The WILL to kill…… the owner’s, not the gun’s

So, the monster who killed all those people, and injured more, in Texas Sunday morning was not denied a gun license as first reported.  No, it turns out he did have a license after all because our Air Force forgot to enter in the domestic violence part of his discharge so he was able to purchase guns.   Great, huh?   My point is, the law might have worked if our military was more effective.


SO, is it the GUN that kills, as “STOP THE GUNS CROWD” would like to say, or is it THE PERSON WHO WON’T STOP EVEN WITH STRICTER GUN LAWS who kills? (rhetorical question, of course)

The brave guy who shot the perp  “…. only thanked God for giving him the courage to pursue the suspect. “I think my God, my Lord, protected me and gave me the skills to do what needed to be done.”  The man he got to chase the perp once he’d driven away in his car says not that he did so well, or he’s such a hot shot for having done it..he says  “I’m grateful.  I’m grateful I could do it and this guy will never hurt more people.”    These are the types of men who have legal guns.  Powerful stuff.



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42 Responses to The WILL to kill…… the owner’s, not the gun’s

  1. bocopro says:

    Damn, or as Milady would say, “Putangina!”

    In Spanish it’d be somethin like, “Hijo de la chingada . . . ahora volvemos otra vez!” or something like that. My Spanglish ain’t what it usedta be.

    French would be maybe, “Voici! Nous revoila encore.” Prob’ly syntactically redundant or just plain wrong, my Franglais is worse than my Spanglish.

    A sociopathic moron with contempt for Christianity got hold of a weapon he shouldn’t have had access to and basically wiped out an innocuous community.

    So that’s all we hear about for a week, that and “GUNS ARE EVIL! WE MUST ABOLISH THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR LEADERS!!!!!!”

    I’m tellin ya, the worst thing we can do is splash this all over the news 24/7 with pics and interviews of people we’ve never even known existed until Sunday.

    See, the thing is, just as you can’t fix stupid, you can’t fix crazy. He should never have had weapons, and he probably should’ve been locked up after his previous behavior. It’s called a “trend,” or “behavioral traits,” or “markers.” We usedta do that years ago.

    But, the Air Force blew a simple administrative routine and he never got on the NO FIREARM list.

    Bottom line – government screws up, people suffer. Of course when the PEOPLE screw up, the government doesn’t suffer, but that’s another issue.

    The rules are there . . . the forms, the reports, the procedures, the rules, the laws – but some clerk bungles the paperwork and a psycho slips through the cracks. We do NOT need more damned laws; we just need to enforce the ones we already have.

    Yeah, yeah . . . I know – we’re basically naked apes with a thin veneer of civilization covering our bloodthirsty instincts like cobwebs on a hibernating bear. But broadcasting the gory details and human interest stories over and over and over does little more than excite and inspire the incipient wannabes.

    Shoulda been more like

    “A psychotic lunatic attacked churchgoers in a small town in Texas Sunday morning. A number of people were killed and a similar number wounded before armed citizens responded, wounding him and causing him to crash his escape vehicle then shoot himself in the head with his own weapon.”

    Alli. Fini. Basta. Nobody in Milwaukee or Albany or Spokane or anyplace else farther away than San Antonio needs any details . . . just the people in the surrounding communities who may have had friends or family in Sutherland Springs.

    You take a million naked apes and line ‘em up and at least one will be psychologically severely damaged. You put ‘em in close living conditions and sooner or later the wacko will do something obscene or brutal or deadly.

    You get over 300 million and put ‘em in cramped, noisy, frustrating communities and the psychos will vent their resentment, their fear, their disgruntlement by whatever means available to them, sharp instruments, pickup trucks, nitrates, or bang sticks.

    It happens. Find the bad guys and eliminate ‘em. Period. Don’t romanticize their psychopathy over and over and over and over on national television. Let those affected by the carnage mourn, but don’t feed the bloodlust of otherwise uninvolved people thousands of miles away.

    The best way to handle killers, rapists, terrorists, arsonists, abusers, deadbeats, malcontents . . . those who don’t work and play well with others . . . is to apprehend them, alive, and let the survivors or families of the victims deal with ‘em.

    Broadcasting people’s loss, grief, pain, suffering, just whets the appetites of other potential psychological predators. And as for banning weapons, tell me more about how well that 18th Amendment worked out.


  2. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…thanks for your comment!
    My point is that THE LAW DIDN’T WORK. Raise your hand if you think this jerk never would have got a gun even if he HAD been cited on an Air Force “No Gun” list. Ridiculous, isn’t it? Of COURSE he could find a gun!!! Who wants a gun and can’t find one anywhere?

