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AFTER LIFE?  Kind of interesting stuff here from NeuroScience News:

Summary: 1 in 5 people who receive CPR report lucid experiences of death while they are seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death. The lucid experiences appear to be different from hallucinations, dreams, illusions, and delusions. Researchers found during these experiences the brain has heightened activity and markers for lucidity, suggesting the human sense of self, like other biological functions, may not completely stop around the time of death.

Source: NYU Langone  (Hospital in NYC..where Dr. Segal is on the staff)

One in five people who survive cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) after cardiac arrest may describe lucid experiences of death that occurred while they were seemingly unconscious and on the brink of death, a new study shows.

Led by researchers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine and elsewhere, the study involved 567 men and women whose hearts stopped beating while hospitalized and who received CPR between May 2017 and March 2020 in the United States and United Kingdom. Despite immediate treatment, fewer than 10% recovered sufficiently to be discharged from hospital.

Survivors reported having unique lucid experiences, including a perception of separation from the body, observing events without pain or distress, and a meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others. The researchers found these experiences of death to be different from hallucinations, delusions, illusions, dreams or CPR-induced consciousness. (https://neurosciencenews.com/lucid-dying-cpr-21785/#:~:text=Summary%3A%201%20in%205%20people%20who%20receive%20CPR,be%20different%20from%20hallucinations%2C%20dreams%2C%20illusions%2C%20and%20delusions.)

This post is mostly for my Christian believer friends….What does this sound like to YOU?:

“….a perception of separation from the body, observing events without pain or distress, and a meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others.”

Sounds like a person at the Pearly Gates to ME!!  ???   Believer or non-believer, who knows?  We know we are forgiven of sin for our faith in Christ, but we may ourselves think of our actions during our lifetimes as we get that close to moving on!!

I found this account of 1 of 5 people who are dying absolutely FASCINATING.

Have a wonderful Sunday!!

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24 Responses to Sunday Faith Blog

  1. Mustang says:

    I would be interested in knowing more about this. The common denominator for the study appears to be “heart attacks,” but I wonder if there was also an age-factor analysis to accompany it.

    Here are my thoughts (even if you didn’t ask for them): as we age, our hormones diminish. One of these hormones is epinephrine (a.k.a. adrenalin) — the so-called fight or flight chemical. So I wonder if we come to a point where our brain thinks that we are on the edge of death (particularly among older people) there is a burst (release) of stored epinephrine which gives us that wondrous out-of-body experience.

    I agree — fascinating study. Someone once told me that in his view, all living things operate like batteries, such that the function of living is a chemical-electrical process. Plants, with their relationship to photosynthesis, operate similarly to solar panels, while animals rely on Vitamin D (and maybe others we aren’t aware of) to keep their internal batteries running — and this process continues until the body is no longer able to store and reuse energy. In time, diminished energy causes the body to die. Diseases occur when the chemical energy inside our bodies (battery) reaches a kind of low tide — the “immune system,” perhaps, being no longer able to fight naturally occurring bacteria or viruses, opens the door to a terminal pathway.

    Truly, I have no clue. Things like this are way over my head. But thank you for the read.

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  2. geeez2014 says:

    MUSTANG,; Good ideas on life/death, etc………thanks for that.
    What I found most interesting was “a perception of separation from the body, observing events without pain or distress, and a meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others.”

    I like a “meaningful evaluation of life and our actions, etc., separation from body,” which begs the question WHAT separates from the body?!!….the, dare we say, SOUL?! are the things that really got me fascinated about the information.

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  3. bocopro says:

    Long before there was a clickable internet, I had a habit of researching issues, problems, phenomena for which there seemed to be no simple answers.

    Used real books, too, and tried to find consensus among ‘em with support from stuff the librarians won’t let you check out – the jealously guarded research section.

    For example, I was fascinated by the slab stones at Baalbek, the masonry at Teotihuacan and Sacsayhuaman, Pumapunku, Stonehenge, the Giza pyramids . . .

    Then as part of my pre-reqs for a teaching license, I did several courses in psych and sociology, during which I read about Erikson’s 8 stages of life.

    Unable to swallow reincarnation or an afterlife destination based on the mandates of a vengeful and jealous god who somehow matured into a forgiving and loving one, I finally concluded that as with invertebrates, lower-order mammals, even great apes, when it’s over it’s over.

    The white light reported by hundreds, perhaps thousands, of persons experiencing near-death-episodes (NDE) is similar to what happens when the signal to your digital device is either over- or under-driven: you get video confusion or blank screen.

    For several decades I was immortal, bulletproof, and in many ways downright special. But now at 82, I am definitely in Erikson’s 8th stage and have reconciled myself to “the end.”

    To avoid prolix discussion, lemme just offer this short clip as a fairly decent summary of my research into NDEs. The narrator talks too fast, and she coulda used some better examples, but her explanation is one of the most reasonable I’ve seen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v#9614D93

    Regarding the soul, I’ll send you my essay on that sepcor; you can dump it if you like.

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  4. geeez2014 says:

    BOCOPRO “Unable to swallow reincarnation or an afterlife destination based on the mandates of a vengeful and jealous god who somehow matured into a forgiving and loving one,”

    Amazing…and not the God I study! Vengeful in His desire for all to live lives of Godliness…then the how-to’s 🙂

    I may have time to see your vid tomorrow…I’m going out to see Mom today at the Rehab………But I have read a TON on NDE’s and there can’t be too much new.

