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SO, even the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS GONE WOKE.  

We’ve all seen the church loosen up a bit over the years but this takes the cake.  And, of course, it’s not yet definite, but just the thought…..

I happen to admire a LOT in the Catholic Church, I actually admire much of their Service and other things, so I’m even more sad to see this possibility.   Obviously, if a Black or Asian Priest is right for the job, FINE…but to announce it early, like our SCOTUS justice?

What a mistake….  God bless our churches.

Have a blessed Sunday.

Z  (Please, this is NOT a discussion about Catholics v Protestants…I’ll have to delete those comments.  Thanks.)

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34 Responses to Sunday Faith Blog

  1. bocopro says:

    Wrote a big ol’ rant this mornin on wokeism. . . much too lengthy to post here. Last few paragraphs are these:

    Liberals finally got just about all they wanted – gun laws, abortion on demand, gay marriage, trannie rights – but they wanted more . . . and more . . . and more. Now they’re at the point where they say that 5-yr-olds can decide their own gender and government should pay for medication or surgery to effect the “transition.”

    And reasonable people decided they’d had just about enough liberalism, gay pride, genetic male intrusion into women’s athletics, gender alteration, attacks on the 1st and 2nd Amendments . . . and the Supremes sensed their attitude and THAT is what killed Roe v. Wade.

    If they hadn’t pushed the goal posts clear out of the damned stadium, things very likely would’ve gone on as before, with more than enough restriction on firearms to prevent mass slaughter . . . IF prosecutors and judges put criminals away instead of releasing them with low or no bail.

    Women would still be able to get an abortion just about anyplace, and if they couldn’t afford it, even get help from family “planning” organizations and government.

    But, NO-o-o-o-o-o . . . . they had to have MORE. Kill the kid days, even weeks, after delivery in some obscene interpretation of “continued procedure.” They had to chip away at the pillars of the Constitution – the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 10th Amendments. They had to make 97% of the population adhere to and comply with the needs of the 3% of eccentrics in the LGBTQ subculture.

    And what happened was that they finally “woke” the silent majority to the point that the court of last resort said, “Nope! It ain’t in the parchment, so bug off with your silly-ass demands.”

    Women’s health isn’t the issue with the SCotUS decision. It never was the issue. POWER is the issue, privilege is the issue, selfishness is the issue . . . “MORE” is the issue, and the left got addicted to patronage by courts, legislatures, mayors, governors; addicted to getting what they wanted simply by acting like spoiled children; addicted to calling anyone who disagrees with them racists, or phobes, or hypocrites.

    And thank Donald J. Zeus for appointing 3 justices to that court of last appeal who realized that the slippery slope was getting nasty with the blood of dead babies and littered with the mangled rights of law-abiding citizens and called them out on it.

    Yeah, it’s their own damned fault. They had it made but still demanded more, and seeing amorality, dissolution, and tribalism on the horizon, 5 people who don’t have to be worried about getting voted out of office said “NO!” to their incessant demands. And it’s about damned time, I say.

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  2. Mustang says:

    I truly do not get your point. The Catholic Church is “woke” because the college of cardinals might choose a non-white cardinal to become the next Vicar of Christ? Does skin color mean that much as a frame of reference to who we are? I’m blown away by this, actually. I saw the film The Shack … which I enjoyed tremendously, and I found it interesting that a black woman, an Asian woman, an American Indian male, and a Semitic male played the roles of the trinity. It made perfect sense to me that this could be true, particularly in the proposition that all three could reveal themselves to us in various ways — to have the greatest effect upon us, given our innate biases.

    Suppose you were in a horrible automobile accident, and you needed a pint of blood to survive your injuries. Would you turn down that pint of blood if you knew that it came from a black donor? I wouldn’t turn it down; and I don’t care what skin color the next Pope has, either.

