When did America start flunking out?

Here’s another email Mal sent that I thought was profound and hideous! :

<b> MY SON WAS FLUNKING OUT OF COLLEGE SO I TOLD HIM,

“YOU WILL MARRY THE GIRL I CHOOSE.”

HE SAID, “NO.”

I TOLD HIM, “SHE IS BILL GATES’ DAUGHTER.”

HE SAID, “YES.”

I CALLED BILL GATES AND SAID,

“I WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY MY SON.”

BILL GATES SAID, “NO.”

I TOLD BILL GATES, “MY SON IS THE CEO OF THE WORLD BANK.”

BILL GATES SAID, “YES.”

I CALLED THE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD BANK

AND ASKED HIM TO MAKE MY SON THE CEO.

HE SAID, “NO.”

I TOLD HIM, “MY SON IS BILL GATES’ SON-IN-LAW.”

HE SAID, “YES.”

AND THAT’S EXACTLY HOW POLITICS WORKS.

And thus, began the practice of hiring morons to work in influential positions of government.

This practice remains unbroken to this day.</b>

Z: DO YOU ALL THINK THIS STARTED THE SECOND OUR FOUNDING FATHERS SIGNED ALL THE PAPERWORK FOR OUR COUNTRY OR DID MOST OF THEM, AT LEAST, HAVE SOME INTEGRITY AND PUT SELF WORTH SECOND TO THE COUNTRY?   I believe Washington did not die a rich man, am I right?  I think several did not…………..so, …????

If you don’t think it started back then, when do you think all this graft and corruption actually BEGIN?

Z

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27 Responses to When did America start flunking out?

  1. kidme37 says:

    The signers of the Declaration were hounded until the day they died, usually in hiding somewhere. Families murdered, homes burned. They did not falter from their intended mission to kick start the greatest country on Earth.

    People like Washington, Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan, Trump had good intentions directed at preservering or shoring up America’s foundations. Probably a few others – I’m not familiar with some of the earlier guys. The rest of the politicians for the most part were self-interested opportunists either not working for Americans or at the worst, taking sledge hammers to America’s foundations: FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama to mention a few. We see the result.

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  2. viburnum says:

    Actually Z, Washington was not only the wealthiest President prior to Trump, he was the wealthiest American of his time. Jefferson ranks third.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_net_worth

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  3. Mustang says:

    I believe that all humans share remarkable similarities, differing only in cultural morés. We are all motivated by our self-interests — or what we think are our self-interests. It may not always work out that way, for all kinds of reasons — not the least of which is “poor head work” in thinking about what our interests are and how best to achieve them. Age plays a role, as well. A teenager in Harlem may think that staying in school is a waste of time — which is poor headwork, even if he or she starts making serious money as a drug pusher because he or she is likely to end up dead within a few years. Joe Biden may think that corrupt practices that end up getting his son a massively lucrative position on the board of a Ukrainian corporation serves his interests, and then ends up in the White House. Poor head work, as well, but it worked out just fine for Joe and his son.

    So, if we return to 1774-1775 and enter one of the prominent citizen’s study, we may find that he is agonizing over which direction he ought to go … supporting the patriots, or remaining loyal to the British Crown. What advantages or disadvantages does each of these possibilities offer? What risks should he be willing to take in either direction? In my view, if the decision-making process involved some romantic notion about creating a new country founded on enlightened principles, it was secondary to the possibility that he (a) could improve his financial position, or (b) be hanged. As it turned out, the Patriots were the risk-takers — the capitalists — and while we can argue about whether this fellow benefitted from it directly in his own time (some did, some didn’t), we can’t argue about the long-term consequences of what happened between 1775-1783. Conversely, the loyalists (who we might also describe as British patriots) suffered mightily for their decision to remain firm in their commitment to the United Kingdom. Life isn’t always fair.

    The question remains, doesn’t profit motive benefit a capitalist society? Aren’t businessmen the engine of our economy? So even if some founders benefitted financially from the Revolution, is that necessarily a bad thing? Jefferson, by the way, was a poor businessman and upon his death, creditors seized his properties to recoup what he owed them. He was land rich but cash poor. After Jefferson’s death, “Self-interest” no longer mattered. So the answer may be that self-interest can be either a good thing or a bad thing, depending on where you draw the line between integrity and dishonesty.

    Where did graft and corruption begin? I think it began when Alley Oop, the tribal chief, clubbed his next-door neighbor over the head and took his woman. But ask Mal, he was alive back then.

