NATIONALISM

na·tion·al·ist

/ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/

noun

  • 1.a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations:“he was a staunch nationalist during his 22 years in power”

Are YOU a nationalist?   Is it wrong for a president of a country to vigorously support its interests to the detriment of interests of other nations?     I think it’s a RELIEF.

Nationalism vs Patriotism…I thought THIS WAS INTERESTING:

“Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing. However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism.

Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background, including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more emphasis on values and beliefs.

When talking about nationalism and patriotism, one cannot avoid the famous quotation by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’. According to him, nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects, while patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. These concepts show that patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive.”

WHICH ARE YOU?   Was Trump wrong to say he’s a nationalist?

Z

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38 Responses to NATIONALISM

  1. bocopro says:

    I’d say I’m a patriotic nationalist with a nasty streak of common sense which moderates it all and a barefoot country-boy skepticism about big gummint.

    As with all intangible motivators, myths, and abstract concepts, patriotism has its defenders and its detractors. And when hundreds of millions of people are involved, it’s foolish to expect them all to have the same attitude towards it.

    But a nation isn’t simply a bunch of real estate with pretty lakes and mountains and forests and natural resources. A culture isn’t merely everybody having dinner at the same time and watching the same sitcoms while they eat it. And patriotism isn’t just something like fluoride that you get in your water supply.

    Patriotism is a feeling. It’s a sense of belonging, a commitment to something bigger than yourself, an awareness, a willingness to share and protect common interests and values. True, if you’re born in India, you’ll likely be Hindu. If you’re born in Italy, you’ll probably be Catholic.

    But you have to stand for something in your life, or as the song says, you’ll fall anything. You have to have principles, and those principles have to be rooted in something permanent, something intrinsically good, something sound, something reliable, and that something may as well be a feeling of loyalty to the land of your ancestors and your birth. It’s certainly better than basing your principles on TV game shows or soap operas or the cold and unfeeling hard sciences such as math or nuclear physics.

    People need social interaction. Without it, they’re very likely to be isolated, lonely, and somewhat paranoid. They have no anchor or reference point except themselves, and when they are wrong about something, they have no fallback position.

    People who share common fundamentals in language, customs, purpose, and principles are much more likely to be well-adjusted, reliable citizens. Their need for social interaction is met because their friends and neighbors share at least some of their feelings, so they get that sense of belonging, of loyalty to something other than self, of purpose toward a greater concept.

    Patriotism can be a good thing, but like all things, it needs to be tailored to the situation and not taken to extremes unnecessarily. It’s like religion in that sense, a good thing until someone comes along and smacks you on the head with his Qur’an for not knowing the answer to some obscure question he asks you about Islam, Muhammad, and why women shouldn’t be allowed out of the house on their own.

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  2. Mustang says:

    Good for Trump!

    I am a nationalist and a patriot in the same way that I’m a Christian. Give me an AMERICAN NATIONALIST over a communist every time. As for Orwell, please recall that he was a Marxist before he woke up to the realities of communism. Nationalists don’t go to war except in their national defense … while nimrods like Obama and McCain never hesitate to provide munitions to our enemy (al Qaeda to ISIS), which only places Americans in greater danger.

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  3. Kid says:

    Given the number one mandate of the Federal Government is National Security, every one in Federal Governemnt should be American Nationalists. Course the media instantly slap on ‘White’ Nationalist as they try to demonize those who are traditionally anti-democrat/communist/marxist.

    I of course am both a nationalist and patriotic but to the country and its citizens who deserve such patriotism, not much to the government that I can see.

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  4. bunkerville says:

    Nationalism has a tendency to morph into expansionism which has given it a bad name, But then again, where would we be without Andrew Jackson…hanging onto a eastern sliver of land and by now speaking something other than English.

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  5. geeez2014 says:

    Bunkerville, the article I quote in my post mentions that and I think it’s true, but I still think for a president to say, basically, “I’M MORE FOR THE USA THAN OTHER COUNTRIES” rocks…..a nice change.

    Kid, exactly. They tack on WHITE in front of it, and absolutely STUPIDLY. But, that’s typical…..

