Medal of Freedom….agree?



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36 Responses to Medal of Freedom….agree?

  1. Mustang says:


    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that everything Obama did while in the White House was designed to diminish American ideals. Pardon my expression, but he sh*t on the things Americans value most … and it was intentionally done. Why give a “medal of freedom” to Oprah, whose only contributions were to Obama’s campaign … because he was black? Presenting the medal of freedom to the people shown is an insult. It’s the same thing as handing out knighthoods in the UK to gangsta-rap aficionados, or the Army presenting a Bronze Star and Purple Heart medal to a cook after she shot herself in the foot, because she was black.

    In these three instances then (medals of freedom, knighthoods, combat awards), what is the true value of such recognition and why should anyone subsequently feel proud to receive one?


  2. The Medal of Freedom is the closest thing we have to a ‘noble order’, and given the recipients of this award and those who have been Knighted in places such as the U.K.; I’d have little desire to have this honorific bestowed to me by any President.

    Then again, our [Army] combat and service award system has been so utterly gutted over the past few decades, there’s little pride in being awarded anything below a Bronze Star w/V.


  3. bocopro says:

    When too many meaningless awards are tossed about like mardi gras trinkets from a Nawlins float , the whole idea is lost. Eventually it’s the same thing that happens when a word is overused – such as Racism, which has completely lost its meaning today – or EVERYbody gets a trophy, even if just for sitting on the bench and never getting in the game.

    Consider a nation which hasn’t been involved in a shooting war for more than half a century, then look at its generals:

    Awards get rusty, lost, discarded over time. What lasts is the sense of accomplishment in having done a good job and being recognized by your peers. Medals and trophies don’t pay the fiddler, and as Kenny Rogers once said, “I’ve received many awards I don’t even remember walking up to a mic to accept.” The true REward comes in the form of box office and CD sales.


  4. Once again, Mustang “stole” my comment.


  5. PS: Bocopro, too!


  6. DJT could start a firestorm by awarding this medal to certain people. I think that you already know some whom I have in mind. 😉


  7. Kid says:

    Well in addition to the above, I would award the guys who took out the gunman on the train to Paris.


  8. Kid says:

    bocopro, that guy on the right there – General Dong, received many mjore awards since thatr picture was taken and subsequently ended up with two affixed to his fly. He subsequently suffered a fatal incident when one of the DPRK comfort women tried removing nis pants too quickly.


  9. -FJ says:

    I think that the President should draw lots from the rolls of its 300 million+ citizens and hand them out on THAT basis, true “freedom”. 😉


  10. -FJ says:

    Sorry, I need to amend. It would be discriminatory to only include US citizens…


  11. I would award the guys who took out the gunman on the train to Paris..



  12. Mustang says:

    @Kid … those aren’t medals General Dong is wearing. They’re efficiency badges. Did you not recognize the “drop the soap in the shower” badge?


  13. Kid says:

    My mistake Mustang. 🙂


  14. As to the train guys, Clint Eastwood is making a movie about them.
    Starring “them”.


  15. I always figured that they were prefect attendance badges….but FWIW, I believe the medals on the trousers are photoshopped, as if it weren’t clownish enough to have a jacket completely festooned like chainmail……


  16. -FJ says:

    After the Revolutionary War, the victors decided to create a Society of the Cincinnati to honour their achievement in perpetuity.