    Yes, gun-haters, there are LAWS………and people die in spite of the laws. With tighter laws, ONLY THE BAD GUYS will keep their guns.


    Our laws work today (if the Air Force had been on it;…)……..VERY stringent vetting must be done…psychos shouldn’t get guns…etc etc.

    But if ALL GUNS are given back……… I ask in my post “WHO WILL FINALLY END UP HAVING GUNS?”



  3. geeez2014 says:

    :”TRUMP DISMISSES CALLS FOR TOUGHER GUN LAWS” is the headline on most venues this morning..
    Yup! That’s ol’ Trump! The inference being he doesn’t really care who got shot!
    The truth is the laws work. Try following the laws…


  4. John M. Berger says:

    A propane bomb could have, completely, wiped-out the whole thing. Not only that it could have been detonated from afar with a cell phone. If the ‘grabbers’ could confiscate every single firearm in the country it wouldn’t make much difference; that is as long a nuts are allowed to wander free!


  5. Baysider says:

    Here’s a worse thought: maybe the Air Force didn’t ‘forget.’ Maybe he had a buddy do him a favor. (Although it doesn’t sound like he had a lot of friends.) I feel bad for even thinking it.

    JMB’s point is well taken. What “tougher law” would have prevented this?

    What stopped it is what has stopped many a shooting like this: a responsible citizen with a firearm. Thanks for the quotes from them! I remember one school shooting (perfect targets, eh – unarmed, like most churches) where the vice principal ran to his car parked the legal 1,000 feet from the school to retrieve his gun. Even with the 3+ block run he returned armed and stopped the killer before the sheriff arrived. Some died because of that stupid 1,000-foot rule. Then there were 2 students in an Oregon high school who had taken NRA gun safety training and knew when they could safely charge and overpower the killer.


  6. Baysider says:

    As for the “wild west”, it was safer for gun deaths per capita than the then civilized eastern cities. An anti-gun researcher did the study. He cherry picked the “worst” years to compare to influence the result. Surprise! He had the integrity to publish it and suggest we re-think the issue.


  7. Kid says:

    England has been disarmed for decades. It is #1 for violent attack crimes in Europe and #2 in the world.

    Australia recently imposed a 200K fine after their mandatory turn in and grace period expired. think anyone intent on killing cares about that fine?

    What are going to do when a thug or two come smashing into your house with clubs, knives, rocks, sharp sticks… Hole on please I’m calling 911, you stay right there. The dire consequences of disarming are so obvious. I’m so tired of the debate coming up every 5 minutes again and again and over and over mainly because it reminds me how many morons I’m surrounded by who also vote.


  8. geeez2014 says:

    GREAT point, JMB…yes, one bomb….poof

    Baysider, I still hope all of us aren’t carrying within 10 years….I hope our society can overcome the mental illness, the leftwing rubbish, etc., that people won’t have to carry.

    Kid, no way would anybody turn in a gun they want to use for any amount of money. Except if they still had one at home….then you sell one for 200K, make HUGE money, and start shooting with the other.




  9. geeez2014 says:

    Only Trump would say “If the gunman hadn’t been stopped, we would have had HUNDREDS MORE DEAD”.
    There aren’t HUNDREDS more in the whole city.


  10. TOM says:

    Mayor di Blasio wanted to let the entire world know that just because some Allahu Akbarbarian jumps out of a rental pickup truck after plowing through a crowd of bicyclists and pedestrians, killing 8 and injuring several more…screaming in his native tongue that his so called prophet was nd like the Mayor’s Lord and Saviour Barrack Obama the wonderful one would always say……”There is no reason whatsoever to leap to a rushed conclusion that it was a terrorist attack”.
    Give a liberal the chance and the opportunity and you can always bet your last dollar that they’ll always use any act of mass murder when a gun is used to demand Gun Control and end up attacking our 2nd Amendment, but after last week’s act of Islamic terrorism in New York City, did anyone happen to see any liberal demanding Rental Pickup Truck Control?

    According to Democrats, Progressives , or liberals…it’s always the gun’s fault, but never the person holding the gun, or never the fault of the Rental Pickup Truck ) at least not yet!) …and it’s never the person’s fault who happened to be at the steering wheel of the Truck for that matter. And Certainly not if the person happens to be a Muslim…because, in the eyes of liberals, Muslims / Islam is the religion of peace.

    Lets look at the law!
    In the case of Sundays Church massacre in Texas, the Crazie was a ,dishonorable discharged former Air force serviceman.
    The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm including Title II Firearms (a Silencer, SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machine Gun).