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  3. geeez2014 says:

    MUSTANG, My readers know me well enough to see that I so clearly wrote that the reason I’m dismayed is the same reason we ALL were dismayed at Biden’s signaling in advance his choice of a Black female justice appointment was because she was Black and female and here we see it again in the Vatican; WE HAVE ALWAYS SELECTED ON MERIT, NOT COLOR OR GENDER. “WOKENESS” should not be considered in ANY situation let alone highly important decisions. That a jurist is proven first for her or his BRILLIANCE is the hope of most Americans. Meritocracy is something that must come back to our country.
    This papal choice was part of the definition of ‘woke’, as most of us know.

    As I clearly wrote “Obviously, if a Black or Asian Priest is right for the job, FINE…but to announce it early, like our SCOTUS justice?”

    Amazing, Mustang. For you to be ‘blown away’ TRULY blew MY mind, believe me.

    BOCOPRO!!!

    So you believe the Court ruled this way just to take advantage of the zeitgeist in AMerica today?
    You wrote;
    “And reasonable people decided they’d had just about enough liberalism, gay pride, genetic male intrusion into women’s athletics, gender alteration, attacks on the 1st and 2nd Amendments . . . and the Supremes sensed their attitude and THAT is what killed Roe v. Wade.”

    Not sure!! I think the court usually rules about whether situations fit the Constitution/ the law, etc.

    How does your Catholic Reggie feel about this new ruling? !! Give her our best!

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  4. Mustang says:

    At Z —

    I’m arguing that we haven’t seen any such thing (as woke-ism) from the college of cardinals. The article you reference was written by what could be a non-Christian that emphasizes (from the first line) “rumors,” while your statement is declarative: THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS GONE WOKE. On line two, “bookmakers predict” … Your post today is wrong on so many levels. But it is your blog and I enjoy swinging by to read it (and the comments)…

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  5. Elizabeth says:

    @Mustang You do not like being wrong do you? There is nothing wrong with Z’s post today. She is not prejudiced or slanting in that vein. She is pointing out that in all organizations and even organized religion wokism is being exercised. I agree with her. People were once chosen on merit, not the color of their skin or ethnicity. It could be this is not from the church but from the author of the article. Either way to tell Z she is wrong – IS WRONG. WHAT MAKES YOU ALWAYS SO RIGHT? I won’t apologize or back down. I think you know me Mustang. You cannot bully me any longer and I do not fall for your “I know better than everyone routine.” I see right through this.

    @Z Keep bringing on the posts and making us aware of what is happening out there. You are a great person and consistent person. I appreciate your heartfelt sincere posts.

    “As rumors continue to swirl that Pope Francis may soon resign, bookmakers predict a Black or Asian cardinal could succeed him.”

    Sounds woke to me. Furthermore, MLK said that he wished that one day we would look to the content of a man’s heart not the color of their skin.

    Sorry for my bluntness Z (not sorry for what I said), but I felt some remarks were uncalled for against you.

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  6. bunkerville says:

    I have no idea what the premise of your post was….if you want comments you need to decide to take them… I don’t see how you place restrictions on your comments and threaten to remove them if they don’t meet a standard.

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  7. bocopro says:

    “How does your Catholic Reggie feel about this new ruling?”

    Finding someone more apolitical than Reggie would be tough. Her basic attitude toward politicians is that they’re all corrupt and non-credible.

    In that regard, she got it into her head that Francis is more political than religious, so she pays no attention to him . . . preferring to listen only to the advice and counsel of her parish priest and the deacon (a Filipino) who comes here each Sunday to give her communion since the doctors told her to avoid going to church while on chemo.

    I was outside when the deacon left today, and to be polite I asked him, “So, how do you feel about a Pinoy pope?”

    He took the opportunity to launch into a sermon on God’s guidance for the cardinals and how he hopes they follow His advice.

    Unable to let that go, I said, “But He gave them intellect and free will . . . shouldn’t they objectively weigh the candidates’ records and vote according to their own minds?”

    For that I got a 5-minute lecture on what’s wrong with people today and how easily it could all be fixed by returning to God through Jesus.

    Deacon’s wife rescued me before I responded, telling her husband that they had other parishioners to visit and needed to get going.

    Reggie was only vaguely aware that a Pi’pino cardinal was being considered, but . . . like me, she considers Filipinos to be amongst the most devout and well-read catholics on the planet, so I’m sure she’d vote for him if asked — even though she considers the job heavily politicized.