    Some questioned whether or not this was good idea…

    from Wiki: When news of the foundation of the society spread, judge Aedanus Burke published several pamphlets under the pseudonym Cassius where he criticized the society as an attempt at reestablishing a hereditary nobility in the new republic.[16] The pamphlets, entitled An Address to the Freemen of South Carolina (January 1783) and Considerations on the Society or Order of Cincinnati (October 1783) sparked a general debate that included prominent names, including Thomas Jefferson[17] and John Adams.[18] The criticism voiced concern about the apparent creation of an hereditary elite; membership eligibility is inherited through primogeniture, and generally excluded enlisted men and militia officers, unless they were placed under “State Line” or “Continental Line” forces for a substantial time period, and their descendants. Benjamin Franklin was among the Society’s earliest critics. He was concerned about the creation of a quasi-noble order, and of the Society’s use of the eagle in its emblem, as evoking the traditions of heraldry and the English aristocracy. In a letter to his daughter Sarah Bache written on January 26, 1784, Franklin commented on the ramifications of the Cincinnati:

    I only wonder that, when the united Wisdom of our Nation had, in the Articles of Confederation, manifested their Dislike of establishing Ranks of Nobility, by Authority either of the Congress or of any particular State, a Number of private persons should think proper to distinguish themselves and their Posterity, from their fellow Citizens, and form an Order of hereditary Knights, in direct Opposition to the solemnly declared Sense of their Country.[19]

    The influence of the Cincinnati members, former officers, was another concern. When delegates to the Constitutional Convention were debating the method of choosing a president, James Madison (the secretary of the Convention) reported the following speech of Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts:

    A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union & acting in Concert to delude them into any appointment. He observed that such a Society of men existed in the Order of the Cincinnati. They are respectable, United, and influential. They will in fact elect the chief Magistrate in every instance, if the election be referred to the people. [Gerry’s] respect for the characters composing this Society could not blind him to the danger & impropriety of throwing such a power into their hands.[20]

    The debate spread to France on account of the eligibility of French veterans from the Revolutionary War. In 1785 Honoré Gabriel Riqueti, comte de Mirabeau was approached by Franklin, who was at the time stationed in Paris and suggested to him to write something about the society directed at the French public.[21] Mirabeau was provided with Burke’s pamphlets and Franklin’s letter to his daughter, and from this, with the help of Nicolas Chamfort, created his own enlarged version entitled Considérations sur l’Ordre de Cincinnatus which was published in London November that year, an English translation carried out by Samuel Romilly followed, of which an American edition was published in 1786.[22]

    Following this public debate and criticism, George Washington, who had been unaware of the particulars of the charter when he agreed to become president of the society, began to have doubts about the benefit of the society. He had in fact considered abolishing the society on its very first general meeting May 4, 1784.[23] However, in the mean time Major L’Enfant had arrived bringing his designs of the diplomas and medals, as well as news of the success of the society in France, which made an abolishment of the society impossible. Washington instead at the meeting launched an ultimatum, that if the clauses about heredity were not abandoned, he would resign from his post as president of the society. This was accepted, and furthermore informal agreement was made not to wear the eagles in public, so as not to resemble European chivalrous orders. A new charter, the so-called Institution, was printed, which omitted among others the disputed clauses about heredity. This was sent to the local chapters for approval, and it was approved in all of them except for the chapters in New York, New Hampshire and Delaware. However, when the public furor about the society had died down, the new Institution was rescinded, and the original reintroduced, including the clauses about heredity.[24]

    The French chapter, who had obtained official permission to form from the king Louis XVI of France, also abolished heredity, but never reintroduced it, and thus the last members were approved February 3, 1792, shortly before the French monarchy was disbanded.


  17. FJ, recipients have included Merkel and other foreign dignitaries.


  18. Kid says:

    A lot of those medals are Brilliant Leader Compriment medals.


  19. -FJ says:

    If only TGIF’s servers wore such elaborate “flare”!



  20. geeez2014 says:

    CI, you mean they give too many awards now…?

    Does anybody here feel Diana Ross deserves one? Meryl Streep?
    With that crowd getting them, I’d NOT want one as a soldier….

    BUT, if awards, medals are given for true valor, I believe that ceremony/award, too, is part of the patriotism we’re losing in America


  21. woodsterman says:

    That Marine said it for me too.


  22. geeez2014 says:

    Scaramucci (OFF TOPIC) says it’s the New Yawker way to tell people things to their face if you’re unhappy about something….
    I’m thinking that’s an excellent thing. Tell Sessions to HIS FACE, IN PERSON, NOT to the whole world via tweets.


