ABORTION: LOTS of questions

LOTS OF THOUGHTS GOING THROUGH MY MIND AS THIS AMAZING ABORTION SITUATION IS HAPPENING…..HERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE THINGS, AND I’D LIKE YOU TO PICK ONE OR ALL AND LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.  THANKS!

Should the choice to keep or not keep a baby be between a woman and her doctor or her God?

Or should the choice to keep or not keep a baby be between a woman and her government?

Is abortion murder or isn’t it murder?

If it’s murder after 16 weeks, why is it not murder at 2 weeks?

Is the baby less viable, entitled to a life, as a product of rape?

Will abortion pills be banned now?  Joe Biden warned , after hearing the decision, that “they’ll be going through your medicine chests now…”

A woman called into Dennis Prager’s radio show yesterday and said she had no children, she and her husband had suffered five miscarriages.  Her sister suddenly got pregnant by a man other than the boyfriend.  The sister said “I will have a DNA test and, if it’s not my boyfriend (because I had a one-nighter with a guy I know who’s engaged to be married soon), then I’ll abort it.  If it’s my boyfriend’s maybe I’ll keep it.”    The infertile sis begged her to have the baby and let her and her husband adopt it so she could have a child.   The sis did the DNA, it belonged to the one-night stand, and she had an abortion.  She said she’d have the baby but couldn’t be pregnant for nine months, so the baby was aborted.

Why include this story here?  Because it broke my heart.  Sadly, I kind of see both sides.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS SUBJECT?   IT’S A BIG ONE….

 

Z

 

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47 Responses to ABORTION: LOTS of questions

  1. bocopro says:

    Nope. No comment. W-A-Y too complicated for my simple mind. F-A-R above my paygrade.

    Just thankful that DJT got enough reasonable minds on the high court to slow down the inexorable self-feeding growth of central gummint.

    The gun and foetus rulings did a heimlich and CPR at a crucial point for states’ rights and put “democracy” back where it belongs, with the people, not the Swamp.

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  2. Mustang says:

    Ron is a wise man and I’ll follow his lead. This is way above my paygrade, too. Except to acknowledge that young people sometimes do stupid silly things and often try to right the ship by doing even more stupid silly things. You’re right — the situation is heartbreaking. If we are talking about human compassion, applying that compassion to the unborn, then we should at least ask, “What kind of compassion forces a newborn into a family that doesn’t want it?” In this case, the childless sibling wanted the infant, but you have to admit that that’s an unusual situation. In most cases, restriction on abortion forces the stupid silly mother to have a child she already detests. My heart goes out to that infant, who will grow up unloved, deeply resented, and very angry.

    Sad.

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  3. peter3nj says:

    If I were king of the world I would have sky writers buzzing the beaches on the weekend with the message “”Attention a-holes take the tiny friggin pill each day and stop the madness.” I would have that message running 24-7 on the electronic message board on Times Square and around the world “Attention A-holes take the tiny friggin pill each day and stop the madness.” I would have the message recited every day in high school along with the Pledge of Allegiance “ Attention A-holes take the tiny friggin pill each day and stop the madness.” There would be a sign in the window of every pharmacy everywhere “Attention A-holes we have the pill you can take each day stop the madness.” I would make it mandatory that drug dealers include a month supply of the everyday pill in each plastic baggie of sh-t they sell. But then isn’t it easier along with it being a woman’s right to carry around an unwanted belly full of fetus for up to nine months before crushing the skull or snipping the brain stem? Of course, obviously ask any demented democrat.

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  4. -FJ says:

    The fact that a resulting abortion law may be too “restrictive” (12 weeks, 4 weeks, 0 weeks-conception) is made moot by a “veto by the minority”. Just get 12 women in the jury box. I’m sure that a “minority opinion” exists there… provided you can find one with the “courage” to exercise it. I’d set it at “conception” and let Prosecutor persevererance set the “limit” locally.

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  5. -FJ says:

    There’s a good chance that even late-term abortion might remain “extralegal” in certain jurisdictions that way. The question is, do you trust the people or not?

