Thanksgiving and Squanto

SQUANTO’s story is HERE,……..but the real story is as I’ve outlined below:

An Indian on North American shores, in 1614, was kidnapped and taken to England.  What are the chances?
This Indian learns English there.  What are the chances?
This Indian gets taken back to North America exactly where Pilgrims had recently arrived. What are the chances?
This Indian helps them survive by teaching them, in English, how to survive, grow corn, etc. What are the chances?

The chances just might be blessings, divine providence.  Imagine how much the Pilgrims needed Squanto just to survive?  Who else could have helped them?  How could this whole chain of events in Squanto’s life have worked so perfectly for America?

Here is one of the only two primary sources for the events of Autumn 1621 in Plymouth, a letter written by Edward Winslow:

“Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together, after we had gathered the fruits of our labors; they four in one day killed as much fowl, as with a little help beside, served the Company almost a week, at which time amongst other Recreations, we exercised our Arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and amongst the rest their greatest kind Massasoit, with some  ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five Deer, which they brought to the Plantation and bestowed on our Governor, and upon the Captain and others.  And although it be not always so plentiful, as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want, that we often wish you partakers of our plenty.”

Seem to me it was all about GOD, thanking GOD, and the more we thank, the more He seems to supply, even today!.…but, sadly, today we’re so cool it’s become TURKEY DAY….Yes, Wikipedia, it’s “a time to give thanks for a bountiful harvest”…to whom?  To the corn stalks?  Ah, well…..

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL GEEEEZ READERS…….I wish you a very beautiful day of thanksgiving.to God, or to the corn stalks, which ever you feel moved to do.  I’ll be thanking God for this great country, for my family, friends, and all of you cyberspace friends so many of whom I’ve come to have really great affection and respect for.  (And I’ll be eating great food, even if it’s just me and a friend versus the 35 usually at my uncle and aunt’s home in  Bel Air!. I hope you do, too!) By the way, I’m very thankful to all of you who support this blog, too. I really, really appreciate you all.

God bless you all, and GOD BLESS AMERICA………….

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44 Responses to Thanksgiving and Squanto

  1. The chances just might be blessings, divine providence.

    I’ve long thought that what happened to and with Squanto as a miracle. Or call it Providence — still, a miracle in my book.

    Happy Thanksgiving, Z, and to all others here at your blog.

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  2. peter3nj says:

    While we celebrate and wish good cheer to all on Thanksgiving might we keep in mind …
    Black Friday Matters 😂 (no, I’m not going shopping)

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  3. kidme37 says:

    Have a great Thanksgiving time Z.

    Squanto:
    Well, the only show I’ve been watching on TV is on the History Channel, Tuesday at 9 pm, or on demand, is The Curse of Oak Island. It’s a small island in Nova Scotia where it is said that treasure is buried by visitors between the late 1600’s and early 1700’s. Much evidence has been found to support that British military, pirates, and even the Knights Templar were there and very active during the time great events were happening around the world. Briefly, for example, they’ve found large wooden structures of very large and heavy hand square cut timbers assembled into structures 170 feet down. They found these by drilling, not excavating, as even with modern equipment that can be used on the island, it is extremely difficult and expensive to go down that far. Dangerous as well due to cave ins which occur easily when digging down into the Earth. Various objects such as coins, tools, an iron cross believed to be from the Knights Templar, and other items are easily dated to this period in time and many items places of origination determined by experts in the various related fields.

    The point being that the pilgrims didn’t need any help from natives to do anything, let alone survive in a new land by hunting and farming and building shelters, so I believe the Squanto story has a somewhat anti-American agenda behind it or is simply the imagination of someone of very limited intelligence.

    Well, 55 degrees and I’ll be working on putting up a new backyard shed today and tomorrow.

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  4. peter3nj says:

    Kid-It’s Thanksgiving Day so are you can put up that shed without help from our indigenous people?

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  5. kidme37 says:

    Peter, Well, my wife is Chinese. (I don’t know what that means either)

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  6. bunkerville says:

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving Z… Best wishes… 🙂

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  7. The Mayflower passengers arrived in “the wrong place” (it appears that Providence had His hand in that also), unprepared for the situation they would find themselves in.
    They were not military men hardened for survival.
    They prayed for help. God answered with the last thing they expected. He’s like that.
    More here.
    https://youramericanheritage.blogspot.com/2020/11/thanksgiving-in-america.html

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  8. And part of the reason they almost all died was that they were socialists. They learned.
    Governor Bradford was their Trump, pulling them out of socialism into prosperity.

