Bring in the foreigners…WE can’t do it!???

THIS STORY made me angry.…  What has happened to American education?  We have just learned that a large number of 8th graders are nowhere near proficient in math or reading!   And this article I linked is about nursing;  we haven’t even schools enough to train nurses who want to go into the industry!

Instead of training our own nurses, we bring them in from overseas…I can’t tell you how many friends I have who’ve complained that every nurse in a very large hospital was foreign, and not that nice and, frankly, not so good.   Most good doctors will recommend a relative stay with the patient, or hire someone to advocate for the patient while they’re in the hospital.  WHY?  Is that a good change?  I don’t think so.  Mostly Philippina nurses are in California hospitals, yours, too?  This isn’t against the Philippinas, but American nurses have quite some stories to relate about that situation and they’re not all good.

We can’t educate American-born nurses!   We don’t have the schools large enough and we have a huge shortage of nurses!



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28 Responses to Bring in the foreigners…WE can’t do it!???

  1. I can’t tell you how many friends I have who’ve complained that every nurse in a very large hospital was foreign, and not that nice and, frankly, not so good.

    I had a similar experience when I was hospitalized in October 2016.

    I also noted that nurses who had been certified by a four-year university were much better nurses than those certified by our local community college.

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  2. My best friend, a nursing manager for years, has decided to get out of the medical industry, much to his financial detriment. He’s tired of dealing with many of the nurses he had to.

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  3. bocopro says:

    As with many hot-button issues that pop up as the crisis du jour from time to time, I don’t fully understand the factors involved in this nurse-teaching problem. In fact, I seriously doubt that we EVER get the full story on anything, even with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.

    As I understand the situation, tho, it’s essentially one of qualified teachers: there ain’t enuf of ’em, and that’s why schools often reject qualified applicants. Prob’ly not that simple, but that’s what I get from what I read and what I hear.

    Another problem I hear from the local university is that kids coming out of high schools with respectable GPAs are nowhere near the quality their counterparts of 25 years ago were. IOW, grade creep and lowering of acceptable minimum standards have made high-school diplomas unreliable proof of kids’ having learned anything useful.

    From my 15 years of teaching freshman comp at the local university, I realized that roughly 10% of students required remedial training in basic grammar before wasting everybody’s time in Comp I. And for the rest, I can’t remember EVER having had one who’d been taught the practice of sentence diagramming, and try to explain how a gerund can have an object? Yeah, right!

    Compared to the 40s and 50s, too many of today’s students seem to have acquired an attitude of “that’s close enough” or “you know what I meant.” By extension, I suspect that attitude has spilled over into other areas, causing a corresponding drop in knowledge mastery.

    The IBs and APs, those gifted with the ability to slice through the clutter and drudgery of fundamentals to spot the bottom line intuitively while the locksteppers have to actually involve preliminary steps and — GASP! — homework to get from A to Z are often the worst where rules and processes and thorough understanding are concerned.

    Many times I’ve had students who were MUCH quicker at seeing things than I ever was tell me that they didn’t need to bother with the fundamentals of grammar and punctuation and spelling because they’ll always have a computer — or a secretary — to do that simple stuff for them.

    That disdain, bordering on contempt for “ordinary” people’s abilities, puts rules and clarity and understandable content on a back burner. What you wind up with all too often is a kid whose air conditioner quits working because he doesn’t clean the filters, so instead of performing the distasteful fundamentals, he decides to redesign the system while Bubba cleans up the mess.


  4. geeez2014 says:

    AOW…schooling counts, doesn’t it. INteresting point you make.

    Ed….people just don’t have the dignity they did about their jobs….look at the teachers marching and closing schools to do so…for higher pay. Not sure how i feel about them looking for higher pay when the stats show they are, in general, FAILING themselves. I was trying to remember when i was a kid and people still had dignity if teachers went out on strike: never.

    Bocopro…I’m SO tired of hearing “Me and my brother”, etc etc…… rankles me. You and I, and most here, couldn’t say that if we TRIED to. It just wasn’t taught! And our folks sure didn’t talk like that. “Me and him”…OMG!!!
    I noticed an ENORMOUS change in just m preschoolers when I used to teach a class at a preschool….in six years, the kids went from SPONGES who loved everything I said and remembered it…to kids who couldn’t sit still long enough to hear what I said, (not all, but more than six years previous), and never remembered a thing. It wasn’t ME…I taught the same. But these ‘newer’ kids are plugged into Ipads even at restaurants so their folks can talk without the child asking questions, being engaged…he/she is just plugged in staring at a screen.
    THIS IS NOT GOOD. I was quite literally SCARED at the difference in the children in only 4-6 years…ssame age, some from the same families; but NO LISTENING ABILITY, NO SITTING QUIET ABILITY… very scary

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  5. Foreign workers work cheaper. It’s ALL about the Benjamins.


  6. bocopro says:

    Another one is the overcompensation flaw. Somebody gets corrected for using “me” with “you and me have to have a talk” or “my homey and me we went to da hood fo some smack” and then in trying to sound ejjicated, comes up with “they promised they’d send it to you and I” or “the difference between you and I” is —

    I neither cringe nor correct except when whatever’s being said is so unclear as to be taken possibly as the inverse of what was intended.