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  6. -FJ says:

    “What you allow is what will continue”

    “Freedom comes when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike.”

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  7. Elizabeth says:

    Personally, I am tired of the conversation that lead America down a path of murder that killed at the very least two generations. How about helping these women realize abortion is “MURDER’ and to carry to term to put the baby up for adoption for a childless couple that would really want, love, and nurture it? Or teaching abstinence and self-control. There is birth control so the real issue is why are those resources not being looked into and advanced? Abortion should never have been legalized it is immoral and murderous. I am not referring to women who are victims of rape, incest, or need to have an abortion because it puts their lives in extreme danger.

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  8. geeez2014 says:

    WELL, EVERYONE…YOu can see I’m not WHOLLY on one side or the other……

    BOCOPRO: Why I DO believe I found a subject you don’t have much to say about! And I don’t BLAME YOU!!! I SO get your point…..that’s why I wrote my post as I did….
    These are ALL IN THE FORM OF QUESTIONS because they SHOULD remain QUESTIONS…no matter WHAT side of the aisle! THanks.

    MUSTANG: Your heart needn’t go out to that child for the sad life it will lead, it was killed. Of course, I included that story as it fascinated me and represents thousands of stories which are not so ‘cut and dried’….SO many situations we don’t know of……So MANY stories which deserve our compassion even if they make a choice we might not, or couldn’t, make………I believe it’s NOT OUR BUSINESS.

    FJ…thanks for coming by. I agree “I’d set it at “conception” and let Prosecutor perseverance set the “limit” locally.” And WHAT a fascinating point: Get 12 WOMEN on that jury…yes……WOWZA!!! On the other hand, who knows….there are women with varying points of view, as we see in those protesters!!! I laughed at your Mrs. Grundy comment! YES 🙂

    PETER: “Attention A-holes take the tiny friggin pill each day and stop the madness.”
    THere IS THAT…..THERE ARE WAYS TO AVOID PREGNANCIES…and they can be FREE ways if your financial situation warrants. Good point, Peter, and one which SHOULD be understood (and heeded) by more people!!!!!

    ELIZABETH….Is a baby less viable and less welcome to a full and happy life because its father was a rapist? NOT SAYING I FEEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, but……it’s worth some thought, I think!? If we are ones who say A BABY IS VIABLE AS AN EMBRYO, how can we kill because it’s a product of rape? SO many issues….
    But, yes…..ONE SUBJECT I HAVE PERSONALLY NOT HEARD IN ALL THE DISCUSSION SINCE THE RULING IS ‘BIRTH CONTROL’…..THAT ABORTION CAN BE AVOIDED ENTIRELY!

    EVERYBODY: WHo can’t empathize with a woman with four children who suddenly finds she is pregnant again and has barely enough money for her family as it is. Or the ENERGY to care for yet another child. THat’s no easy feat, as you all know!!! LOVE comes into it, and THAT is what kept families together all these years in the past………Abortions were more difficult to get in my childhood and yours…and women had their children and somehow raised them, some very well, wealthy or poor; something to think about, I think.

    WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE MORE STABS AT ANSWERS FOR MY QUESTION; ONLY INCLUDED THE PRAGER STORY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT’S JUST ONE IN MAYBE MILLIONS AND SHOWS THE COMPLEXITIES OF ALL OF THIS….

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  9. -FJ says:

    The problem with the “weeks of gestation” abortion argument is that people lie (and/or don’t know) and doctors can’t be precise in estimating the age of the fetus (even with scans/ etc.). So if the law says “16” and the woman lied and it’s 20, what? Are you going to charge her with murder for those extra 4 weeks? That’s why I’d set it at 0. There’s no “legal” question that way. The abortion is either “legal” (for rape/incest/ or health objections) or it’s not and the abortionist “guilty”. It’s “clean” except for the exceptions (if any).

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  10. Siverfiddle has posited several matters to think about regarding abortion and what should now be legal and illegal. Worth reading, IMO.