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  9. geeez2014 says:

    KID “The point being that the pilgrims didn’t need any help from natives to do anything, let alone survive in a new land by hunting and farming and building shelters, so I believe the Squanto story has a somewhat anti-American agenda behind it or is simply the imagination of someone of very limited intelligence.”

    WOW! I’ve never considered myself remotely of limited intelligence, and I have printed this every Thanksgiving Day and had lovely responses at the way the location was just right, that Squanto would survive all those trips and have learned English to help the Pilgrims in a particularly awful snowy year…So your opinion of the whole thing was surprising. I wrote a huge long comment back to you and decided I’d delete it.
    Make sure you don’t peek at the directions on that shed…..You probably don’t need help.

    Have a great day

    By the wsay, You know my friend produces Oak Island…did you know Kevin, the brain behind the show, suddenly died about a month ago?

    ALL: Are we really suggesting it would have been a weakness for the Pilgrims to ‘NEED” help in a country whose climate and soil and everything else was so different than theirs, in a pursuit they’d not been familiar with…farming, building, etc?

    ED…and how were they socialists? Because they worked together for the common good?

    AOW…thanks, I really love this story….

    BUnkerville..the same to you!

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  10. kidme37 says:

    Z, Sorry my comment was taken as such a wet blanket. I just can’t and won’t believe the pilgrims were as helpless as the story suggests. There are many examples such as the Vikings arriving and surviving quite well in Greenland on their own way back when before the ice came in and drove them out. Many more examples. If Squanto was there, great, but the pilgrims wouldn’t have needed it.

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  11. peter3 says:

    Kid-My wife is Colombian and I could sit back with a Corona – the adult beverage- while she built the shed while 💃🏿 to Cumbria rhythms.Thank God for our wives…

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  12. kidme37 says:

    Peter, You know it. I did Ok as a bachelor for 36 years (shoulda went 46) but there is much to be thankful for with Madeline. Takes very good care of me and me her.

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  13. geeez2014 says:

    ED….I see this is a discussed subject; Pilgrims and Socialism
    I found this silly, personally:;https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/24/socialism-failed-miserably-for-the-american-pilgrims-just-like-it-does-everywhere/

    They’re limited manpower just because of sheer low numbers and a particularly bad winter they knew nothing about…they’re trying to SURVIVE, and they’re supposed to just farm their little bit of land and say “AND YOU CAN’T HAVE ANY!”? “GO GET YOUR OWN?”
    Ya, Conservative ‘experts’ can call it the PERILS OF SOCIALISM but I look at it as early days of working together to help the people survive until private lands, etc., could be achieved safely!!!

    KID, there’re are too many articles of how bad that winter Squanto showed up was to link them here….saying they’d probably not have made it. But, whatever!
    I’ll always look at it as a miracle that he’d be picked up….survive long ocean trips in those days, learn English!, and then get dropped off at the perfect place.
    I don’t look at it as an illegal who somehow got through Trump’s wall and started living on us.
    I don’t see it as showing weakness.
    I see it as God’s providence.

    PETER…YOU leave your wife alone and make your darned SHED yourself!!! HAA! 🙂 My Brazilian student for 18 months was actually from Colombia; I adore him and his family.

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  14. kidme37 says:

    Ok Z, no argument here. I amazed at what I find out about the goings on in the 11400, 1500, 1600, 1700s and even back to the 1200’s, and mainly thought I’d pass some of that on. Still don’t see people huddled in the snow waiting for someone to come along and save them, but Not telling anyone what to think either.

    Yes, I will read the directions for the engineered modular resin based shed, but if I was making it myself out of wood, there’d be no directions and no problems (smiley)

    Peter, I get a vision of that Chiquita banana girl dancing.

