How is it EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ARE UP when so many aren’t working in so many cities?  Waitresses, chefs, bartenders, shop workers,  janitors, teaching assistants, many companies furloughing employees from no more work to only 2 days a week, etc etc ETC etc.   And JOB NUMBERS ARE UP?

And, with SO much retail space closing forever, and office managers deciding it’s going pretty well with employees working from home and leaving rental space, and businesses closed, and all of that, GDP was higher than EVER this quarter?

HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?  I’m thrilled about boy stats but curious….HOW??


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37 Responses to PLEASE FILL ME IN ON THIS>>>>>

  1. peter3nj says:

    Numbers don’t lie, people lie. Personally I know of no one in my circle out of work successfully finding a job. My niece , an ER RN, worked overtime during the COVID glory days, was laid off two months ago still looking for a position; go figure.


  2. Geez, Peter. I thought Covid had packed the ERs again according to my governess.


  3. Manufacturing jobs are back up. Actual labor shortage.


  4. kidme37 says:

    It was a case of 18 steps back and 5 steps forward in the 3rd Qtr. Net the jobs are still down from when NOVID was introduced.

    I like the part where government positions fell by a bunch.


  5. Mustang says:

    About 244 years ago, a mad scientist developed an almost invisible serum and, when no one was looking, released it into Congress’s chambers. It infected everyone, of course, and became part of their DNA — since then passed down to all succeeding generations of politicians. What the serum did was make them stupid. We know this from the first-hand account of Bocopro, who was alive back then. What I’m waiting for now is another mad scientist to release an anti-stupid serum inside the entire federal bureaucracy. Of course, such a serum will be toxic, masks won’t protect anyone, and millions of government bureaucrats will die — but I fail to see how that would be a bad thing.


  6. bocopro says:

    “[. . .] who was alive back then.”

    Is that to imply that I no longer am?

    Of course you may be right . . . for about 4 days now I’ve been in the grips of sudden onset arthritis in my cervical vertebrae. Haven’t been able to find a restful position for sleeping and am getting very tired of being tired.

    Nothin seemed to work for relief . . . voltaren, aspirin, lidocaine patches, nothin. Then my daughter (who was a Navy corpsman in her earlier years) insisted I go with 800 mg ibuprofen.

    Stuff actually worked. Got the pain and immobility down to manageable levels. Naturally the stuff is gleefully deconstructing my kidneys and liver, but at least I got a few hours’ sleep last nite.

    Kinda feel like I’ve been doin this for the entire weekend:


  7. geeez2014 says:

    OK, so everybody but Ed thinks Trump is lying about the HIGH EMPLOYMENT numbers?

    Actually, there are apparently more going into the hospital with COVID now with this spike; it only makes sense that such high numbers would precipitate SOME higher near-mortality(hospitalization) or actual mortality.

    Kid, that kind of makes sense, that numbers are up after what we all know about SO many people losing their jobs, but not as UP as it’s made to SOUND. “yes” on the gov’t jobs!!!

    Peter, I’m sorry to hear that…I think of all the wonderful waiters at my favorite restaurants not working and how they’re making out 😦
    Then there are dishwashers, bartenders, food suppliers, and that’s only in the restaurant business!!

    I’m most afraid for real estate…SO many companies like their people working from home now and I’m hearing about companies leaving office space….Not good for the building and terrible for the employees now not having the daily social interaction; THAT is really dangerous.


  8. geeez2014 says:

    MUSTANG: Not a bad thing, no!! GET THE SERUM!!

    BOCOPRO…glad the meds are helping. I’m in agony, too, but lying down and sitting helps….sadly, mine’s not muscles ;-( GOOD LUCK!!! I don’t sleep well, anyway, so that’s my normal.


  9. geeez2014 says:

    I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, FOLKS; I’ve always wanted to ask this and finally remembered: Off topic:


    MANY SAY THAT’S STUPID. Am I missing something? He’s not saying testing CREATES COvid cases, he’s saying when we test more, it’s clear we’re going to be aware of MORE positives.

    Yet, even Conservatives I know laugh at it…..’Trump said Testing shows more cases!”