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  11. bocopro says:

    “I found a subject you don’t have much to say about!”
    Mais no . . . au contraire. I have written volumes on the topic but make no pretenses about having the solution . . . other than self-discipline, that is.

    As I’ve said here before, I write compulsively — poems, stories, critiques, rants, essays, whatevers.

    What I’ve learned about my li’l hobby is that in the longer, more complex discussions, particularly my novellas, quite often my characters expose things about my inner personality that would best be shielded from public view.

    My stance – and my advice – on the abortion issue is convoluted, sometimes a bit murky, and rather savage. I’ve also learned from my surrogate self in my stories and novellas that my treatment of those who use abortion as some sort of emetic for a distasteful meal or a solvent for a stained conscience would be brutal, and certainly unconstitutional.

    Ergo I go with Sam Clement’s sage advice that ’tis better to keep one’s trap shut and be thought a fool than to let it flap and remove all doubt.

    If there’s to be a judgment by a higher court once we’ve shuffled off our mortal coils, then I’ll go with Paul’s advice to the Romans in 12:19.

    In most cases, my attitude parallels the 5th Commandment (murder).

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  12. Z,
    Is a baby less viable and less welcome to a full and happy life because its father was a rapist? NOT SAYING I FEEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, but……it’s worth some thought, I think!? If we are ones who say A BABY IS VIABLE AS AN EMBRYO, how can we kill because it’s a product of rape?

    I can’t speak for others, but if such a think had happened to me, I could not have endured 9 months of carrying a possible psycho’s baby to term. Just sayin’.

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  13. geeez2014 says:

    FJ…every doctor I know can pinpoint VERY closely the age of the fetus… But I TOTALLY see your point about “0”

    BOCOPRO…thanks, I get that……yes on Paul and yes on the Commandments.

    AOW….I can barely imagine ANY woman able to comfortably carry a baby of rape or incest to full term.
    Then the question is, and this is often mentioned lately: Is the woman more important or the potential baby? This is NOT an easy question, is it!!!

    SOmething that came up last night with friends was the fact that if a pregnant woman is killed, the court usually (or always?) charges for TWO murders.
    So it’s murder if the baby was only 3 WEEKS old and his mother was killed………..but it’s NOT murder if the mother is alive and does away with her 3 wk old embryo.

    WOWZA, there’s a question!!

    OFF TOPIC: I have THE HEARINGS on here and again, I”M LAUGHING, I can’t help myself! The INFERENCES, the leading questions…. and Cassy Hutchinson’s clear slamming of employers who thought she was a loyal employee…….
    They take the slightest remark of Trump an extrapolate positively AMAZING information from it ….always reflecting THEIR goals, of course.

    Republicans at the WH that day around Trump are quaking, BELIEVE ME…..

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  14. geeez2014 says:

    MAN, I WISH THE LEFTWING PRESIDENTS HAD THIS KIND OF SCRUTINY BEING SHOWN TRUMP IN THESE HEARINGS……..CAN YOU IMAGINE NO RECENT PRESIDENT BEING HORRIBLY UPSET AND SAYING THINGS HE WOULDN’T SAY WHEN CALMER?

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  15. geeez2014 says:

    “was this the only incident you recall where the president threw dishes like that?” (Um, Liz, that’s not part of the investigation here….that’s just ‘juicy’ for you…get it?)

    “There were several times he threw dishes or flipped the table cloth, causing everything to break on the floor.”

    lovely.

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  16. MAL says:

    I’ll just add one thought: A baby becomes a year old 12 months after it is born, ergo, not considered a completed being until it leaves its mother. And if we are to consider it murder to abort, why isn’t also taking a pill that prevents the egg from being fertilized? Can we see where this all could lead us?
    In the end, the government should stay out of it because the decision isn’t in their job description.

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  17. geeez2014 says:

    MAL…if that birth control pill works, there is no baby…..every egg isn’t an embryo, of course.