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  15. geeez2014 says:

    Kid, just takes a google or two to find out how bad that particular winter was and how desperate they were. Big difference between ‘huddled in the snow’ and ‘Gad, we really could use some help; when the heck DO we plant those seeds when the snow’s this deep?” (obviously, I’m no farmer, but neither were they when they came)
    ANyway, I’ve always published Squanto’s story on Thanksgiving and it’s been enjoyed.
    SO….I think our ethos these days is taking a little from enjoyment of ANYTHING, frankly!!!
    No biggie…..I didn’t think you’re trying to convince me. or argue….You know me better than that 🙂

    “I’m Chiquita Banana and I’m here to say…”

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  16. It wasn’t silly and it’s not just right wing nonsense.
    They were living in a commune. That makes them…… socialists.
    They were dying because some lollygagged and the hard workers realized their own effort wasn’t rewarding them.
    Then Governor Bradford divvied up the commune and made each responsible for their own welfare.
    The dawdlers stopped dawdling.
    I post about this every Thanksgiving.
    https://mises.org/library/great-thanksgiving-hoax-1

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  17. kidme37 says:

    Ok Z. All good here. I’ll 2nd and 3rd taking enjoyment from anything we can these days.

    I’m sure I remember seeing a Chiquita banana commercial in color back in the day. One lady witha flowery dress and a hat with fruit all over it. Carmen Miranda maybe. Couldn’t find that one on youtube and maybe I’m misremembering anyway. You know guys and women with fruit covered hats….

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  18. And My friend Bill Federer wrote about it.
    SOCIALISM – the Real History from Plato to the Present : How the Deep State Capitalizes on Crises to Consolidate Control
    We talked about it here:
    https://anchor.fm/your-american-heritage/episodes/Your-American-Heritage-8-8-2020-ehs81a

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  19. MAL says:

    Well, my feeling is, if the Pilgrims could make it safely across the Atlantic and land on foreign soil, they could’ve easily adapted and survived. Consider also how tough those that ventured West to unfamiliar territory in horse-drawn wagons, venturing off into Indian territories and being attacked, without food or water. So Thanksgiving for the Pilgrims with friendly, helpful Indians would’ve been a virtual walk in the park for them.

    Oh! I read a “groaner” last night. Do you know why Dancer and Prancer love coffee so much?
    Its because they’re Santa’s star bucks!
    (I warned you, didn’t I?)

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  20. geeez2014 says:

    Ed….thanks…I don’t at all look at sharing like that as SOCIALISM but it gets people hot and bothered, doesn’t it. If they hadn’t shared, I’m guessing they’d not have made it; particularly without Squanto’s help….imagine an Indian back then speaking English.

    MAL; I can only go by the facts….I expect many of us know Native Americans also helped cavalries and settlers coming across the plains but that doesn’t seem to sell well, and it wasn’t OFTEN, probably….

    Star Bucks….not bad!!!

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  21. MAL says:

    (not bad, but not great, either, Z, but hey! It was clean!)

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  22. Baysider says:

    As I think about Squanto and his personal misfortune, I recall that his whole tribe died while he was gone. Had he not been tricked, kidnapped and sold into slavery and ransomed by Jesuit priests (those Jesuits, always in tough places it seems), he would have died with his tribe. God allowed these terrible sins of man to be used to glorify Him through the vehicle of yet another imperfect but miraculous man. (Sound familiar?)

    Interesting thought, Mal, but I think Squanto was God’s way of reminding them that they could not survive without Him. Half of them did not make it that first winter, in the wrong place at the wrong time of year.

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  23. Baysider says:

    And Ed, it was an even worse case in Jamestown where ‘settlers’ proclaimed a mission of bringing the gospel to the Indians, but brought with them an extraordinary number of assayers of precious metals to accompany the fortune seekers who pined for what the Spanish found in South America. Getting responsibility for your own land came after Squanto’s death, and the J Town governor dealt out harsh medicine to get the lazy to work.

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  24. Baysider says:

    Oop, to that add: by bringing in foreign industry through connections he made in Poland while escaping as a prisoner of the Turks.

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  25. peter3nj says:

    As a blue eyed blanquito married to a Latina it was important I learned to dance to the Latin rhythms. That being said I dance salsa, meringue, bachata, cumbia, mambo, pasa doble but damn I can’t cha-cha supposedly the easiest to learn . And no she doesn’t wear a hat with fruit 🍌 on it.

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  26. Well, as a commune with no ownership of private property, it was more than “sharing”.
    But the Squanto story is amazing. Miraculous.
    The odds are far too fantastic.
    Quite similar to the odds of Biden getting more votes than Trump.