    Both my daughters have offered me serious physical injury for correcting their grammar in speech. They’re pretty good with the fundamentals, and even ask me to edit or proofread things they’ve written, especially e-mails, before sendin ’em out. But let me correct my elder girl (55 years old) on pronoun case or faulty parallel or antecedent problems in everyday conversation — dangerous.

    I didn’t know she even KNEW some of the slanguage she comes up with questioning my judgment and general usefulness.


  7. Kid says:

    I don’t know much about this situation, but my gut tells me Vrag is probably correct. All about the money.

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  8. bunkerville says:

    There is no money in teaching.. Full stop.. Why bother when we can import? The nasty truth it is the same with Doctors. Florida is flooded with Cuban Doctors……the days of American Doctors is closing, Thanks to Obamacare, Physicians have to join large practices affiliated with Hospitals. Salaried employees no more no less…and the foreign ones come cheap.

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  9. Z,
    I was quite literally SCARED at the difference in the children in only 4-6 years…ssame age, some from the same families; but NO LISTENING ABILITY, NO SITTING QUIET ABILITY… very scary.

    I’ve observed much the same with the homeschoolers with whom I work — although to a less extent with Chinese Americans and Chinese nationals.

    I’ve also noted that parents now want their kids “to feel safe” — which is another term for being worried about their children’s self-esteem to the point that they disenroll their children if their children get a bad grade on a test, quiz, or essay.

    This generation of American young people will likely be running gopher errands for their Chinese employers. I kid you not!


  10. Bunkerville’s comment above is spot on! As is Vrag’s comment.


  11. Mal says:

    How can it be about the money when they are offering all kinds of incentives, like housing and free tuition? I remember back in the ’80’s when I was in banking and real estate lending, the banks and mortgage companies had such a shortage of loan processors they offered a 2 week vacation for two to Hawaii as an incentive to get them on board.
    Presently we have 2 grandchildren that are trying to get into nursing school. You wouldn’t think it would be that hard, would you?


  12. geeez2014 says:

    MONEY is always a component of this stuff, but it’s a VERY SMALL one on the nursing situation if you read the link.
    THERE ARE NO SCHOOL OPENINGS. I mentioned this to a high schooler today because something about the subject came up; he said “Ya, my aunt tried to get into nursing school and there aren’t any openings.” Not “they’re too expensive”…THERE are NONE.

    AOW, I am tired of hearing how much brighter Chinese kids are because I have been exposed to probably 50 in the last few years at the high school I’m affiliated with and, believe me, there are really bright ones and the rest are lazy, befuddled by English and don’t care enough to better their skills, or are failing, or all of the above.

    The ESL teacher tells me there are MANY situations where Chinese kids have paid AMERICAN BRIGHT KIDS to do their papers, take the tests, etc, in colleges and universities…….. I don’t buy the “They’re so much smarter” anymore. AND, some of these kids are RICH RICH RICH…money is NO OBJECT. We had at least one kid with $1500 sneakers on his feet….take Uber EVERYWHERE, etc…..My student last year must have bought 50 lipstick tubes all over $50 a TUBE!! Maybe more than 50 , come to think of it. SO, they have little ambition. What jobs they’ll get as adults is beyond me because what I know from their families is THE PARENTS WORK HARD and THE MOTHERS ARE ALL WORKING BESIDE THEIR HUSBANDS IN VERY LUCRATIVE BUSINESSES and they pay LITTLE attention to their children.

    We are RIDICULOUSLY over indulgent to our kids…Chinese parents ignore theirs. Story after story, kids are sent here and are allowed back for December and Summer,then “back ya go!” And, when the kids do go home, they’re alone at home OR they’re shipped to boarding schools. MANY MANY Chinese kids live at boarding schools and the school time is usually about 7 hours a day, which is why they’re sent here…they just can’t cut it there.


  13. Kid says:

    Z, fwiw, When I mentioned money I was talking about how much they’re being paid which I believe is less. Don’t know for a fact though.


  14. geeez2014 says:

    Mal, are they trying to find an OPENING in a nursing school? I agree with you about the money part…

    Bunkerville IS correct about physicians’ days ending. My own nephew’s a resident at the amazing DUKE Hospital and his dad is advising him not to go into practice but into research. He’s a brilliant kid and has already written papers that have been peer reviewed, etc., and he’s AOA, a very big honor for medical students particularly when rec’d in their fourth year of med school, which he did do. He’s hoping to do a little doctoring and a lot of research….\

    Americans might as well move over and let foreigners take over; we’ve not trained our children, we’ve not even got schools for those who want to go, our prices are so high some can’t go, they have no discipline, they’re not proficient (witness the stats that came out this week!!!), etc etc.