    What I wonder about is that, apparently, there’s an abortion pill……I hadn’t known that, or have forgotten since the days my friends and I were worrying about this stuff 🙂 This, I believe, is what the idiot Biden meant when he spoke of “THEY’LL GO INTO YOUR MEDICINE CHESTS TO MAKE SURE YOU DON”T HAVE THEM and CHECKING YOUR CELL PHONES TO SEE IF YOU’D BOUGHT THEM!”

    Yes, gov’t should stay out…I lean in that direction; On the other hand, my faith tells me that embryo IS LIFE and NOT allowing killing babies to happen is the better way.

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    MARK MEADOWS’ AID testified ” SHe felt disgusted at Trump’s unpatriotic, unamerican treatment of Mark Pence”
    That, to ME, has NOTHING to do with this hearing………..this is inference, her feelings………nobody cares but those who MUST get Trump.

    I do NOT believe she’s a liar…but her feelings about things are irrelevant. There’re enough HORRID things we learned today without her feelings.

    Mark Meadows did say “The president doesn’t care what happens to Pence…he deserves it”..>That’s not criminal, either…that’s how he felt……..

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  19. Baysider says:

    What makes an unborn baby different from you and me? Location and stage of development. Is it going to be a dog? An eagle (it would have better protections then!)? No. A human. If it’s not a human there is no argument against abortion. If it is a human there is no excuse for it. We have to know what we’re talking about. When your 3-year old says “mommy can I kill it?” don’t you want to know first if it’s a fly or her baby brother?

    Yet, are there times when it’s highly advised to kill that child? When an ugly but necessary choice has to be made? I believe so. I don’t think a woman should be forced to carry a child that in sound medical opinion has a high chance of endangering her life. We have to have room for that. But that room is a phone booth, not a stadium. The problem is, there is way too much money to be made for packing the stadium. This is both from the millions – or is it billions? – from the actual abortion, and from selling the body parts too.

    To the argument that we have too many unwanted children who are becoming mean little criminals I posit: wait until you see them becoming mean little criminals. Then kill ’em.

    A good friend with a devout Catholic mother told me that her mother purposely chose to deliver her babies with a doctor affiliated with Cedar’s Sinai instead of the very fine local [and closer] Catholic hospital specifically so if she had last minute complications, the hospital of Jewish influence would make saving the mother the primary effort. She did not believe St. John’s would. I can’t speak to how real a ‘danger’ that was in 1960, but it was real enough to her. It’s one of those throbbing choices.

    That caller’s story is so painful.

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  20. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER, I usually ask “is it an Amana Refrigerator?” But yes…..
    Wishing more people felt like we do …. But, alas.

    My dear Jewish friends who are trained rabbis are so sad about the contemporary belief that Jews DO believe in abortion…that there’s evidence in Exodus, etc…because most Jewish synagogues have gone SO far Left in general, that’s the opinion……but it is NOT, not in the Jewish faith it isn’t. Jews are told to stand by PRO LIFE.
    I think the mother of your friend is totally wrong about St John’s, particularly back then…talk about pro life….? Ask a Catholic! 🙂 At least, in those days.

    Yes, body parts and abortions; the two largest income sources of Planned Parenthood…some are saying they’ll now become what they call NAVIGATORS, nickname for “Those of us who’ll get you travel arrangements to another PP so you can kill that baby in a better state”. Seriously.

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  21. Baysider says:

    Catholic hospitals had a reputation for making the baby’s life a priority over the mother. Again, I don’t know how well earned that “reputation” was. I heard it from more than one person, and while that does not make it true, this at least was from a devout Catholic who acted on what she believed was true.

    I find it interesting that Biden used the “checking your cell phones” example. He knows full well the surveillance capability on cell phones. It’s underway now with great commercial value, something not missed by a single authoritarian.

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  22. Elizabeth says:

    Z, and AOW I see both your points. Who are we to decide when life is not worth giving birth to. A ministry told of a story, a true story, that a woman was raped and carried it to term then gave it to a couple in the church who was childless to adopt. I imagine that woman went through much, had the fear of God in her not to commit murder, and had many around her to support her. It was admirable and commendable and I wish all women could be like her, but given the same circumstances, many women would not have a church or community or even family to support their choice.