    A person who is convicted of a crime that is punishable by imprisonment for more than one year ( including a dishonorable discharge) is prohibited from possessing a firearm. Under 18 U.S.C. 922(g), a felon who is found guilty of gun possession may serve up to 10 years in prison.

    If you have been convicted of a felony or a dishonorable discharge, be careful of constructive possession. You could be guilty of being in possession of a firearm if your spouse or another family or household member has a firearm that you “could” access.

    Laws are made of Law abiding people to obey. Criminals or Crazy Nut Jobs do not obey Laws… Never! And just incase any of you Liberals don’t know it.. Murder Is Illegal, and therefor against the law.

    And the guys who ran down the bicyclists, and the guy who shot up that Church in Texas were good guys with a truck, and with a gun, until they became Radicalized Muslims and became bad guys with a truck, and a gun


  11. Mal says:

    As JMB pointed out so well, even more deadly options to mass murder are out there for the mentally deranged, esp. in the electronic age of cell phones, etc.
    I believe its past the time we move to our safe, little island in Shangrila.


  12. John M. Berger says:

    “If the ‘grabbers’ could confiscate every single firearm in the country it wouldn’t make much difference”

    I wish to amend that by adding: “insofar as mass murder in concerned”

    Of course, as Kid so sagely advises: ” The dire consequences of disarming are so obvious”. Yes we would lose almost all means of self-defence.


  13. cube says:

    Arguing with a left wing anti gun idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon… no matter how good you are, the bird is going to $hit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Ultimately it’s not about logical arguments with them. They are hell bent on taking our guns away because an unarmed populace is easy to control.


  14. Bob says:

    I don’t own a gun, but it’s starting to look like I will. My wife and I are giving serious attention to home invasions, car jacking, terrorist attacks, and just plain crazy people. There are threats out there, and there is no reason why a person should not be armed just for their self-defense. After all, that’s the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. Let the people have the means of defense.

    The experience of a crazy person and their motivations balanced by citizens with a willingness for defense show the way to mitigate both mass shootings of this type, and lone wolf type terrorist attacks. With a probability of someone carrying firearms, a shooter or killer will be less inclined to mount their attack.

    The government should include the means in the tax bill to give citizens of the United States tax credits for buying firearms. It makes sense.


  15. bocopro says:

    Got my first gun when I was 5 years old, a cut down .22 rifle my Uncle Bob (the Marine who kept getting shot in the Pacific so they finally sent him home) modified for me and taught me to shoot.

    Hunted quail and rabbit with either a .410 or 16 gauge as a teenager (few things in this world better than bobwhite quail for dinner), and red squirrel with a .22 rifle.

    Shot a whole bunch of skeet and trap for many years, and still have 12 gauge, a nine-shot .22 pistol, a .22 single-shot rifle, a .30 calibre rifle, and intend to get Milady a .38 revolver. My son has more weapons than I do. One of my daughters carries a sweet little S&W .38, but my other daughter’s husband has a felony record, so he hasn’t even tried to get a permit.

    Had guns basically all my life and none of ’em have ever snuk off and shot anybody. Treat them as tools, like a hammer or a ratchet handle or a set of screwdrivers . . . or a chain saw or a pistol-grip hi-speed drill . . . all of which are lethal in the wrong hands.

    Taught all my kids how to handle pistols and various types of ammunition, including tins of green-dot powder and primers for reloading shotgun shells, as well as how to use and maintain tools. None of them have murdered anybody so far either.


  16. Mal says:

    Ha-ha-ha! I love Cube’s analogy about playing chess with a pigeon………..and agree with him.


  17. Kid says:

    Bob, If I may.

    Pistols and a shotgun or two are home defense. Shotgun for 20+ feet away. Pistol for close in.

    The shotgun should be semi-automatic with a decent capacity – Weatherby SA08 for example can hold 6 in the tube and one in the chamber and in tactical black as opposed to wooden stock can be a reasonable price. There’s a bunch of them though –

    One of the pistols I chose was Springfield Armory .40 cal XDM. 16 in the clip one in the chamber.
    Link in next comment so it doesn’t go to moderation.


  18. Kid says:

    Bob, part II –
    The lever on the trigger is part of a two factor safety system. The slide on the top of the back of the grip is the 2nd part. Therefore you need to be gripping the pistol in such as a way that you intend to shoot it to disengage the safety. No lever to fool around with when you need to fire it. Grip it and rip it. I figure when faced with such a threat you don’t need to be fooling around with levers or other mecahnical safety items.

