IRAN AND TRUMP

SAUDI ARABIA IS AS RICH A COUNTRY AS IT PROBABLY GETS.   WE ARE GOING TO DO THEIR DIRTY WORK, RETALIATE FOR BOMBINGS ON THEM?

WE COULD BE IN A NUCLEAR BATTLE WITH IRAN?   WILL WE BE HIT HERE BECAUSE SAUDI ARABIA GOT HIT?  HAS IT BECOME SO FINANCIALLY HARD IN IRAN DUE TO SANCTIONS THAT THE MULLAHS FIGURE IT’S TIME TO TAKE THE WHOLE WORLD TO MEET ALLAH?   TRUMP CAN’T DECLARE A WAR WITHOUT CONGRESS.  WILL HE GET AROUND THAT?  WILL HE JUST BOMB AND SAY IT’S NOT REALLY A WAR?

ARE WE CRAZY?   YOU TELL ME…AND WHY, PLEASE, YOU FEEL AS YOU DO!

 

Thanks!  Z

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23 Responses to IRAN AND TRUMP

  1. bocopro says:

    The basic philosophy of Saudi fundamentalism is that human males are so utterly incapable of controlling themselves where women are concerned that the sexes must be separated by physical distance, religious dogma, obscuring shrouds, and mindless suspicion.

    Ethics, morals, and values in Saudi Arabia are so alien to the American mindset that for us to deal with them reasonably would be like arranging table settings for a pack of hyenas at an antelope road kill.

    Saudis are the epitome of flashing teeth and flashing knives. They’ll smile while slitting your throat and justify it by your being an unclean infidel. Where we honor integrity, honesty, friendship, and justice, they promote deceit, deception, dishonor, and greed.

    Saudi Arabia is a fervid supporter and mass exporter of Wahhabism, aka religious extremism, intolerance, and misogyny. It is a puritanical zealot which believes all things, including friendship and loyalty, can be purchased with oil Riyals. It is the classic “My way or the Hi-way” state governed by a corrupt, damaged, incestuous “royal” mob.

    Planet earth would be a far better place if Riyadh, Mecca, Cairo, Tehran, Qom, Islamabad, Peshawar, and Ankara followed the example of Carthage, as in Cato’s “Carthago delenda est.”

    For us to believe they will ever consider us “friends” or that we can trust them socially, economically, culturally, or philosophically is indeed insane. No other nation states are as untrustworthy as Saudi Arabia – except, of course, the equally loony Iran and the psychotic NorKor, and a few in sub-Saharan Africa, and China, and most of Central America . . . and I’m not too sure about Indonesia.

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  2. I don’t know what the answer is to Saudi Arabia or Islam, in general. They inflict misery, suffering, violence & subjugation wherever they are in control. The HATE is impossible for mere mortals to change. For this we must turn to God & pray for miracles.

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    “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

    ― Winston Churchill, The River War

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  3. I hope we don’t have to go to war against Iran. We’ve sacrificed too many American lives and wasted far too much money trying to bring peace to the Middle East. I think Saudi Arabia should fight their own battles, sacrifice and PAY for it themselves.

    The only time Saudi Arabia acts friendly to us is when they need us to fight for & protect them. They seize every opportunity to screw us over when they’re not being threatened.

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  4. geeez2014 says:

    BOcopro…right…and our biggest mistake is thinking all people think like we do……and we keep doing that; it’s like poor Trump believing ‘love letters’ to him from Xi and Kim and saying how good they are to their people and blah blah……THEY DO NOT LIKE HIM! They are SMART and CUNNING and are playing our media against him, too. Their letters say one thing, their actions, sometimes a day after the letter, are quite different. HELLO??

    Back to MUSLIMS: As my Uber driver, an Armenian from Iran, said to me the other day to my question “Did you trust Muslims when you lived in Iran? Many people won’t trust them at all, surely some are nice…” He said “I haven’t met one yet who is trustworthy….not ONE.”
    He went on to discuss something I’d suspected for a long time:

    I said “What about the Christian Muslims?” He said they ‘convert’ because they can get papers to get the heck OUT of Iran or other Muslim countries easier….that they’re really NOT converting.