    For me, I have to say I cannot answer that. AOW has a point, if you are raped by a psycho and lets suppose that “psycho” or whatever is wrong is passed down from genetics does one want to be responsible for bringing another psycho into the world?

    In a perfect world, that child would be loved, cared for, and given help if they had issues and hopefully would have a good church background and moral compass. Only God knows the heart of those women in those circumstances. Personally, at a younger age, I could not do it, but at my age now (and I cannot get pregnant I am middle aged) but if I still could I would carry to term and put the baby up for adoption knowing what I know Biblically now.

    L

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  23. MAL says:

    I don’t like the idea of abortion, believe me. I just try to stand back and see the whole picture. Look, the fetus doesn’t belong to the government or even the church, but in our society we must consider them both. In the final analysis it has to be the mother’s choice.

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  24. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER…Who knows what that truth is….I just know a living, adult mother with a husband and family waiting outside for news would rarely be put aside for the birth of a newborn…..but, whatever..

    And oh, yes..Biden’s WELL aware of any kind of surveillance, isn’t he!

    ELIZABETH…we were very different when younger, weren’t we.

    MAL: it’s a TOUGH question, for sure, and this ruling has definitely opened a HUUUUUGE bag of worms.
    .

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  25. geeez2014 says:

    Hillary CLinton has just said how CLARENCE THOMAS is a ‘man of grievance’…”I went to law school with him, he is a man of grievance, anger, ..” etc. ALL negative.

    I read his autobiography, maybe one of the best I’ve ever read, and it is joyous, optimistic and abounding in kindness…as Justice Sotomayor just said about him…”He knows everybody in the Courthouse’s names and cares about everyone.”

    I loved his book so much I wrote him a letter…I NEVER do things like that!…he WROTE BACK, in handwriting, on SCOTUS stationery, thanking me! Amazing man.

    Hillary, you HORRIBLE NASTY TERMAGANT…. BITE ME. Leave a wonderful man ALONE.

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  26. -FJ says:

    FJ…every doctor I know can pinpoint VERY closely the age of the fetus…

    Sure, once it’s DEAD and lying on the examining table…

    Think any of them would call the cops on the mom at that point? And didn’t they “aid & abet” the crime?

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  27. -FJ says:

    No… self reporting by abortion providers will NOT due…

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  28. geeez2014 says:

    FJ…could be…Every pregnant friend or relative I know comes from an OBGYN appointment saying “i’m 7 weeks pregnant”, etc.

    No, they will NOT self report…that’s for sure!

    Talk about self-reporting…I just read that a nurse who misread a label and killed a patient was released five years ago because it was clear it wasn’t intentional, it was clear how that happened, etc., and NOW she’s been taken to court and found GUILTY. Nurses are saying that, now that we have far fewer cops and firemen and politicians and teachers and flight attendants and air traffic controllers, and SO many docs retired when Obama Care came in and more since the technology heightened, they’re predicting nurses won’t be around much if they’re not covered by those who should stand by them\

    What the HECK is happening to our country? I LITERALLY had to change the channel several times today watching the news………..
    The 1/6 hearing, hearing Karine Jean-Pierre insist our borders are closed! (are you KIDDING?!!), crime numbers, 50 migrants dying from heat and blaming US…etc etc.

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  29. geeez2014 says:

    MOST OF YOU HAVEN’T HEARD THE NIGHTMARE TESTIMONY CASSIDY HUTCHINSON GAVE TODAY…….but, GUESS WHAT!: “Two of my associates were in the Beast with the President and he grabbed the steering wheel and lunged for their clavicles so they wouldn’t take him to the White House!”

    “Peter Alexander
    @PeterAlexander
    🚨 A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.”

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  30. geeez2014 says:

    FJ: Now the Left wants Abortion “Huts” in our National Parks……….picture that.

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  31. geeez2014 says:

    Not “HUTS” …they’re calling them “TENTS”….Elizabeth Warren’s idea, of course.

