“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”    Plato

I think this well describes the gun situation in America today…..Who knew someone would understand this concept so many years ago and we’re too dumb (or too intent on being politically correct) to get it right today?


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13 Responses to PLATO

  1. bocopro says:

    Problem is . . . we have an entire class of people who make a more-than-comfortable living by finding laws which allow do-badders to get around the law.

    And they’re encouraged by an equally wealthy elected sector of society which genuinely believes that erecting “Gun Free Zone” signs and huge obstacles for law-abiding citizens to obtain guns will make us safe from deranged and evil misfits who consider laws merely suggestions for white people, law-enforcement agents oppressors, and government a cornucopia.


  2. Mustang says:

    “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.” As Ron suggests, above, we have too many laws. Well, the problem is that we have too many lawmakers, and the higher our population of citizens, the more congress critters we get inside the House of Representatives. Now, I’ll agree that there is some benefit to keeping lawyers out of the bars, but we should be sticking them in places where they can do the least harm — not in Congress, where they can (and do) do the most harm. Or, as ambassadors … where they always seem to muddle up things. I’m thinking back to what my grandmother used to tell me — that too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Maybe we’ve taken “democracy” to the level of ludicrous. Maybe we need to back off a bit. Everyone has an opinion, of course, but over time, fewer of these opinions are based on common sense and that’s how we ended up with politicians in the first place.


  3. geeez2014 says:

    BOCOPRO… So true…..Who cares about laws, right? They don’t HAVE to!. Talk about ‘white people’, it is so awful that it’s rarely mentioned that nearly ALL deaths in urban cities are black on black crime…young kids killed for nothing.

    MUSTANG…. Interesting thought; How do you envision backing “off a bit” from democracy. I don’t disagree…we’re now being ‘ruled’ by a tyranny of the minority in the form of wokeness…….2 people complain and 1000 concert goers are deprived of the experience, etc etc…..


  4. Mustang says:

    After more than two hundred years of this, I’m not sure we could ever change the way we do business, but let’s face it … if our national population should reach (say) 1 billion people, then someone should be thinking about a new capitol building because the old one won’t be big enough to house all those members of the House.

    You asked for some ideas.

    Maybe members of Congress can begin working from home and using Zoom for doing their monkey business.

    How about this one: TWO SENATORS from each state (as we do now) and (are you sitting down?) TWO REPRESENTATIVES from each state. (Major cost savings). Go back to Senators representing their state legislatures, with representatives representing the people of the state.

    Put ankle bracelets on everyone that draws a government paycheck.

    Make election fraud a capital offense.

    Once a year, announce a six-week “open season” for all elected officials.

    Do away with the Secret Service. Right now, presidents are far too smug about their safety, which is why they look down their noses at us.

    That should do it, but I’m open to additional suggestions. 🙂


  5. -FJ says:

    “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
    ― Tacitus, “The Annals of Imperial Rome”

    “Forbidden things have a certain charm.”
    ― Tacitus

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  6. MAL says:

    All great comments. Mustang, your grandma quote certainly hit home. Yes….too much of a good thing CAN be a bad thing, as we’ve witnessed. Truth be known, dunno if I’d really want to go back to EVERYTHING we had before WW ll. I’m spoiled the same as everyone else!


  7. geeez2014 says:

    MUSTANG! Good list 🙂 I like the Election Fraud capital offense…
    “OPEN SEASON”? HA!!! You mean other than on SCOTUS Justices like the Left has NOW ?!!!! 🙂
    And good point….we WOULD need a larger building!

    BUT, regarding drawing a bit back from DEMOCRACY, as you’d suggested in your previous comment….could you imagine how that COULD work? Of course, we know the Left would think any Republican even suggesting it was a total FASCIST! 🙂

    FJ…GREAT quotes…very pertinent to PLATO’s…thank yoU! SO TRUE!! Tacitus’ is virtually the same as Plato’s, isn’t it.

    MAL: That’s a good thing to talk about….what we’d give up NOW to have the good things of “before WWII” 🙂 I so see your point.


  8. geeez2014 says:

    hAVE YOU ALL SEEN THAT? Can Mayor Adams of NYC REALLY be THIS DUMB? He’s blaming the border states for the immigrants coming into NYC? Says they should “keep them THERE?” HOW? WOW…..I can’t stand the guy from what I hear, but this is a new low even for HIM. Move over, DeBlasio…they found one just like you again.


  9. bunkerville says:

    Congressional office was never to be considered a full time job as our founders envisioned.. Maybe more like Texas… every two years they get together as I recall. They seem to have gotten Texas on an even keel..

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  10. MAL says:

    That’s like many things, Bunker. Whether it’s a temporary office, position, or a tax, it often ends up being permanent. Once they get their foot in the door……………………


  11. Baysider says:

    All politicians (and more and more judges and bureaucrats) will find ways around laws. What does that say about them? (Nothing we don’t already know. 🙂 )

    Most law codifies morality in some way. (Yes, you can and usually DO legislate morality.) We’re at the point where if it’s not written down and specified, the moral lawbreaker – long separated from his innate moral compass and rudder – says “see, it’s not illegal” when it’s patently a bad idea. So others pile on to restrain their actions. Anything that is left out is met with “see, it’s not illegal!” A real estate agent in LA told me the listing agreement was 3 pages when she was first licensed. Several years later after the Shah fell (and with a large influx of a group who had this attitude in spades and who went into the real estate business) the listing agreement expanded to 13 pages to attempt to restrain and corral behavior.

    To Mustang’s list I might gently add “institute an American version of Prime Minister’s questions.” Maybe Joe could just send Psaki in. Entertaining, at least.

    I would NOT allow them to work from home. They MUST appear. But only for a 6- or 8-week session then bye-bye for any more mischief that year! (Shades of Bunk’s idea – hear, hear!) I might move the capitol to the center of the country. There’s a thought. And give D.C. back to Maryland.


  12. MAL says:

    BAY, I believe China already owns D.C!


  13. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER, and in Germany, I remember Mr. Z showing me A FILE CABINET that was ALL the precedents in Germany…ONE FILE CAB!! Our lawyers are killing us. In France, there will be a huge hole in the sidewalk and barely the yellow tape we’d have…’s like the French say “Well, if someone’s stupid enough to fall in, that’s their problem” and there’s no law against it!!! I remember being in a famous bistro in Paris and the bathroom stairs down were SO steep that when I came back to our table, I said “If this was America and the staircase was THAT steep, there’d be a card table with lawyers sitting there waiting for someone to fall!”


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