    I was just watching news and some Jewish girl in Squirrel Hill said “The president has a Jewish daughter, I really doubt he’d encourage this kind of thing” Who EVER EVER mentioned to her that Trump ENCOURAGED the shootings? At least she had the brains to figure out how stupid THAT is!

    Mustang..yes…”Obama..McCain..AND OUR MEDIA”

    Bocopro…I hope your hand is feeling better. Yes, I agree with most of what you wrote…
    “Patriotism is a feeling. It’s a sense of belonging, a commitment to something bigger than yourself, an awareness, a willingness to share and protect common interests and values. ” TOTALLY agree and I think many immigrants are NOT feeling this and it’s causing barrios.

    I wish Trump would hammer what you said hOME..with this:

    “Nationalism does NOT mean WHITE Nationalism, it means putting my country first. Other countries do that, Americans need have no fear of doing that unless our media smacks “WHITE” in front of it, causing it to become something nobody would accept. More fake news. But I digress:
    We welcome immigrants to this country who will stand for our country, not waving their own flags except in their own homes, showing a willingness to share our language, share our values of hard work, share our desire to protect our common interests. This is what immigrants have done in the past, happily and gratefully. Nationalism, Patriotism, these are the things which will bring America back together again, natural citizens and naturalized citizens. The negativity of our universities against America must be stopped. The media’s constant negativity, the reduction of values which got us through so much, all these things must be fixed. God bless America! God bless our citizens and let’s ALL feel the gratitude of being in the greatest country on the face of this earth!”

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  6. Kid says:

    There’s a lot of money in Squirrel Hill.

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  7. Mal says:

    I feel its important to be both; okay to feel your country is superior to others, but also important not to say that when dealing with other countries. All countries should be run by people that feel that way or they wouldn’t be properly representing their people. Trump must feel the same way also because he said other countries should be working the best trade deals they can for themselves.

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  8. bunkerville says:

    But then again, I was never against expansionism… you steal my stuff or try to and then I rebuild you with my money so you can out compete me? Not sure that dog does hunt. Germany and Japan never paid their so called war debts last I read,

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  9. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, yes, the homes look incredible…But what’s your point here? As you know, rich Jews can be VERY liberal…..

    Mal, I’ve said that many times, I agree…..ALL OTHER COUNTRIES stick up for themselves FIRST. I honestly do NOT believe Carter or Obama did that. I believe Clinton did.
    I believe it’s a breath of fresh air for Trump to be like this but yes….you’re telling ME something he shouldn’t SAY? (Smile)
    The thing about OUR country is that WE GIVE TO OTHERS….in disasters, at the UN, overseas watching their countries with OUR military,e tc….Time to stop that, by the way. Disasters, ok…but not to countries which openly mock and disdain us.

    Bunkerville, if Germany paid its war debts AND the billions they’ve paid the Jewish victims’ families in retribution, there’d be no more Germany. Jewish families still do not pay taxes in Germany and Jews here in America still get big checks….I believe the grandchildren do not, but I’m not 100% sure. I know QVC’s biggest gold wholesaler some years ago still got a check from Germany, believe it or not. I honestly have no idea if either they or Japan have paid anything.

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  10. Kid says:

    As I remember them they are very liberal.

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  11. geeez2014 says:

    EVERYBODY:

    WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE TENT CITY IDEA OF TRUMP’S? I think it’s the ONLY way to handle this…they stay holed up, not TOO comfy but adequate….we owe them zip……and then they’re there until they’re spoken to ….if they can’t prove asylum, HOME THEY GO. NO questions ask….BY BYE!!

    HERE IS MY PROBLEM WITH IT; HOW DO YOU PROVE NEED FOR ASYLUM? THERE ARE NO RECORDS KEPT THERE, THERE IS NOTHING TO HELP OUR PEOPLE DECIDE.

    ANYBODY HAVE ANY INPUT ON THIS? Do you agree with this solution?

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  12. Kid says:

    Z, Well clinton is Mr NAFTA, and also opened up the floodgates for goods from China to the US. Hurt America badly. They love clinton over there. They even created a billy beer.