    Then if you need more than 7 12 ga shots or 17 .40 cal shots you probably weren’t going to make it anyway.

    I also have a semi-auto .22 that would be my first choice for home defense in a close quarter sitauation as I have more confidence I wouldn’t be killing neighbors should the bullt go through a wall and next door. To be efective though, the 22 needs to be a through the heart or a head shot.


  19. “Only Trump would say “If the gunman hadn’t been stopped, we would have had HUNDREDS MORE DEAD”.
    There aren’t HUNDREDS more in the whole city.”
    No but there were more in other cities and he had more guns and ammo in his vehicle than he carried into the church. Maybe “hundreds” was hyperbole.
    I like that Trump did not knee jerk something about needing to control guns.
    I like Trump’s response to the reporter in Korea,
    And, a legal law abiding citizen shot the SOB. That law worked.
    God bless him.


  20. Kid, I’m with you on no safeties. The Kahr 9 in my pocket has one safety. It sits between my ears.
    Hasn’t misfired yet.


  21. Kid says:

    We should be doing gun safety lessons in the earliest grades possible including pre-school.

    When we were 10, we let a new kid come along with us down to the river to shoot my Dad’s German P38 semi-auto pistol. Some of us shot at floating bottles in the river, then he wanted to shoot, so I handed the pistol over and he took a shot then pointed the gun at his head and we all yelled NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!. He didn’t understand how a semi worked. We didn’t invite him back,


  22. Kid says:

    Ed, All you need is what is between your ears. Guns are dangerous and if you can’t handle them, no mechanical device is going to be any better than some guy on the ground when you’re at 10000 feet with engine trouble and few places to land.


  23. Jersey Jack says:

    BOB….”My wife and I are giving serious attention to home invasions, car jacking….”
    Kid gives excellent advice Bob. The Springfield he speaks of is a marvelous piece of self-defense and the built-in dual trigger setup is perfect. The gun is a good size for a man but for your lady, Kid might agree with me that a nice Ruger .380 can be had for less than $300 at a place like Buds Guns. I happen to know that Kid and I share the same make and model 380 for his lady as I do mine. They’re perfect for a woman’s smaller hand, easier loading and trigger pull.

    Just my 2 cents echoing how wise and in the affirmative that I am with Kids.


  24. geeez2014 says:

    BOB…”The government should include the means in the tax bill to give citizens of the United States tax credits for buying firearms. It makes sense.”



  25. geeez2014 says:


    Some actress most of us have never heard of is suing Weinstein and it looks like the lawsuit will stand against him.
    Get this; SHE WAS RAPED BY HIM TWICE</b)

    Wouldn't you think you'd stay completely away from a monster who RAPED YOU ONCE?
    She was 'increasingly terrified'…he was stalking here….THEN HE RAPED HER AGAIN!
    Why not have gone to the cops?

    Darn! All Tucker's interested in is "how can 2 felony rapes occur without the cops?" I say "How can 2 felony rapes HAPPEN!? HOW DUMB IS SHE?? " or "HOW AMBITIOUS IS SHE?"


  26. Kid says:

    I was raped three times by a beautiful woman. I’m not suing. Of course, weinstein looks like a fat raccoon that needs a shave so you may have something there.


  27. Mustang says:

    @ Bob …

    My arsenal includes the Bersa Thunder .380 … accurate, dependable, versatile, and affordable. I also prefer the Interstate Arms 12 gauge black matte finish shotgun with an 18.5 inch barrel. It comes with Ghost Ring sights, a 5+1 shell chamber, and weighs 7 pounds; costs right at $200. if you are most concerned with such things are car-jacking, then you could consider The Judge, which is chambered for .45/410.


  28. John M. Berger says:

    I have >20 firearms to include a WALTHER PPK-S. It’s one of my favorites. Kid, I use to have a WALTHER P-38 but I sold it; wish I never would have. It’s good to hear that my friends are well armed!


  29. John M. Berger says:

    I meant to say that the PPK-S is also a .380.


  30. Kid says:

    JMB, our house has other weapons too.


  31. Mustang says:

    @ Kid … and don’t forget the attack cats.


  32. Kid says:

    Mustang. My ace in the hole…


  33. I asked my pastor, years ago, if I could carry in church.
    He asked if I could leave it in my car and I told him that would still be church property and illegal without his permission..
    He said OK.
    Next Sunday, asked to see it.
    Later we scheduled men’s outings to the range.
    Now one of the women is a three gun champion.
    A friend in my Bible Study showed me the pistol she carried. She has a Kahr 9 just like mine.
    I’ve often been called to check the entry, but I am by no means alone in carrying at church now. Including Scherie. 🙂
    I was shocked that the church in Texas was unarmed.


