but I feel so strongly that kids need HOPE, and trust and optimism…….and politics isn’t appropriate…
Now, I wouldn’t have minded if Trump talked about conservatism, though it’s not supposed to be a partisan affair…you can do that by just talking about good values…(which happen to BE conservative)….that, I’d have loved.
You KNOW i need to start writing Mr. Trump’s speeches, RIGHT? HA!!! Oh, I WISH!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/secretary-state-tillerson-says-not-going-anywhere-200331671.html
hurrah!
And Imp…I like the sound of a MATTIS COUP!
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Personally, I think they should have heard even more of it all.
So, you’re OK with the politicization of the Boy Scouts? Where Conservatism used to use the righteousness of the message as their currency, they now apparently measure crowd adoration. That’s what the Left traffics in.
Every disrespectful and unethical actions the Right fails to hold Trump accountable for, removes the justification with which to hold the next Democrat POTUS accountable.
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Z, How can you ficx a problem if you don’t know there is one or what the details are.
IMP, Sessions? Plausible.
CI, Yep, obama never attended a BSA meeting. And I obviously don’t read the situation as ‘politicization of the Boy Scouts’.
If we get another democrat majority administration anytime soon, the country is finished so it will be time for plan R. Worrying about holding the dem POTUS accountable will be the last thing on my mind. You can’t hold anyone accountable when the ‘news’, the justice dept, and the judges are in your pocket. obama wasn’t held accountable for any of the thousands of things he should have been.
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And I obviously don’t read the situation as ‘politicization of the Boy Scouts’.
Really? Taking into consideration Trump’s speech, and your comments here? Not politicized??
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Kid, they’re KIDS! They’re fixing nothing………..not for at least 10 years.
There are ways of speaking to kids….to ME, this wasn’t it.
I’m delighted people screamed with delight..I am!
I never ever mean Trump should back down on things when I say I think his approach is wrong.
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CI…they”ve already been politicized….not that long ago by exposing them to all the gay scout master crap. I cannot think that was…or is good for the scouts. I believed that DADT was good enough for them.
But no…the BSA had to be humiliated, their integrity and all the good they’ve done for the last 100 years impugned, mocked, denigrated, threatened by boycotts, the slimy ACLU, legal actions, lawsuits every where they turned…then having their meeting places denied to them, cities that now refused to provide free space for thier monthly meetings and a place for them to gather. Next, sponsors pulled out ( chickened out because of the heat they’d get when attacked and being called very nasty un PC things ) because they be threatened with boycotts, be labeled as bigots and homophobes. This was something they needed not to have kids exposed to…and the freakin gays didn’t care one damn bit about that…or the dems who made this a disgusting politicized mine field for them. The well meaning adults who gave up their free time to sponsor and mentor them. This wasn’t what they signed on for. It was all a one act play where the finale was all spelled out for them.. they’d lose no matter what. They were targeted and splintered to the point where we almost witnessed the complete destruction of the BSA folding forever for PC and gays. They were and always will be forever, such an easy target to be hunted down, by SJW’s and PC warriors demanding “justice” from Innocent kids. Kids.
This great organization ( and I get the feeling you too were a scout.. I see that boy scout in you CI … as I was..Life scout only, I got mocked too many times in high school ) being dragged through all the mud and BS that the militant gays just love. It frosted my b@lls to no end. It was not right to do this to a great ( and they are and I’ll say it 1000 times if I have to ) organization and still is after seeing 40,000 strong weather that storm and now get into another PC box by Trumps speech this time and again running for cover….
Millions of people lost what ever sympathy that they might have had for gays. ( Watch…next month it’ll be the trannies since they’re denied a uniform in the services, I suppose wanting to wear a Boy Scout uniform will be appeasement enough? )
We just decided, like millions of other men & women, mothers and fathers, to ignore them and let them do what they do. But not to our kids. Yet we now had to quietly expose them to a new set of sexual PC rules that we hadn’t planned on. We wanted to wait until they were at least out of an innocent adolescence for gods sake. Now thousands of 10 years olds had to have it explained to them what gay was all about by their parents…just like the kids who had to know what “is is” and have explained what oral sex was in the Oval office by their president then?
So, we decided not to care who they wanted to bugger. That was their business. These kids have been politicized for 30 or more years now. And if parents were going to pull their kids out of the scouts… it was most likely for the gay issue than this recent one, which was just more hating Trump rally. They’re allowed to scream I hate Trump out loud…but god forbid they dare say the same of gays or even whisper it. Ever see that? You can always tell when people are talking about something sensitive…they put their hands up to their mouths and whisper it.
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Z, I would completely agree with you But the schools (sadly) are making kids politically astute – and in many cases indoctrinating them left. Who is going to give them the other side of the story?
Also we didn’t feel like kids when in the Boy Scouts, for us it was like pre-military training. 22 rifle, archery, obstacle courses, capsizing canoes and righting them or paddling them in submerged, swim in for halfway across the lake. They probably don’t ge that physical these days with all the helicopter hand wringing parenting..
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Kid – I understand where you’re coming from, but what you’re referring to was a decision made by…the BSA. It’s arguable whether or not sexual orientation is inherently politicized, or is used as a political hammer…..by both sides; but that’s not the issue here. The issue here, is the President of the United States, instead of honoring the Boy Scouts of America at their Jamboree……recycling his personal political tantrums [not to mention, oddly inappropriate stories of hot people, parties and yachts].
Your defense of Trump seems to [correct me if I’m off base] revolve around not what is appropriate, but what you believe has been inappropriate influences previously. Trump had a golden opportunity to be an example of what role model can look like, and expound upon the virtues and values of the BSA….instead, he regaled them with soundbites about crowd size, the electoral map, “fake news”, the healthcare bill, the previous POTUS, and saying Merry Christmas…because apparently we couldn’t before Trump.
I was a Boy Scout, for a short time….I was an Explorer Scout [Search & Rescue, for many years].
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CI, Well, IMP brought up the sexual factor. We can disagree. My impression of the event was that the Scouts ate it up. So be it. I don’t know what else to say about it, so I’m not going to work up a defense argument.
As far as kids – Here is a nine year old who wrote a fan letter to Trump. I think kids are very m uch more getting involved in politics. I’d rather see them out playing, learning the 3 R’s but it is a changing world.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/26/letter-donald-trump-dylan-9-year-old-read-white-ho/
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You’re certainly not required to defend the speech, I just figured that since you thought it was appropriate, and you wished there was more, that you would have had a more vigorous position to share.
The head of the BSA stated today: “We sincerely regret that politics were inserted into the Scouting program,”
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