    HOW IS THAT NOT TRUE and WHY IS IT Hate-Trump-WorthY???


  10. jean worland says:

    Z, your point about employees not having daily social interaction is proven by the number of suicides and murders that have gone up. Also, think of little children not going to schools so that teachers who are required to report any sexual, physical abuse are not available to these little ones now! Sigh!


  11. geeez2014 says:

    Jean, that’s right….and many poorer children aren’t getting nutrition; imagine a country like ours where the only good meals they might get are at school?

    I’m very worried about the social thing for kids …I’m cheered by the fact that parents are apparently waking up to the indoctrination many kids have been exposed to by our teachers and are taking some schools to task.
    I hear young parents talking about how their kids just aren’t learning now….the virtual thing just isn’t working…doesn’t keep them interested, gives them little time off that screen, etc….scary.


  12. bunkerville says:

    The government gets its stats from sending out letters to who knows how many folks and asks them the questions..Some years ago I got the survey from the government and didn’t make much of it.. Was I working.. how many hours… would I like to work more… so on and so on… I thought it too personal so I set it aside. Long story short I was threatened to be jailed if I didn’t answer the questions… this after a “visit” from a government official…..


  13. geeez2014 says:

    ED, how is it that manufacturing jobs are UP? Do we know why?
    May be a nice time to set up some training centers…oh, wait! it’s COVID, nobody can be NEAR anybody !! (GEEEEEZ!!)

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  14. skudrunner says:

    I see far more hiring signs than i see closed signs. If you have limited skills your employment options are slim but if you have skills you have no problem finding work. In many instances food service is part time and don’t show up in employment numbers and they are the ones most affected. Tradesmen are in short supply most places so no shortage there as are most skilled professions.
    There is a lot of disincentive to work when unemployment pays as much or more than working, much like welfare. The party of hate is pushing for more money to be thrown around so the lazy voters are rewarded for their votes.

    January 21st this will all be over because basement joey has a plan.


  15. geeez2014 says:

    Skudrunner…that REALLY is good info…thanks…
    ED’s point makes more sense to me now, too…..So food services don’t show much? I suppose even those I think are full time may have only just enough hours to be considered part time…makes sense.
    I don’t see any HIRING signs here in West LA, but there’s no manufacturing, etc., around here…it’s mostly stores or office work…

    Yes, we all know about disincentives for sure….it’s a winner for votes, isn’t it!


  16. kidme37 says:

    “but not as UP as it’s made to SOUND.” But of course Mademoiselle..


  17. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, but I don’t see Trump lying…maybe that’s just my optimism…HE’s the one constantly saying EMPLOYMENT IS UP!


  18. bunkerville says:

    As I said it means nothing…..only as the respondents answer the questions.. I lied I was so angry about it….Obama was in and I wanted a lower employment number…. I could have said I was in manufacturing etc….it was all up to me… end of story.

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  19. geeez2014 says:

    I just love Joe Concha.

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  20. BoCo: Naproxen Sulfate. Generic for Advil. Works wonders. Twice daily.

    Joe Concha was great on Levin last night.

    Of course more testing shows more cases. I don’t believe Hospitals are swamped either.
    They’re up, but not following the number of cases.


  21. geeez2014 says:

    ED, you’re absolutely RIGHT on the hospitalizations…they’re not up ANYWHERE near the amount at first, when we didn’t know quite what to do about COVID…I’m thinking a TON more people were told to go to the hospital back then, aren’t you? My doc told me “Whatever you do, let me know…do NOT go to the hospital if you think you have symptoms unless you can’t BREATHE.” And treatments are far better.

    Joe Concha is ALWAYS great…..

    BUNKERVILLE…Don’t know HOW I missed your first comment…that is FASCINATING…you were ASKED? i’m glad you lied…GOOD GIRL 🙂


  22. bocopro says:

    One of the docs who treated me before when the sudden-onset arthritis kicked in noticed bruising on my arms. He said that condition could be exacerbated by naproxen, so he went with the Voltaren external treatment instead. The other doc went with lidocaine patches for the same reason since the first guy made a note about it in my record.