  23. Tell Sessions to HIS FACE, IN PERSON, NOT to the whole world via tweets.


    you mean they give too many awards now…?

    Z – If you referring to military awards…yep. But they’ve also become automatically tiered to specific rank, service wards anyway…not necessarily valor awards.


  24. geeez2014 says:

    CI “automatically tiered”…what’s the point!? SAD


  25. As for Trump/Sessions,this is poor management technique.
    I recently found myself in a similar position as I described at my blog.
    Sessions is in the right. He is acting in a principled and following Department of Justice regulation, 28 CFR 45.2. (The only person that could excuse Sessions from that restriction is Trump himself.)
    But Sessions, as right as he is, will still lose since he is not the boss and there is no one else to appeal to above Trump.
    Sessions was not issued the Pass that all Democrat presidents issue to subordinates such as Holder and Lynch. (See Scooter Libby).
    In the right book, this would end with an announcement of a large bust of leakers who were indicted because Trump and Sessions had engaged in a charade to make them feel confident in exposing themselves somehow.


  26. geeez2014 says:

    Ed, I keep hoping Trump and Sessions are in on something GOOD….I don’t think so, I think Trump’s damaging himself far FAR too much with these horrible remarks about Sessions….and Sessions is starting to sound defensive and nervous. Bad days.

    My buddy Rich has a good take on it: Well, he has a take on it…there’s nothing good about it:
    “A Session on Sessions” is the title in case some of you see this tomorrow and Rich has written another post by that time. WELL WORTH THE READ..


  27. Good overview by your friend, but since I can’t comment there, I will comment here.
    What Republican senator would gavel and call a session to stop Trump from a recess appointment?


  28. I just expanded on my comment (10:36) above and blogged it.


  29. Good write up by Rich Galen, Z. It’s a bit difficult to give him my sympathies, given my opposition to his “war” on drugs and his support for civil asset forfeiture, but I think he’s been getting a raw deal, in the public spotlight. As Ed said, poor management.


  30. Mal says:

    Z, nothing to do with today’s topic but when you mentioned your buddy Rich, it reminded me of the drummer Buddy Rich back in the 50’s (you know, the old days before your time) when he and Gene Krupa were the most famous drummers.


  31. bocopro says:

    One of the classics I pull up to play when I’m feelin a li’l blah is “Sing, Sing, Sing” with that great Krupa solo and those provocative trumpets. Benny ain’t bad on the woodwind version of the trumpet, also.


  32. Baysider says:

    1. The Marine
    2. Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    3. David Horowitz
    4. Dennis Prager (for Prager University, the #2 watched Youtube channel globally)


  33. Kid says:

    Mal, Buddy Rich. My first thought too.


  34. geeez2014 says:

    Was introduced to Buddy Rich in a music class…couldn’t wait to buy an album and did…fabulous.
    And I’m not the biggest drummer fan…but he was fabulous. “Sing sing sing’…amazing.

    Baysider, if you know about Ali what I know about her, you’d think twice…appalling. I’ll tell you in person. Maybe.
    Prager..good call. Horowitz…egomaniac but very nice to chat with and has excellent speaker series.

    Ed, I don’t know but Rich Galen knows a lot more than you and I know.

    Here’s a teaser; I wish you could all hear and see my friend who told me some inside stuff about the WH Tuesday night. Scared me….”you can’t put this on your blog”…then she proceeded to barely tell me anything but…….oh my god.


  35. Every year, Buddy Rich won drummer of the year and Carson would have him on to congratulate him.
    Til the year Billy Cobham won it.
    Buddy scowled when the subject came up.
    Billy Cobham stated he once met Rich in a club and asked him to sign his snare but Rich dropped it down the stairs.
    When he was dying he was asked if he was allergic to anything and he answered “country and western “.


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