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  8. geeez2014 says:

    BUNKERVILLE…YOu haven’t been on my site for enough years to know why I had to put that here. I have had a Sunday Faith Blog for a very long time and the ONLY ugliness was caused by Protestants insulting Catholicism. I had approximately EIGHT HUNDRED COMMENTS of fighting and arguing, none of which I took part it…. I won’t have that again.
    Catholicism is often criticized by Protestants and I won’t have it here. Yes, I placed A restriction here, once, for a very good reason ….Unkindness or slamming the religions of others is never a standard here at GeeeZ.

    MUSTANG…..Have a wonderful Sunday!!

    ELIZABETH….Thank you so very much. Most was extremely uncalled for, yes. It’s not the first time.

    Have a good day, everyone.

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  9. geeez2014 says:

    BOCOPRO…”Unable to let that go, I said, “But He gave them intellect and free will . . . shouldn’t they objectively weigh the candidates’ records and vote according to their own minds?”
    Ya, that makes sense, but they do believe it’s God’s final decision, which is another reason why any color or nationality of Pope should be more than welcomed.

    Reggie’s right…Francis is probably the most political pope we’ve had, but I would never say he is not a man of extreme faith…

    And your Deacon is right about everything in our world “…how easily it could all be fixed by returning to God through Jesus.”

    Kindness starts there, too. I hope more people practice it.

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  10. kidme37 says:

    Well, when do ‘book makers’ speak for the Church ? I don’t see where the church is making a statement about who they will elect.

    In any case, I have noticed the church is embracing homosexuals and others such as female priests, which has not been allowed before. Maybe as the attendance and cash dries up.

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  11. Elizabeth says:

    Z, you are mentioned in today’s post at my blog. I hope it will make you feel better and uplift you. I wrote it last night before I visited here today. XX

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  12. geeez2014 says:

    KID… I HOPE the next pope is Black or Asian…who could have a problem with that? I know that here at GeeeZ we’ve had some pretty awful comments made toward Black AMericans but I know most of my readers know my stance. I’d be delighted were this to happen, “FINE” as I said in my post…..but not BECAUSE they’re Black…..As the article says, Turkson has been an amazing help to the Pope and has moved up in the ranks…..THAT is what we want and THAT is what bookmakers use as fodder for their prognostications, as I think most of us know.:

    “Turkson, 73, has long been viewed as a papabile, a term for someone considered a possible or likely candidate to be elected pope.”

    Black or Asian , of course, is different than homosexuals or female priests……There should never EVER be a situation where someone with talent is NOT chosen for his color or ethnicity!!!

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  13. kidme37 says:

    I have never met nor can imagine someone who would look at any given black person they don’t know in a negative light. Total foreign concept to me. Some dude with gang tattoos ifor example s a different story. You got your blacks and you got your ‘others’.

    Otherwise, any non-communist will suit me fine.

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  14. geeez2014 says:

    KID……I wish more people felt that way. Sadly, I’ve seen commenters jump to the worst conclusion because someone is BLack. I don’t understand that, either.
    Ya, gang tattoos, etc….different story; Black, White, Asian or Hispanic.

    NO COMMUNISTS!!! YES!!!!

    (Since what some consider a more ‘socialistic’ Francis became Pope, there has been some nasty stuff said so I used to think we could talk between Catholics and Protestants but found it’s not for my blog…….I found out the hard way)

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  15. bunkerville says:

    Z.. I don’t think one needs “to slam” Catholicism to have a constructive conversation including your topic of wokeness.. but that is your title is in fact. That certainly was not my intention. I could say that in fact the protestants are doing more than their fair share of “wokeness” – with the Methodists now having a Tranny Bishop… does that mean I am slamming Methodists? No… but how to have a conversation if I one cannot apparently discuss the brand?

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  16. geeez2014 says:

    BUNKERVILLE…All I wrote at the bottom in small italics was: “Z (Please, this is NOT a discussion about Catholics v Protestants…I’ll have to delete those comments. Thanks.)