    Apparently naproxen causes subcutaneous bleeding in some people once they reach a certain age. In my case, years of sun damage have reduced the subcutaneous collagen and adipose from my dermal layer, making my epidermis like onionskin and allowing bleeding under the skin for no particular reason.


  23. kidme37 says:

    Z, well, employment is up, relative to when? Rhetorical. This is how government performance numbers are reported. If DJT changes that, then people don’t understand. Generally, honesty from the government would not be believed by most people. Completely out of recognized reporting parameters.

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  24. MAL says:

    No one is mentioning the common denominator here is China. China is responsible for COVID-19, the death of millions worldwide, economic disasters, and Trump’s loss. They’ve been playing a shrewd game of cat-and-mouse for decades, even at the expense of their own people via slave labor. This includes the creation of an island in the South China Seas and declaring territorial waters, despite protests from the surrounding island countries.
    Now, according to a sponsor in Newsmax that sells gold, China is issuing gold backed currency called “digital yuan” that thus far has had 3.13 million transactions worth 1.1 billion Juan.
    They claim 8 countries have dropped using the U.S. Dollar to buy the new Gold backed Chinese currency: Russia, Saudi Arabia, Angola, Iraq, Iran, Brazil, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates. Now…….connect the dots from Biden to China…………..

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  25. MAL says:


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  26. Baysider says:

    More testing = more cases. Cases are not infections. Cases are not sick people. Cases are people with some fragment of some type of coronavirus – NOT necessarily Covid and not necessarily live.

    Depending on the sensitivity at which the test is calibrated, a test will register a ‘positive’ for someone who had a cold, or close to it. How often does that happen? Hard to know. Amplification over 35 cycles is considered unreliable and scientifically unjustified. Many labs use 45 cycles. This amplifies any tiny sequence of viral DNA that might be present to the point that the test reads “positive” even if the viral load is extremely low or the virus is inactive.

    “PCR tests cannot distinguish between inactive viruses and “live” or reproductive ones. What that means is that PCR tests cannot detect infection. Period. It cannot tell you whether you’re currently ill, whether you’ll develop symptoms in the near future, or whether you’re contagious.

    The tests may pick up dead debris or inactive viral particles that pose no risk whatsoever to the patient and others. What’s more, the test can pick up the presence of other coronaviruses, so a positive result may simply indicate that you’ve recuperated from a common cold in the past.

    An “infection” is when a virus penetrates into a cell and replicates. As the virus multiplies, symptoms set in. A person is only infectious if the virus is actually replicating. As long as the virus is inactive and not replicating, it’s completely harmless both to the host and others.”

    “Dr. Mike Yeadon, former vice president and scientific director of Pfizer, has even gone on record here stating that false positive results from unreliable PCR tests are being used to “manufacture a ‘second wave’ based on ‘new cases.'”

    Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste

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  27. Baysider says:

    On screen options for learning can be fabulous …. as a supplement to in person gatherings. You can build less square footage and funnel scarce dollars into specialty spaces like theaters and labs, especially in higher education. There is no reason to not participate online selectively. But every reason to not park poor little Johnny there 5 hours a day! That’s cruel and mind numbing. (Not to mention the districts that send computers home with children and then use them to spy on the children.)

    I personally believe that young children spend too much time “in school” when much of the subject matter can be covered in less time, especially as some of the material should not be covered at all. It bows to the convenience working parents need and indoctrinators relish to have little minds captive any place for a long period. The fact that indoctrinators have rebelled against parents being present for online classes is a big, fat red alert.

    On the other end of the spectrum “unschooling” parents find their kids get a lot of socialization, both with adults and other children in real world interactions they believe are superior to the artificial establishment education flocks. One size does not fit all. The balance is meeting a broad public interest in basic+ standards of functioning so adults know how to think, can navigate their world, execute contracts, handle their finances, and share a common favorable view about the country and responsibilities as citizens.

    Happy to hear Bunk’s story. 🙂


  28. Baysider: I read that Elon Musk tested 4 times the same day, same nurse, same test.
    Two positive, two negative

    BoCoPro: That’s odd. naproxen is sort of super-motrin.