    I just heard her speak and couldn’t figure out how ANYBODY could get the word ABORTION into one paragraph more than she enjoyed doing.

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  32. geeez2014 says:

    Great line I just saw:

    THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY NOW COULDN’T DEFINE A WOMAN TWO DAYS AGO.

    !!!!

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  33. Baysider says:

    Interesting about the Thomas autobiography. I was just doing more garage cleanout today and came across his book. Hard to let go, but I have to. Even signed. Too much stuff. Still, I found a hard edge in it. I liked it. But there was an edge of reality without its sugar coat. I would NOT describe him as does Hillary. Sounds like she was looking in a mirror.

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  34. Baysider says:

    That’s funny!! Puts a spotlight on the hypocrisy.

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  35. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER…. Thomas isn’t a kid….there might have been a hard edge but he is absolutely an optimist, particularly considering his difficult upbringing, right? I loved his book.

    ALmost as good as Levon Helm’s book about THE BAND 🙂 (for those of you who love rock!)

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  36. geeez2014 says:

    THERE’S A NEW TSHIRT WITH A PICTURE OF CLARENCE THOMAS ON IT AND THE CAPTION IS “THE MAN WHO SAVED MORE BLACK LIVES THAN BLM EVER DID”

    Fascinating..!!!

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  37. Baysider says:

    Hah! Very good. And quick. When I read this story about Hillary I found comments like “That’s hilarious! This guy is always smiling and laughing. Maybe she’s talking about herself.”

    Although seriously, Bill and Hillary must be very tender hearted people. Look at all the suicidal cases they’ve brought into their entourage.

    I was smacked-in-the-face struck by the hard edge in Thomas’s book even though, as I wrote, I liked it and appreciated his honesty in writing about reality.

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  38. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER, I read it so long ago, when it first came out, that all I remember is my admiration and enjoyment and thinking he was a fantastic man……….but I suppose there was a hard edge to it…..he went through some hard times, that’s for sure!!

    Yes, BIll and Hillary had SO many friends who must have come to them for solace before committing suicide! 🙂 HAAAAAAA!

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  39. -FJ says:

    FJ: Now the Left wants Abortion “Huts” in our National Parks……….picture that.

    The US military has already vowed to keep it legal, there.

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  40. -FJ says:

    …on US bases (not National Parks) in abortion prohibited States.

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  41. Z,
    THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY NOW COULDN’T DEFINE A WOMAN TWO DAYS AGO.

    Good one! 😀

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  42. I decided this when I was in my early 20s (after my best friend was raped):

    Were I raped, I’d immediately go to the ER, get those pills they give you, then have a D&C — if for no other reason than to protect against infection (STD).

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  43. What does the Bible say about rape and the products of conception?

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  44. MAL says:

    Dunno, AOW.
    It could say there’s no such thing as rape because a woman can run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down!

    (Sorry! Couldn’t resist)!

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  45. geeez2014 says:

    AOW,..,.as you know, the Bible says nothing about abortion at all………but it’s full of LIFE, the LOVE OF LIFE………
    And, of course, putting the Scriptures aside, many of us feel it’s murder…..and the Bible’s pretty clear on that, isn’t it!!
    I wonder…if we believe God initiated that life….is it less life because of rape? I think this is why Catholics were against even contraception, not so sure about that now….
    BELIEVE ME, I’m not arguing here, or don’t mean to, I lost this kind of conversation in order for ME to get MY head straight, so keep going…I appreciate your comments!

    FJ! I’m so glad you brought that up….If the FEDS say NO ABORTION except if decided upon in the States, how can people think using FEDERAL lands for abortion works? Yes, I hear the Pentagon is not going to follow fed guidelines but I can understand that since women in the military might be living at a base in Georgia and have an unwanted pregnancy and it was legal in their home state….it’s complicated, isn’t it? HUGE questions will come from this ruling.

    MAL: I wouldn’t use that ‘funny’ sentence to much around women who might have been raped if I were you 🙂

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  46. MAL says:

    I agree, Z. Not funny to ones that’ve experienced it.

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