    I personally have a Persian woman in my Bible Study group who is from Iran and is more Christian than maybe all of us rolled together….I believe her family was Muslim, but she and her husband and very modern four sons who live here are NOT….they’re actors, great guys.

    SO, yes, there are many exceptions but not that many in Iran, according to him!

    Fairest Witness…Totally agree…and love Churchill’s words…..so sad. No Saudis can’t be trusted and you should have heard MR Z ON SAUDI ARABIANS!!! He just couldn’t believe how WE helped them dig THEIR OIL up and then THEY SCREW US $$$

    I hope we don’t go to war, either…….LET SAUDIS LOSE MONEY AND YOUNG PEOPLE…..we owe them NOTHING.

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  5. geeez2014 says:

    COKIE ROBERTS HAS DIED AT 75….sad.

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  6. Kid says:

    I have no idea why we suppoprt Saudi Arabia. Never have. Maybe we needed oil that bad at one time when we built the infrastructure but we sure don’t now.

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  7. geeez2014 says:

    By the way, did you hear a Middle School teacher in North Carolina told her class that Mike Pence should be shot in the head?   The article says  it has “caused controversy”…”CONTROVERSY?”  That’s IT???  And nearly every article says the teacher “allegedly” did this…I’m thinking if students heard it, it’s not alleged anymore.

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  8. Bob says:

    It’s nice to be up nice and early at 11:00 AM to read Z and faithful commenters. It’s a lot of fun and thought provoking at the same time.

    As usual, Bocopro turns on his magic fingers and articulates things is ways only he can. I looked up the phrase, “Carthago delenda est”, even going back to my first year Latin lessons to learn the obvious, that Carthage is to be destroyed (ended?). In this case I would like to say “Persia delenda erit” , Persia shall be ended. How about the song-worthy, Bomb Iran?

    Fair Witness chimes in with a Churchill quote, “The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. ” Islam delenda erit!

    Z: My wife and I used to really like Cokie Roberts. However, at some point she went to the dark side and her opinions became less penetrating and more progressively dogmatic. Her day was Hele Boggs, (D) Louisiana, and she was steeped in the dogma of the church of the liberal mind from childhood.

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  9. Bob says:

    OOPS! Cokie’s dad was Hale Boggs. Not Hele…

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  10. MAL says:

    Well, like Kid pointed out, we did the original drilling in the Middle East, but I’m wondering if we would’ve had we known what it would lead to. If we hadn’t, eventually someone else undoubtedly would’ve.
    Oil moves the entire world economy. When the price of crude was pretty stable at $2 / barrel, the prices of everything was stable. In April, 1973, they created a “shortage” until they raised the price to $10 / barrel, then another “shortage” again in 1978. Remember the long gas lines at the stations? The prices of everything, from homes, food, utilities, etc. rose along with oil because everybody is impacted by gas. Even if we went completely solar, we would still need oil byproducts for asphalt paving, plastic, etc.
    The Muslims all know this and use it to their advantage. Trump is doing the right thing. If he doesn’t, who else will? It should never have gotten to this point and been addressed long ago.
    Will we end up in a war? We sure hope not, but more than oil is involved. Religion is, too, if you want to call what they believe in a religion.

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  11. Law and Order Teacher says:

    We are energy independent. The hell with SA. stay away from the ME cesspool. We have lost too many already.. Enough is enough. Sell Israel weapons and let defend themselves. They’re fearless. Let Iran, SA, Syria, Iraq, and the rest, go up in smoke. Good riddens.

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  12. geeez2014 says:

    Kid…Trump says he’s made us not dependent on Saudi oil anymore…you’re right, we needed it at one time. No reason to protect THEM now…that was part of the reason we GOT energy efficient! 🙂

    Bob, I saw you were up early 🙂 Cokie was also married to liberal Steve Roberts; I don’t remember her not being liberal but she was at least sane…

    Mal and L&OT….Yes, we needed their oil badly at one time and yes, we financed their drilling…this is why my Mr. Z used to say SO OFTEN “WE got them their oil, now they’re completely messing with us as they’re so rich they can’t even count it..” He was NO FAN.