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  29. kidme37 says:

    I’m reading where people are testing positive in one nostril and negative in the other.

    Even more stupid is that the Moderna vaccine and the Pfizer vaccines are claiming 90% effective, however, the recovery rate for Novid is well over 90.something %. What’s the point? Maybe restrict it to the most vulnerable, but Noooooo, they want everyone to have it. I’m not.

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  30. MAL says:

    Well, 90% of the most vulnerable IS a BIG improvement, Kid, if thats what they mean. However, if its 90% of the populace as a whole……no. Personally, I believe we’ll take wait and see approach. Probably most folks plan on doing so. “After you”. ;o)

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  31. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER< thanks…my point is WHATEVER the tests show, positive or negative, without TESTS, neither shows. For people to suggest Trump was saying "Testing creates virus" is NUTS….and that's what they said when he said "More testing shows more cases…" (albeit whether your information you've found proves that to be real cases or whatever)…

    Kid and Mal; Yes, each nostril different…and Musk apparently DID prove pos and neg…..

    I believe all this information you've all found is fascinating and much is probably the case…..and COVID symptoms can be (can) be very close to the common cold…all SARS viruses, I believe…? …anyway, if you do have COVID, as my doc said "You'll know it"…unless you're 22 and don't feel anything, which is also VERY common; more common than being very sick.
    SO, we can be assured that most positives in those over 35 or 40 are COVID… And we can be assured that some people would just think they had a cold if they didn't test….which is another confirmation that what Trump said was true.

    I just couldn't understand the nasty jokes/cartoons *and there were TONS of them, about HOW STUPID CAN TRUMP BE, MORE TESTING DOESN"T MEAN MORE VIRUS!" Sure, testing doesn't BRING on virus but if we didn't test, who'd know?
    Ugh. whatever.

    MAL…OUTRAGE? Where's there even DISCUSSION of institutions dropping the Dollar for the Yen? That's IS outrageous. And hideously important, in my opinion.
    We have to realize our media's made Trump look stupid and overbearing and foreign media's picked up on it…and they have become anti America …on the flip side, I believe China understands Trump is NOT stupid AT ALL and his overbearing personality almost had them stymied, were it not for the COVID virus plan they had working so well for China.


  32. kidme37 says:

    Mal, Not sure what you mean, but I understand the over 99% recovery rate to be all people.
    One might argue that everyone should get the vaccine, but why. If you’re vulnerable by age or health get it, then who can give it to you? I recently got the shingles and pneumonia vaccines because over 65. The logic for that seems valid. Why get it if you don’t need it, and do Ins companies want to pay for it for people not in danger? No.

    The difference between these two is the contagion factor but I think the logic for when to get it is still valid.


  33. MAL says:

    Kid, what I meant was, the odds are greatly increased for the elderly, so a 90% survival rate for us would be a whole lot better than without the vaccine. I haven’t heard any odds for us right now but know the odd for dying from it must be a whole lot greater than 10% just from what happened in those N.Y. assisted living homes. Thats what I meant. However, I’m with you about taking it right away. i believe we’ll pass till we’ve seen a little more evidence.


  34. geeez2014 says:

    Mal and Kid, while some elderly get through it, many do not…the older, the worst, in most cases….Yes, odds of dying from COVID for older folks are MUCH higher than for the less old.
    Vaccine is better in this case….hence, why they’re offering it first to elderly and healthcare workers. I’m sure not thrilled about being one of the early wave….no way. Although when you test 15,000, which one pharma company has, that’s pretty good evidence it’s safe.


  35. peter3nj says:

    Just so you know I’m not BS ing, she was at St Barnabas Hospital in Livingston, NJ. She was among four RN’s furloughed….go figure. Maybe with Covid up but less deaths and fewer bodies to wash for the morgue less hands on deck are needed. Who knows?


  36. MAL says:

    Even with 15,000 already tested, we’re still a bit “gun shy and goosey” about taking it, but we’ll probably do so when advised by our docs ’cause we’re obedient old farts!


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