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  4. geeez2014 says:

    I agree with you, KID, I do believe most of our founders were in it for the country; the place their children would grow and prosper. That’s a pretty big inducement for most good people and I do believe they were good. I’m not saying they didn’t have drawbacks or didn’t like money, but basically put the country plans first.

    Viburnum, thanks….I distinctly remember hearing one of our founders died in financial trouble…Your info says Jefferson was the third richest, MUSTANT’s info says Jefferson did poorly (and this is probably the president I’m remembering because I remember it was a president with a grand home who died poor)

    MUSTANG, it sure DID work for Biden……….BIG time.
    I frequently talk here about how you can’t have capitalism without goodness; capitalists are wise to help the poor, but giving the fishing pole, not the fish…….I think it’s true what you say about drugs… in some cases, though we know a lot of minority kids do very well in school…Howard University and others are examples of where kids go to succeed and I LOVE the COnservative graduates on FOX like Lawrence Jones, and the Blacks who were just elected, like Brandon Douglas, I think his name is? No dummies……there are a lot of them and, as Shelby Steele said the other night, Trump was a very good president for the Black community and he said many young BLacks are encouraged by him and turning from the typical Democrat promises.
    I know most people think humanity has always had questionable values….I think most people are good at their core. I hope so.

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  5. viburnum says:

    They were both as Mustang said “land rich and cash poor” but that was fairly common at the time, particularly in the South. The New England merchants may have had more ready cash, but wealth at the time was counted in acres as easily as in dollars. All the more reason to stand in awe of the risk they took when they ended the Declaration with the words ” And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

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  6. MAL says:

    What Viburnum said about Washington’s wealth reminds me of something my father told me years ago that Washington financed the entire war against England from his own pocket and cost him a million dollars, which at that time was huge!
    As an aside, I just saw headlines on NewsMax that big tech is saying the war against Trump’s tweets is only the beginning! Then I got to thinking, what about our military? What if they wanted to retaliate? They’re dependent on big tech. Folks, this is not good. I’m afraid its gonna get a lot worse before it’s over.

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  7. kidme37 says:

    Mal, I agree of course.

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  8. Baysider says:

    Excellent illustration. A trait of humanity since day 1. Julius Caesar practiced a variation of it that’s well documented and entertaining.

    Washington had a great deal of land wealth, good investments made in fire sales. He was a surveyor. He knew the good stuff. His friend the sheriff would let him know when a bankruptcy was coming on a choice piece. Married wealth. Ran a grist mill for cash flow which all planters lacked (most were in hock to their eyeballs to the bank). He had enough to not just free all slaves but set them up with lives. Lot of his great land in the Ohio river valley went to about 80 former Washington slave families to run their own farms. His estate paid pensions for slaves too old to work. The last payment was made in 1833! (if I recall correctly)

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  9. bocopro says:

    Uh . . . OT here —

    Scusami, boyez und gurulls . . . but izzis fur real??????

    I mean, thass gottabe a freakin joke, right??

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  10. geeez2014 says:

    BOCOPRO…I just can’t open the link…the headline is ENOUGH……….

    AND EVERYBODY: NOW BERNIE WILL BE IN CHARGE OF OUR BUDGET……….HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYBODY, FOLKS!! This is so FAR worse than I even thought it would be!!!

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  11. geeez2014 says:

    Hey, BOCOPRO..BY THE WAY…………….what aBout MISTER PRESIDENT?

    What will that sound like now?

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  12. geeez2014 says:

    I CANNOT HEAR BIDEN’S VOICE and HIS UGLY CONSTANT IMPLICATIONS ABOUT ANYTHING CONSERVATIVE.

    This is going to be a TOUGH YEAR.

    He keeps also saying things I wish Trump had said…which would probably have won him 5 more million votes..”I know your frustration…we’re all feeling it…..I wish you all the best; I’m an optimist and things WILL get better” but, no.

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  13. MAL says:

    i.e., “Cheer up. Things could be worse, so I cheered up and sure enough, things got worse.”

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  14. bocopro says:

    Yeah . . . and what’s Rashida Tlaib gonna do now when speaking of potus #45 ? Take away the term “mother” and she’ll be at a loss for words.

    Also might make the 23rd psalm and the Lord’s Prayer a bit tricky. What word do we use, “it”?

    The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
    It maketh me to lie down in green pastures: it leadeth me beside the still waters.
    It restoreth my soul: It leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for its name’s sake.