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  13. Mal says:

    You’re absolutely right, Z. Trump shouldn’t say things like that (plus a lot of other stuff, also) but like I keep sayin’ he’s a package. We get the bad with the good, and hopefully, the good will make the bad worthwhile.

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  14. Kid says:

    I believe if they refused asylum in Mexico (The did) then even our total anti-American immigration laws cannot be used to help them.

    I don’t like the tent idea unless the tents are on the Mexican side. Once they’re here, it will be too late. We’ll be stuck with them which will invite thousands upon thousands if not millions more to come.

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  15. Kid says:

    PS – Trump support 50% now. 44.3 from anti-Trump biased polls. 40% black support now.

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  16. Baysider says:

    I don’t conflate ‘nationalist’ with ‘superiority complex’ at all. I would hope and expect that people with a common border, language and culture would have a higher affinity and preference for that entity/country provided it’s generally seen as a good group. The amazing disrupter of the 19th century was how many millions wanted to come to a different place (here) and take on a new-is identity and culture, especially Europeans with some similarity in cultural background.

    The left seems hell bent on equating nationalism with ugliness so they can jump in with their solution of international unity — under their thumb, natch.

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  17. Mustang says:

    Mr. Trump can send as many of the US military to the border that he wishes. The fact is that under the law, the military is prohibited from participating in civil law matters. Now, that being the case, what will these military people do (besides spending $185-million of the DoD budget)? Well, so far, I’ve learned that they’ll be putting up tents. I have to think they could be the most expensive tents in the history of the world. They will not be any “armed” troops, and there will be no direct contact with any of the invaders.

    But let’s talk about those tents. Trump said that he does not intend to let them in to our country. If this is true, then why do we need tents? Does he plan on setting up these tents on Mexican soil? No? Then those tents will be on US soil, as will the invaders —so, Mr. Trump lied to us about that. To my way of thinking, this entire operation is getting to look like a cluster of hemorrhoids.

    My view: not ONE invader should be allowed into the USA.

    Nevertheless, if Trump intends to put up tents, they need to go up on Mexico’s territory, not ours. This plan, however, is inadequate. We must not forget how sneaky those Mexicans are. Suppose there are 10,000 Hondurans in a tent city south of Tijuana. Every day, state department employees go to the tent city and begin the arduous process of interviewing prospective applicants for political asylum (even though 99.9% of these people do not even know what political asylum is). And here’s my point: Over the next 12 to 15 months, most of those people will have found their way into the USA via the midnight express.

    So, I ask you: how is this a good plan?

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…had to trash your image, though it WAS funny. I have no need or desire to be ‘quoted’ as the “Righwing blog with that…image on it”. I’m always surprised when I see, at other blogs, people quote ME…so I know they’re watching. It’s generally not complimentary 🙂 (actually, I kinda like it…!!) But, it’s gone. And, by the way, is your hand MUCH better yet? I hope so.

    Kid and Mustang; Yes, the tents should be on the Mexican side….definitely. I’m getting a bit tired of Trump complimenting Mexico for their help. I believe it’s all after THEIR good, not ours…….but, of course, they can say they’re nationalists without impunity!
    Mustang, I Mattis has approved this military intervention…why?
    I DO think it’s a good plan IF it stays on the Mexico side. Personally, I’d just like to see the wall finally built and big signs that say CLOSED on it. Done.

    HOW WOULD THESE IMMIGRANTS PROVE THEY NEED ASYLUM, ANYWAY?

    Baysider, yes, as has been said on my post and above in comments, when people want to come, want to learn the language, have gratitude and want to work hard, ….that’s immigration at its best. What we have now isn’t it, is it.

    Kid, no president does everything right but I still think Clinton was better than Obama in being pro America. He did plenty wrong, that’s for sure, however. I SURE HOPE your stats are right…some of the Republican candidates are flagging.
    Some conservatives are saying this citizenship thing Trump just brought up was real bad timing before the midterms. Again, it appeals to his base, who’d vote for him, anyway.
    But I think it could be a plus even with Blacks…tho it did arise from Dred Scott, this today has NOTHING to do with that. Australia, India, France and a few other countries took away birth citizenship, too. Why not us?