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  27. geeez2014 says:

    Ed… …you win. I disagree but gad, that’s fine. Got to understand what they were going through…..people were good in those days …You didn’t do a better crop than your neighbor and say “Screw you”…you shared. You didn’t come that far to say “Every man on his own” They all put their goods together so all survived. As you know, and all your experts, that did not last long. But it kept them alive.

    Yes, the odds are far, far too fantastic.

    BAYSIDER, ALL of his tribe was gone when he got back, imagine? ……which makes it even more a miracle…more for a purpose….I believe it was GOD and I’ve often conveyed this story when I’ve tried to make Americans understand that dissing God isn’t what we want to do, that HE started this country and He’s had His hand on it………so far.
    By the way, Squanto, I believe I recall correctly, was also taken to Spain…then back to England, then back to JUST the spot where he was needed badly to get them through a particularly bad winter……
    It’s almost astonishing that he just didn’t stay in England, get left in Spain, didn’t die en route, etc.

    I love this story.

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  28. geeez2014 says:

    Trump’s speaking…I could CRY, I swear. He says “Now we have someone who wants to take over and stop AMERICA FIRST…..” You can tell he’s just SO disappointed in thinking a president can NOT put AMERICA FIRST.
    What a disgusting situation……….what is WRONG with AMERICA FIRST.?? Only liberals could hate that!!!??? Guilt? misinformation? A death wish? Not sure which, but they LOVE “DOWN WITH AMERICA FIRST”

    what country ON THIS PLANET doesn’t put their country first? What country has loose borders or sanctuary cities? right; NONE.

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  29. geeez2014 says:

    OH!! He’s finally really opened up about the election………I WON.
    Well, with dead people and pets voting….probably he did.

    He’s going to Georgia to help the senators…a good thing.

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  30. I thought Squanto was taken to Jamaica, sold there to a Jesuit, taken to Spain, given his freedom and introduced to an English captain who took him to England and then back to America.

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  31. kidme37 says:

    Kids have been indoctrinated to hate America. Since they know Nothing about other countries, they have no way to consider the alternatives and weigh the options. We do have to information, so we can concede some of America’s faults but still recognize it as the greatest country for individual liberty and economic opportunity. Completely lost on them.

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  32. kidme37 says:

    “We old folks Do have the information”, so we…..

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  33. geeez2014 says:

    Ed, he learned English in England….yes, went to Spain,…maybe even first. too many stories to know for sure.

    KID, that’s why we often say if it weren’t for the kids, we’d have a chance to be America again.
    I agree with you…..

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  34. My apologies. No Jamaica. Straight to Malaga, Spain.

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  35. peter3nj says:

    As we write my wife is speaking with cousins in Venezuela. They are holding out hope of Pennsylvania going fir Trump,; they are holding out hope for Trump to win and help Venezuela. I’m telling my wife to tell them it’s not going to happen. They’e asking if it goes to the Supreme Court? I told them if so they will decide in favor of Biden because if they rule in favor of Trump the cities will burn to the ground. The communist take over is almost complete. Unfortunately there is no hope for help for Venezuela coming from the US.

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  36. Sorry for your negativity Peter. i only hope you’re wrong, and I believe you are.
    This ain’t done yet,

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  37. Wrong video. Hope you liked the music, courtesy of Bunkerville. 🙂

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  38. bunkerville says:

    Am I the only one who watched the Macy day parade? A total disgrace…about as un american as it could be with every kind of riff raff and subset of identity being represented except good ole God fearing bible loving people.

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  39. peter3nj says:

    Bunker-I was too busy preparing and cooking a five course Thanksgiving Day meal for my wife and mother in law. Anyone driving through Mid-Town Manhattan recently, as I have, knew what was coming. C’est domage…

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  40. peter3nj says:

    Ed- While I too want to be proven wrong what is it that gives you hope this election fiasco is going to turn out well?

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  41. Bunker, it’s a tradition for my wife to force me to have the parades on while she cooks.
    Two floats and I thought the same you did.
    Pure marketing. Of crap.

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  42. bunkerville says:

    The Olay float finished me.

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  43. Baysider says:

    Z, Squanto was purchased off the slave block in that notorious slave market in SE Spain, in Malaga, by a religious order who sought to purchase such unfortunates to free them. In fact, my great great + grandmother was such a person (The slave market in Spain was gone by then; she was purchased in North Africa.)

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