    I’m pleased we’ve had the conversation we’ve had without bringing it to ANY Denomination VERSUS another.

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  17. geeez2014 says:

    BUNKERVILLE…I pretty well described in a comment higher up what happened a few years back and why I put that kind of ‘disclaimer’ at the bottom. I have never had any denomination on my Sunday Faith BLog insulted or criticized BUT Catholicism and I was desirous of what exactly happened here, that we could talk about the wokeness issue as if it was ANY denomination……this is not peculiar to Catholicism, anyway, as Kid suggested…..most churches are going in that direction …
    I’m very happy with the talk above….everyone kept it just as I’d hoped and I appreciate that very much. Maybe it’s because of what I’d added way at the bottom but I don’t think so.

    Thanks.

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  18. Elizabeth says:

    I do not understand why anyone visits a blog and tells people how to conduct their blog or blog discussions? Why? It is their blog, their rules. Who gives any of the right to criticize how another chooses to run their blog. Run your own and don’t worry about what others do. If they have comments and discussions or not is not our business. No one cares if their posts garner a favored comment or not it is to elicit a discussion. Something that was sorely misunderstood in my former blog. Though I would thank all the naysayers and people that came telling me how to ‘conduct myself’ taught me a lesson that even those we thought are like-minded truly are not. So I moved on and did my own thing and I don’t care what anyone thinks or if it garners conversation or not. My blog stats tell my story now and I do it and dedicate it to God. It matters why you have a blog, why you are doing something – not necessarily anyone correcting Z or anyone else on how to conduct their comment section.

    Bunker, I know you mean well and I respect you, your blog, what you write is par excellence, and how you go about your business – but I do not see anyone telling you that I know of how to run your show. When you did this at my blog honestly I was very hurt and my comment[s] were taken out of context and misunderstood. I closed PR because I was not going to let anyone tell me I could not mix God and politics the way I chose to or run my comments how I chose to. Just like you do your thing your way we all do our thing our way. Respect the process. I run a new blog how I want to and if people read I am happy. I don’t need comments but if they come they are welcome. But I tell NO ONE HOW TO RUN THEIR COMMENTS.

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  19. bunkerville says:

    I was simply attempting to point out that what was being asked to comment upon ran counter to the premise Z was positing. if we were to preclude any discussion specific to Catholic faith and politics involved, how would it occur. Z clarified that it was “(v)” assumed versus.
    As far as your blog… you choose to be wounded.. I do not recall at any time posting a comment. at your blog. Please advise the comment.

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  20. Elizabeth says:

    Bunker you commented quite a bit and when I wrote one particular blog and was in disagreement with a commenter you interjected that I should watch what I say if I want discussion. I would not lie or make that up. It is a pity you do not remember or just have selective memory. No one chooses to be wounded. We wound people by our actions, words, and deeds. I see you come across very cold and insensitive, but I would expect no less of you. Please advise the comment.

    God bless you.

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  21. Baysider says:

    The leftist-near-Marxist narrative in the Catholic church is spearheaded ably by Pope Francis, who came out of the catholic American hemispheres’ liberation theology with emphasis on the wrong liberator. That gives the false liberator a lot more room to maneuver, just as has been seen in mainline Protestant denominations, and leads to corruption.

    It’s no surprise they are ‘signaling.’ I recall a fair amount of signaling prior to the election of the last pope, that it was “the turn” of South America. To a certain extent it’s fair to suggest we’re going to demonstrate that we are truly an inclusive church for all by not holding the reins of power in Italian hands forever – so to speak. But the way it’s been done mirror’s Biden’s artless supreme court “search.” Not a focus on quality of theology and leadership, but skin color.

    So one of the suggested successors wants a “campaign … to counteract mounting anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S.” Hmm. Does that mean he has given up on influencing their countries of origin’s ability to establish functional governments which secure ample opportunities in freedom for their own citizens? Why not speak out about THAT – about the problem of institutionalized destitution and corrupt oligarchs at its fount. Instead of carping on their neighbors for not taking them in en masse. That smacks of a chicken running to hide behind the shield of woke-ism’s leveling influence.