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  19. Kid says:

    Z, Mexico did offer ALL these people Asylum, schooling, jobs, living accomodations, etc. I’d compliment that too. Trump may have to give Mexico a bad – if he is forced the close the border or some other negative for Mexico, so good cop/bad cop. good with the bad, however you wanna say it.

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  20. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, you’re right…I think that when I first heard that, I figured Mexico was bluffing , knowing that
    the Central Americans wouldn’t go for it. Maybe they did mean it.
    But who’d want to stay in Mexico if you had a good chance of getting into America?

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  21. bocopro says:

    Oh, yeah . . . the hand is back to normal. Full range of thumb motion and only minimal residual pain when I pull some kinda stupid . . . like last nite I tried to open a new jar of strawberry jelly. Tough nut to crack. Thumb put up with it for about 20 seconds, then went into full mutiny.

    Nearly peed down my leg, but once I quit tryin to imitate Superman, it shut down the “Now you’re gonna die!” messages. Hadda use a church key to break the seal on the jar so I could open it.

    Sometimes mindpower is better than machismo. Then today, of course, I got up on an extension ladder and pruned the new-growth top out of a fruit tree. Thumb is complainin ’bout that, but of course the entire BODY is, so . . . . . . .

    Wife has neither sympathy nor patience for me when I “abuse” myself, as she sees what I do to my 78-yr-old mortal coil ’cause I can’t accept the fact that I’m not 40-somethin any more. Came into the kitchen to wash off some blood from the thorns, and before I said a word, she said, “I don’t wanna hear it!”

    Betcha she’d be a lot nicer if it’d been one of the grandkritters. She thinks I oughta PAY somebody to climb up into trees and fix stuff on the roof and crawl under cars and mow the lawn and all that stuff, to which I say, “Hmmmph!” usually followed by a series of “Ouch!”s.

    Betcha it ain’t much different in this house than many others, tho.

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  22. geeez2014 says:

    Bocopro…you should have written a book…many books. I LOVE your stories! And “I don’t wanna hear it!” just cracked me up!

    Yes, ain’t much diff in your house than many others, I’m SURE 😉 Wish I still had my hubby to argue with!!

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  23. geeez2014 says:

    “Robert Mueller’s office has referred to the FBI allegations that women were “offered money to make false claims” about the special counsel, according to Mueller’s spokesman.,,

    you all hear about this yet? Just how ugly can things GET? The implication has to be that Trump folks offered money to women to accuse Mueller.
    If this is the case, we can just pack up and go home now as a country.

    I totally think this is THE MEDIA…to get Trump but GOOD. For the fact that Kavanaugh escaped sexual allegations. bastards

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  24. bocopro says:

    “you should have written a book…many books.”

    Ack shully, I have. Two very long novellas (about 65,000 words each), and at least 10 more in the 25,000 to 30,000 range.

    Prob’ly 20 short stories, a coupla short-short ones, and over a hundred poems. Maybe a hundred parodies of poems and songs.

    Countless articles. And a coupla intros and forewords to other people’s works. Very little published, tho. All added up, the money I got barely paid for mailing costs, which definitely add up after a while when you’re sendin hardcopy mss.

    As I recall, I sent AOW copies of some articles that were published in FLORIDA ENGLISH JOURNAL back when I was teaching dual enrollment classes . . . narrative threads of student bloopers woven together a la Lederer.

    I’m a compulsive writer, raconteur, sea-story narrator, and self-styled humorist. Generally put out a rant/screed/anaysis/rebuttal daily to a standard e-mail addee group. Coupla guys post ’em on Facebook or their blogs from time to time.

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  25. Bob says:

    Yes. I can avoid George Orwell’s statement that I consider to be over the top. Here is another definition of nationalism.

    nationalism (năshˈə-nə-lĭzˌəm, năshˈnə-)►
    n.
    Devotion to the interests or culture of one’s nation.
    n.
    The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
    n.
    Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

    Maybe patriotism refers to love of one’s country, but nationalism takes it a step further to state that one’s country is superior in many if not most aspects, including a nation’s culture. Trump said nothing wrong.