    I think Mal has a point….Iran’s just ASKING for it, but I honestly find myself questioning Trump’s intel or his interpretation of it anymore, sadly, and I’m not sure HOW we’ll know IRAN FINANCED THE YEMENI DRONES.
    If it is Iran (and I’m sure Yemen hasn’t the money, though they say these drones aren’t THAT Pricey, then what?

    What if they continue hitting the oil hard? What if they hit US? I don’t want war, FOR SURE, but I sure don’t want our East Coast hit…………and yet, our Leftwingers will believe Iran ANY DAY over Trump…they’ll freak OUT if he hits them unless he shows absolute proof IN WRITING.

    One of OUR biggest problems now is our media hates America so much they’ll do anything but support it, believe it, be truthful about it….that’s REALLY SCARY.

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  13. Mustang says:

    A few things to remember (from time to time)

    • The Middle East is a sewer, has always been a sewer, and will always be a sewer.
    • There is no place in the Middle East that is suitable for having a war.
    • Semites have been at each other’s throats for thousands of years. There is nothing we could do, or should do, to change that.
    • It might have been a good idea, if the USA was going to develop autonomous weapons, to keep them a secret. It will not serve America’s interests if some third-world cesspool ends up using our technology against us.
    • The Saudis did not do enough thinking before they mired themselves in Yemeni affairs. And, by the way, the Saudis are also behind the civil war in Syria. Perhaps now, with their oil fields ablaze, they’ve gotten their comeuppance.
    • I know a Marine who served as a military advisor to the Saudis. He has nothing good to say about these people, which tends to reinforce my own beliefs.
    • If there is one thing we ought not forget, it is that the Saudis were behind the attacks on 9/11. Beyond their oil production, to hell with them.

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  14. -FJ says:

    I’ve got no problem playing Saudi Air Force and bombing Iran back to the stone ageon condition that the Saudi’s and Paki’s kick in 1,000,000 ground troops and finish the job that Sadam Hussein was too big a pussy to finish.

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  15. -FJ says:

    Arabs killing Arabs… it’s win-win.

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  16. geeez2014 says:

    Mustang:
    “• There is no place in the Middle East that is suitable for having a war.”
    ????

    You know Mr. Z used to say to build a wall around Arab countries and let them duke it out…all gone, like FJ suggests!! win/win

    I have to say I’m not a Saudi fan…never was, never will be……I don’t care WHAT happens to these creeps. And I don’t think Trump should be fighting FOR THEM. Screw them

    oops 🙂

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  17. geeez2014 says:

    Why the HECK does Trump have to weigh in on Cokie Roberts’ death in a negative way? “She never treated me well”….ya, well, she’s DEAD, maybe you can let that go and say what that creep Obama said instead? Ya, she treated HIM well, count on it, but REALLY???

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    Hoping Cokie doesn’t have a daughter like Meghan McCain…because the media’s LOVING what he said …”TRUMP WEIGHS IN ON …” Oh, ya….just great. Millions of voters , particularly women, are REAL thrilled.

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  19. MAL says:

    All the suggestions saying we are energy independent now and the heck with them won’t work, either, because they still want to wipe us off the map. Its about more than oil. Its also about religion. War is all they understand so maybe we need to use drones on them, too?
    Lets design an Army of Robots to go after the towel heads! ;o)

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  20. geeez2014 says:

    Mal, but to stand up for SAUDIS, with OUR money and OUR precious kids in uniform? NO WAY.
    If we’re going to fight, it’ll be for OUR VALUES HERE, we’ll never give THEM any values…but we have to fight against Islam HERE….
    Yes, they want us islamic or dead….You’re so right about that.

    Let’s see if we can drop an MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) via DRONE!!!

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  21. MAL says:

    WE NEED AN ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE SAUDIS SEEMED BEST SUITED, Z.

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  22. geeez2014 says:

    Mal, right “seemED” being the operative tense!! Do you remember Chris and Alice Yaldezian? Her funeral was today…I think she was about 94…Mom went.

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  23. MAL says:

    Yes. I remember them. Chris and his twin brother John.
    I’s sorry to hear of her death. But hey! 94? Not too shabby, right?
    I hope we all make it there

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