    Of the other possibility it is said “Turkson advocates for respectful dialogue and examination of the ethical concerns around issues such as climate change, disease and research, disability, the legalization of marijuana, the opioid epidemic, racism, and tribalism.” Uh-oh. A lotta dog whistles there that usually trot with the running dogs of the left behind the shield of humanitarianism. So … one has to ask: are the ‘ethical concerns’ around the climate Bjørn Lomborg style, cost-benefit? or Al power-for-me G’lore style?

    There have to be fine churchmen everywhere, but the ones who are promoted now ain’t those in the style of Benedict. We sure as hell aren’t going to see Cardinal Robert Sarah elevated. Not by a man who could not bring himself to denounce the ghastly public murder of one of his own priests by Islamist radicals.

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  22. geeez2014 says:

    BUNKERVILLE..,thank you.

    ELIZABETH and BUNKERVILLE, please let’s not argue this here! I’m sorry for hard feelings caused from all of this…BELIEVE me, I should have some pretty hard feelings, and not just from this post, too….but let’s move on, please.

    I appreciate you both.

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  23. Elizabeth says:

    Baysider, I think I may have mentioned here before how a church I volunteered at, Methodist, the assisted the homeless (I am Christian, but non-denominational) – to the point the pastor of this church was all consumed with the administrative aspect if they were going to allow gays to pastor churches and accept same-sex marriage. He was all for it. I did point out many verses, from Jesus himself, but he was bent on twisting the Word of God. I have a problem with Churches and people that twist and change the word of God. Bill Clinton said the Bible needed to be updated to our times and I know one person who actually said to me ‘that the Bible is an ancient book with a political agenda.’ The latter astounded me. But many people who are void of the Word of God think like this and it really makes me so sad for them. Where is there hope?

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  24. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER…I’m so glad you agree with me that “It’s no surprise they are ‘signaling.’ I recall a fair amount of signaling prior to the election of the last pope, that it was “the turn” of South America. To a certain extent it’s fair to suggest we’re going to demonstrate that we are truly an inclusive church for all by not holding the reins of power in Italian hands forever – so to speak. But the way it’s been done mirror’s Biden’s artless supreme court “search.” Not a focus on quality of theology and leadership, but skin color.”

    I remember the suggestions of a S. American becoming Pope, too, now that you mention it.

    And yes, OF COURSE, it’s about quality and leadership and no one here EVER suggested that anyone is not welcomed because of color or ethnicity, just that this so well echoed Biden’s ridiculous insult to the Black justice who should/could have been known only for her expertise, not as the justice chosen clearly for her color and gender.

    I’m hoping Turkson advocates for DIALOGUE, not DIALOGUE WHICH SUPPORTS THE SOCIALIST MARXISTS…… No, I’m not sure there IS a Benedict out there anymore, sadly, and, if there is, he’d probably be too old!!

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  25. Elizabeth says:

    I am sorry and I do not think Bunker or I am arguing. Disagreeing yes, but then we all know we do not always agree. I respect you all. God bless you all Z!

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  26. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER… I was thinking about the DIALOGUE issue and, in your quote, they were mostly leftwing buzzwords but there’s no place it says which SIDE Turkson’s on. I suppose he’s said enough that pushes him left, I don’t know, but I was thinking DIALOGUE is something that could HELP the Conservative cause.

    If there WERE more DIALOGUE, perhaps we could actually OUT TALK the Lefties……at this point, the Left talks, sounds like it makes sense, and only rather soft conservative voices speak on only rightwing TV/radio or get published, and that’s that…..the words go into the atmosphere…Sowell, Hanson, Friedman, etc etc etc……………..poof! they talk and it’s GONE!

    Let’s have REAL DIALOGUE on TELEVISION some nights….where conservatives can, for example, remind Americans how EVs are NOT the conservation answer considering they don’t MAKE electricity and lithium mostly from Australia but CHINA produces about 1/3 of it!!! MUCH of what the Left wants is needed FROM CHINA…..
    Let’s have conversations…………..DIALOGUE IT…………OPENLY. Let’s stop having the unceasing, largely unchallenged monologue of the Left. Right?