  15. Baysider says:

    This explains why many college and university systems are upgrading and expanding their nursing schools. I have submitted qualifications or worked on 3 alone. It’s been a problem for a LONG time, though. My best friend was one of those nurses admitted from the Philippines 45 years ago. She was an RN and spoke perfect English, so she could write her ticket. And they had similar issue in Philippines. She was engaged to an American when she had to go home for her father’s funeral. She was so afraid she’d be detained there because of her qualified nursing status, that they hurried up the wedding and green card in 5 days before she left. (This only worked because her father’s death was a national political murder sensation and she was now a high profile AMERICAN card carrier who was in a position to have a stink raised if they tried to keep her.)


  16. Mal says:

    Z, one of my grandchildren is my daughter’s daughter in her mid 20’s who is applying to nursing school, and the other is her younger brother whose wife recently graduated from Loma Linda University as a nurse and is working while he is trying to get accepted into a nursing school. Its tough.


  17. geeez2014 says:

    Baysider, I believe the hospitals in our area are probably 60% Phillippina;…I’ve heard american nurses say they’re gossips and create problems……but I think a little of that might be sour grapes……They’d better be expanding those nursing schools here quickly…..that process is endless.

    Mal, yes, but I wondered if it’s grades they’re concerned about or are they finding no openings in schools? Nice that the grandson’s wife graduated from Loma Linda..excellent hospital.


  18. geeez2014 says:

    Man, things just get worse and worse…not that this resignation is such a big deal (who cares?) but WHY? Will NOBODY withstand scrutiny of any kind EVER?? And Jackson has SO many witnesses to his drunkenness and other things, one really wonders how wonderful he was after all…. I have NO problem with what the media calls his “handing out pills”…Turns out he was on flights where he’d ask travelers on long flights, part of the President’s entourage, if an Ambien would help them sleep….. BUT, to give uppers to get through the day, which he apparently did, is a bit beyond the pale and that’s probably why he got the moniker “Candy Man”

    I feel like EVERYBODY IS JUST PLAIN SCREWED UP ANYMORE…very disheartening.


    Also, I found it funny that MSNBC and CNN (and FOX) aired Trump’s NRA speech just now…which I had to stop watching because most of what he did was talk about how absolutely incredible he is….but the crowd LOVED it!


  19. Mal says:

    Several of our family have graduated from there. My son got his DDS there, my daughters oldest son graduated from there and is in charge of all the computers at a hospital where his wife is a family doctor, also from Loma Linda U. His younger brother is graduating from there next month with his PHD in psychiatry and has been awarded a fellowship there.
    We have quite a connection at LLU.


  20. Mal says:

    But my oldest son graduated from USC! ;o)


  21. Baysider says:

    PS, Z my nurse friend was a committed Christian as well.


  22. The excerpts of Trump at the NRA that I heard were great.
    Same with his Rose Garden National Day of Prayer remarks.


  23. Actually, Trump’s remarks made me grin from ear to ear with joy at such a president.
    If he was self congratulatory, I can live with that. Somebody’s got to congratulate him. 🙂


  24. geeez2014 says:

    Ed, so glad you do. He needs more and more fans.


  25. I have a niece who as a nurse is in such high demand that her family lived in Belize and she commuted to California.
    I have another nurse niece who has a more normal position and a third who just got accepted to nursing school.
    The H1-B visas are killing demand for schooling nurses, apropos to your post title.


  26. Sparky says:

    So far here in Southeast Georgia, I see mostly American Nurses in Doctor’s offices and Hospitals. There are a few foreign Doc’s around, but it’s not really noticeable. So far.
    All the Western cultures are falling apart. Kids can’t read cursive because the teacher’s can’t, or won’t, teach it. Then there’s this: British Schools Removing Analog Clocks … . It’s sad to watch an entire culture slowly die. It wasn’t perfect, but it sure beats any other culture out there.


  27. Thomas Balt says:

    Z, I appreciate seeing this. FYI here’s a list of the Dr.s I and my wife are seeing: Mine Dr. Maheer Gandhavadi, MD, Cardiologist Dr. Peter Yz Jiang, MD, Oncology Hematologist Dr. Steve Martinez, MD, Oncology Surgeon Dr. Daniel Samandiego, OD, Opthomologist Dr. Xiaowen Wang, MD, Internal Mediicine, Medical Oncology Dr. Ge A Zhao, MD, Oncology Dermatologist Dr. Amandeep Kaur, MD, Internal Medicine (Primary Care Dr.)

    My wife’s Dr. Amandeep Kaur, MD, Internal Medicine (PCP) Dr. William Wisbeck, MD, Oncology Radiologist Dr. Maheer Gandhavadi, MD, Cardiologist Dr. Maneesh Gupta, MD, Gastroenterologist Dr. Daniel Samandiego, OD, Opthomologist. Dr. Prakash Thapaliya, MD, Oncology Hematologist Dr. Sara Worden, MD, Oncology Surgeon

    What % do you think were born in America? How about the % that received ALL of their medical education and training in the United States?

    You can find both of them in the list above.

    Tom PS Your’re old enough to know what PS stands for. Our education system has been in a state of deterioration for decades. The liberals are much better and playing the long game than are the conservatives. The decline in the system is not unplanned. They need an ignorant, that is uninformed, population. Actually, I should have used the word ‘misinformed’ instead of ‘uninformed’. Have a good night.


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