  34. Mustang says:

    I believe that the right of self-defense is an unalienable right. I also think that the right of self-defense should be absolute. Not everyone agrees with me about this, of course. But let me also say that the kind of violence we’ve seen recently is not unheard of in our history. Christians have been attacked in churches before … Overseas, Christians are routinely cut down by murdering Moslems, and Christian missionaries were beheaded in China and Japan. At home, Christians were attacked while in church by American Indians.

    So, violence breaks out in a split second and the cops are only 10 minutes away. How safe is that? It comes down to this: if we have loved-ones, then we ought to be able to protect them. There is no greater “civil right” than to be allowed to live our lives in peace and safety. Whenever a thug engages the innocent because they are “soft targets,” because they wish to deprive our loved-ones of their civil rights, then we ought to up the ante and make such behaviors dangerous in the extreme for people live Devin Kelly. We need more concealed carry, not less.


  35. Kid says:

    The powers that be have No Ability to control the weaponry of the evil doers. Each of us is Born with the Right to defend our lives and the lives of anyone we choose. If that means me or anyone else as Skipper of a well armed Nuclear submarine, then so be it. It sure as hell means I can pull a gun from my waist and tell my attacker that he’ll be a daisy if he does do me in.

    No life situation became better because people became less able to defend themselves.


  36. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, …not sure I have anything to say about men being raped. geeesh

    Church and guns….sickening. Says a terrible thing about our society that anybody’d need guns in church…
    I hate guns, but I’m not against people having them legally………

    Yes, Mustang, we need more concealed carry….tonight a few of us watching FOX saw an anti-gun activist remind us that the Walmart shooting the other day apparently brought a lot of concealed carries out and it stymied the cops, big time. I can see that happening….Cops don’t have time to ask “are you the perp? Are YOU?”
    But….I think, in general, while I can’t stand the idea of everyone having a gun, they have been mostly beneficial in threatening events.


  37. Kid says:

    Z, You’re a woman. If I may conclude that you were raised in an environment to expect that men would protect and take care of you? That you don’t have a mind set that is focused on taking care of yourself and others. Men, especially those my age were raised to think in terms of being protectors. Our women, our family, our friends.

    Church and guns, sickening? No not at all. Gun free zones plus vermin with guns is what is sickening.

    Everyone should be required to have and carry a gun as far as I’m concerned, or sign a waiver that if they are killed or injured as a result of a vermin gun event they will hold no one else responsible.


  38. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, it’s the very idea we need guns in churches I find sickening….The fact that monsters will destroy our society which, only 10 years ago, would have been shocked at the suggestion that things like this could happen! Who ever went to church thinking you’re going to get killed there? Since Islamists, I’ve had that thought in church from time to time, I have to admit..

    All the men in my family are protectors….I cherish them for it…always have, always will, you’re right.


  39. Mal says:

    Kid, I inherited a pistol my grandfather originally bought for protection in the 1930’s. It’s a S&W .38 5 shot revolver. I never thought much about the fact it also has the safety on the back of the handle like you mentioned. It releases automatically as you squeeze the trigger. From your comments I see you agree its the most sensible option.


  40. Kid says:

    MAL, Yea, I think most people that had a lever on the side of the pistol would likely use two hands to release the safety. I don’t find that attractive. If you’re awake and you hear something disturbing you have time to pick up the pistol check at its status, release the safety. If you don’t have time like some vermin shows up at your drivers side window, or you’re awakened by a noise in the house. I just want to grab it and know it is ready to go. I also keep the chamber loaded so I don’t even have to rack it. The guns here are a mere trigger pull away from firing.
    We don’t have kids in the house nor will we ever. If things like that were in our environment, I would have a different tune. Mad and I shoot regularly so that she’s up on the physical operations of all our weapons. I’m confident she could grab one of our pistols and use it to her advantage. Some days she is a better shot than I though I had cataract surgery since our last outing so we’ll see about that 🙂


  41. Kid says:

    MAL, PS, we don’t have a shell in the chamber of the 12 GA. I’m thinking operating the loud loading mechanism to chamber a shell in that thing might give any invaders a little pause. I never look forward to shooting anyone. I’d rather they wet their pants, run and never come back.


  42. Mal says:

    Kid, your lucky your wife is willing to learn about firearms. Mine doesn’t want to learn, which leaves it all up to me. I don’t carry, but when traveling, I put it in the pocket of the drivers door with a glove over it ’cause ya never know!


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