    This is what’s starting to happen in School meetings, etc………let’s see what happens.

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  27. Baysider says:

    E: “Bill Clinton said the Bible needed to be updated to our times.” Gee, I wonder what he had in mind. 🙂

    Although it was Socrates who said “an unexamined life is not worth living” it is God himself who gives us the tools to examine it well and justly. America has been fond of quoting the phrase that we are the last best hope (and I agree in the current political context) but truly, God’s Rescue Plan is where The Hope lies. I’m sure you share my sorrow in seeing the very men that should be shouting Truth-in-Love from the roof tops along with Repent Now are pivoting instead to be guided by unregenerate hearts. In one of the darkest days of Israel, God still had 7,000 that had not bowed the knee to Baal. Faithful men succored by other faithful men, carrying the torch forward.

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  28. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER…Beautifully said….COuldn’t agree more. “I’m sure you share my sorrow in seeing the very men that should be shouting Truth-in-Love from the roof tops along with Repent Now are pivoting instead to be guided by unregenerate hearts” SO true.

    I would add that, !(while we don’t “put God aside” ever,) putting God aside (!), I believe it was Reagan who said “If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.”

    I do believe that. I also remember my husband saying that people in Europe just don’t help others in times of disasters like the Americans do. That says a lot, too.

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  29. geeez2014 says:

    A little boy goes to his father and asks, “Daddy, how was I born?”
    The father answers,
    “Well, son, I guess one day you will need to find out anyway! Your mom and I first got together in a chat room on Yahoo. Then I set up a date via e-mail with your mom and we met at a cyber-cafe. We sneaked into a secluded room, and googled each other. There your mother agreed to a download from my hard drive. As soon as I was ready to upload, we discovered that neither one of us had used a firewall, and since it was too late to hit the delete button, nine months later a little Pop-Up appeared that said: ‘You’ve got male!’”

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  30. Baysider says:

    Cute! Did I miss your new picture at the top? It looks like a German window ledge with geraniums in the spring.

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  31. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER…Hi….it is cute, isn’t it. No, you didn’t miss it; I put it up about an hour ago. I LOVE red geraniums and they do remind me of German window ledges…

    I am also big on windows and doors …in art, in photos, etc……Found this picture in my blog’s photos for headers, I must have saved it there, and almost didn’t put it up because it’s square rather than long, running across the header, but I figured it looked pretty good like this, too.

    Glad you noticed 🙂

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  32. peter3nj says:

    Just came home while it’s still Sunday so here goes to all you red wave believers: yesterday subbing for my friend Jim who has a one man car service. I drive two couples in their 70’s from Jersey over to a Broadway show in the Rotten Apple then went back yesterday evening to pick them up. This gets better… both couples Brooklyn born red dopper diaper babies. One couple visiting lives in Dan Jose, Ca tfe tiger here in northern Bergen County, NJ. Upon picking them up I advised we may have problems in mid-town due to the pro-abortion marchers. They then said if we arrive in time they could join the marchers before the theater. Wait, it gets better. That evening driving back they began discussing Pee Pee Pete’s chances for the democrat nomination in 2024. They then began revisiting 2020 when both couples flew into Indianapolis, rented a van and followed Penis Pete’s caravan into Iowa. Why remain skeptical? Why not?
    As for the Catholic Church I’ll consider worshiping when the commie pope gets the boot and the mass is once again said in Latin. I’m not holding my breath.

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  33. myfoxmystere says:

    The circus has come to the Catholic Church! Pass the popcorn please!

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  34. geeez2014 says:

    PETER !!! UGH!! None of us “red wave believers” think everyone thinks like us, that is FOR SURE.
    The Catholic Church shouldn’t be tainted with what I call “the workings of the Church”….it’s sad the Vatican enters into a beautiful faith at all..

    MYFOX….it’s not okay to say that here (see comments way above! :-)) But yes…pass the popcorn! 🙂
    And, by the way, you can say anything you want here unless, once or twice a year, I write a short request which I hope is at least respected….after all, it IS my blog).
    Thanks!

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