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  26. geeez2014 says:

    Bob, EXCELLENT input….No, Trump said NOTHING WRONG, but MAN, did it create a whirlwind of MORE insults!
    Good definitions there…nothing wrong with doing what EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRy does. Sadly, we’re the only country which teaches only the negatives about the founding of our country, its history, etc. 😦

    Bocopro, now I DO remember you’d said you’d done a lot of writing…….They should have made you rich!!!! You are THAT GOOD

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  27. Kid says:

    bocopro, there are inexpensive devices that will take lids off of just about anything. But I get ya as I’m the same way.

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  28. Kid says:

    Ok, that’s it, I’m votin for clinton in the next just so the media let’s me sleep at night.

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  29. Mal says:

    What I read a couple of days ago is after Mexico offered asylum to the marchers, they asked for that offer when they reach Mexico City. Apparently they consider being in the big city will be an advantage to them, and they’re probably right. We’ll see what happens.

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  30. Mal says:

    Bocopro, I really enjoy reading your stuff as I’m sure are many others on Z’s blog. I only hope you keep it up, buddy.

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  31. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, WELL SAID! HILARIOUS! “that’s it!” HA!!

    Mal, I can understand that….I mean what Honduran or Guatemalan wants to go from one village hole to another Mexican village hole, right? I consider Mexico City a BIGGER HOLE, I could not WAIT to get on the plane home…I remember pacing by the fancy furniture seats at the airport which were falling off their frames….I hated Mexico City. But there are SOME nice parts and MANY more higher paying jobs, I’m sure.
    Thanks for that info….it’s good stuff!

    And yes, Bocopro ROCKS, doesn’t he!!!

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  32. Sparky says:

    I’m a Christian first and foremost (I didn’t know that when the faith first started, “Christian” was considered an insult. Imagine that.). I’ll say I’m a follower of The Way, Jesus Christ our LORD. Somewhere in God’s Holy Word He tells us to love our Country, you know, whichever Country He’s had you born into. Wish I could find that verse. It’s Old Testament, I believe. Anyway, guess I’d also have to say I’m a “patriotic nationalist” like Bocopro stated. So, no, I don’t think it’s wrong for the President of the United States to say he’s a Nationalist. He believes in our culture and values, which are superior to other countries. It’s nice to have a true American in that seat now. That’s my two cents. 🙂

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  33. Mal says:

    I like your “two cents”, Sparky!

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  34. Mal says:

    Oh! And Sparky, when you said somewhere in the Bible God tells us to love our country, by chance were you thinking about when Jesus asked a man whose picture was on the gold coin the man was holding (Caesars) and to render unto Caesar what is Caesars?

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  35. Sparky says:

    Hi Mal, No, I think it’s somewhere in the “old” testament? This is what happens when I don’t read His Word enough. *lol* I’ll look it up. Thanks! Have a blessed day.

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  36. Mal says:

    OIC. Well, I can’t help ya either, ’cause I’m also guilty about readin’ the writin’!

    ;o)

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  37. Of the labels I identify with, Christian is the most important. I’ve always identified myself as a nationalist, in the sense of being an American. Of course the leftists try to categorize that as a bad thing by referring to us as white nationalists. Now that is correct in the sense that being white is an inherent characteristic. But the connotation should stop there. Being in love with one’s country is a good thing. Trump has explained himself on numerous occasions. He is the POTUS and as such does the bidding of his country first. If he worked first for other countries he’d be a globalist. That would be sellout of his own country. Globalism is a world scourge that has caused the US to become the world’s policeman. As Trump has done, it’s about the US allied out rest of the world to take on responsibility for their own defense. I have always had deep suspicion about neo-cons and social justice warriors. Too much government from both.

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  38. Kid says:

    Hey Teach. I took a phone version YouGov poll on Friday. 45% are pro-globalist, 40% not, and 14% not sure.
    Women are 47% for 33% against. Democrats are 79% for it 5% against. 1655 responses. I don’t discount the low number of responders though. I think it could have been 300 million responses and had the same results.

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