    Hey, I know . . . the Pilipino language has no gender in its 3rd-person singular pronoun, which is “siya,” referring to either male or female.

    I have NO idea how the romance languages would deal with absence of gender in their nouns and pronouns and articles.

    This could turn out to be as much fun as the cat-fight ‘twixt Dr. Jill and Kamalho over who gets on which slick-paper magazine cover first.

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  15. kidme37 says:

    Plus only men and women have died or even been infected with the virus. Apparently the other 58 genders are immune. How they gonna report that.

    Hope they make it so the kids won’t even be able to talk to each other.

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  16. kidme37 says:

    Yet another OT.

    13 for sure dead from the vaccine, another 15 being investigated for cause.
    I dead doctor in Florida

    https://tinyurl.com/y5atsond
    http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2021/01/23-deaths-norway-launch-investigation.html

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  17. kidme37 says:

    Other 10 not 15…

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    BOCOPRO: THIS is FUNNY! “Yeah . . . and what’s Rashida Tlaib gonna do now when speaking of potus #45 ? Take away the term “mother” and she’ll be at a loss for words.”
    Good point!!

    Kid ” Plus only men and women have died or even been infected with the virus.” Another good point! 🙂

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  19. geeez2014 says:

    KID, interesting they’re Pfizer from which those folks died……
    Still, as awful as 23 is, in THOUSANDS, it’s probably bound to happen. I know they recommend you stick around a while after having the vaccine, just in case.
    I feel a bit more confident that Johnson & Johnson is coming up with a vaccine and it’s only a “one time” shot…not the two-dose.
    I don’t know how I feel about this…..I just heard a report about the new strain and how it can get worse again around the world, actually already is, particularly in Japan………We have to weigh the consequences “Is it worse to get the virus or the vaccine?”
    One day at a time… I hope I don’t have to have the vaccine, frankly. But I SO don’t want to get that virus and be one of the tiny amount to go to the hospital, all alone, with nobody who gives a damn there with you…and the fear.

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  20. geeez2014 says:

    ALL: Please pray again for Father Sarkis……his oxygen levels are vastly improving and he’s got a huge appetite, even with whatever they’re feeding him in the hospital!, , which I always think is a good sign….I know things can go south rapidly, I had it happen to my friend who died……please pray for complete and rapid recovery!
    thanks.

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  21. kidme37 says:

    Vaccine – yea, it’s just a data point.

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  22. Baysider says:

    Right, no hospital. You never want to land in one without a strong, effective advocate for your well-being. With everyone being kept out you are left alone and unprotected. Glad to hear your friend is improving.

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  23. kidme37 says:

    Z, in my non-medical opinion, getting an appetite back is a very good thing.

    OT – since I’ve blabbered about the stock market I thought it fair to add a note – I haven’t gotten any info other than the market is headed up in the intermediate and longer term, But – I’m seeing that there are 30,000 Natl Guard troops in DC now with air support assets including F16 and Predator Drone – ?to defend against a couple guys in a 1973 Ford pickup with hunting rifles? I have to take pause at least over the next 30-60 days and see if anything comes of this. So my 401 is in a money market fund now (same as cash). Potential gains in the next few months are expected not to be that much, but based on the what the heck is going on in DC, potential downside could far outweigh the potential upside. So a better safe than sorry stance for the short term. fwiw.

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  24. MAL says:

    We booked a vaccine app’t for Jan. 30 here at our Sun City Community Center, but not sure we will keep it just yet, and may cancel and wait a bit longer. They’re using Moderna’s serum. We’ll see.

    We’re praying for him, too, Z. We knew him before he was born! (his parents). His father delivered Jim, our last child.

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  25. geeez2014 says:

    MAL, Dr Arthur del’d Jim…how nice!! What a great guy he was!! 🙂

    KID, I’m REALLY worried…feel like taking at least half out of the market…I don’t know.
    Thanks for the info.

    Isn’t it amazing how against the Guard the Left was when it was protecting our communities..now that it’s THEM, they’re all for it……(#*$&#@(q*$&(*#q&$*(

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  26. kidme37 says:

    And it’s not just that the guard is there Z, but the amount, the armored vehicles, air support. I know congress doesn’t care about cost and my first reaction was to think they’re just selling their “capitol riots” / “Maga hat wearing domestic terrorist” BS – but you don’t need that much for that.

    Big question mark for me, so I stepped aside until things shake out. 30-60-90 days? won’t hurt me to be out that long.

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