    Mostly, obviously, we veer toward where we feel inclined……our attitudes toward faith, non-faith, etc., so the ones that really get ME is the doctors who tell a heart transplant patient friend “I just cut you up and sew you back, I treat…God HEALS”

    Or the doctors who’ve ‘died’ and come back, and become people of faith, or stronger faith.

    All good……

    I’m reading Harris Falkner’s amazing book FAITH STILL MOVES MOUNTAINS….I’m stunned at the astonishing stories where prayer made a difference…..and what peace it gives.
    Faith gives peace……….no explanation; it just DOES give more peace than zero faith.

    BUT, chacun a son gout!!

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  5. kidme37 says:

    I have had a ‘life flashing before my eyes’ experience. It does include an out of body feeling and no pain. I don’t believe my heart ever stopped beating.

    I will just say the human mind is capable of taking you to any number of places and seeing all sorts of things.

    In the end we will never really know until we take that journey permanently.

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  6. kidme37 says:

    Oh, PS. I did read that the human brain remains active for 30 minutes after death and the person is able to hear those around them talking, or whatever sounds are present.

    True? Well, we do have the ability to measure brain activity so the answer could easily be put to bed in a controlled situation with a willing terminal patient(s) if it hasn’t already.

    Seeing my life flash before my eyes, I was left with the feeling of judging myself/life. I wonder if we don’t judge ourselves at death.

    A very interesting subject.

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  7. Baysider says:

    Could not find an NDE video on BP’s link. But have seen credible documentary of “remote viewing” experiences which support the idea that some ‘thing’ that is ‘us’ is able to separate from the physical body and experience something else even in the physical world. Common reports of these come from people who are in some ghastly accident and realize ‘they’ are separate from the broken injured body they are looking down on as emergency help arrives. Some psychologists believe this is a protective mechanism to remove us from the horror. Others suggest there is more going on here.

    One woman in a hospital reported seeing a single red shoe on the hospital roof as she traveled out of body, through the building and beyond. She ‘came back’ revived and reported. Only the building maintenance people had access to the locked roof. They went up there and looked. Sure enough. A single red shoe was where she reported it.

    Then there is the case of a mother of 2 very young children who was extremely ill with pericarditis. It was a full year before she was able to get well. In the worst of it, she experienced leaving the body. She was in horrible pain, immobilized, and could not even reach the bell she kept bedside to summon help. Then ‘it’ let go.

    The feeling was described as unzipping from your spine, then free floating up to the top of the room. She saw her body lying below. It looked lifeless, but she was full of life and cognition. Then she was out through the roof with ease, going above familiar trees which she recognized even from this most unfamiliar angle. Then farther away to a space she did not know, leaving everything below and finally seeing a light ahead. She believed it was for her. Then a dark thought penetrated all this, of leaving 2 young children motherless. At that point she began a struggle to stay, to not abandon those kids. And soon found herself back in a body and in great pain.

    Afraid of being considered a nut in 1957 she never told anyone. Then when I was about 14 and some of these phenomena came to light she told me. For this woman was my mother.

    And BP, I know we’ll disagree. God has always been portrayed as a God of love, compassion and mercy as well as the one being who has the authority to take vengeance on those who do not repent of their crimes against Him. We see it in the story of the first great sin and providing a literal covering for it and a symbolic one through the promise of His plan to buy back men out of their lives of rebellion.

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  8. kidme37 says:

    Baysider, I’ve had the ‘red shoe’ experience, but with something else of course and I was not in a near death situation, so I called it astral projection. Also when I broke my leg badly in 1968, I didn’t feel a thing until a doc had it in a cast, then the next 3 days I can’t remember.

    Not countering your story or anyone else’s, just a variation on a similar event.

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  9. bocopro says:

    Well . . . lemme put it this way: the Baptist preachers my grandmother foisted upon me as an impressionable young child made the god of the OT a wrathful, punishing, angry one.

    He forbade Moses’ entrance into the Promised Land for arguing with him, He smote Sodom and Gomorrah, and His very first command included a stern warning not to mess with knowledge.

    The First Commandment establishes a tone of jealousy with “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.” He refused Cain’s offering simply because the kid was snotty about giving it and chased the protoparents out of The Garden for the curiosity borne of the free will He gave them.

    Jesus came along later and said, “Look . . . we’ve tried war, conquest, argument, and condescending attitude and all we’ve got for it was enslavement and being run out of town repeatedly. Let’s try kindness, love, patience, and forgiveness.”

    And I have a hard time forgiving Torquemada and the Spanish priests who burned all the Mayan codices because of their inclusion of a greater-than-human serpent in their rituals, which doesn’t differ a whole lot from the serpent in the garden which in essence was suggesting they just test their limits.

    I consider a society with good Christian ethics and morals to be much healthier and humane than one which relies on fear, such as Islam, or no creator, just science. My own set of ethics and morals comes from what those old Baptist preachers instilled in my core . . . “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. . . “Blessed are the meek” . . . “Honor thy father and thy mother” . . . “Thou shall not murder” . . . “Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” . . . “Thou shalt not steal” . . . “Bear not false witness against thy neighbor” . . .

    But of the various thousands of sects based upon INRI . . . Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Pentacostal, Presbyterian, LDS, Catholic . . . they can’t all be right, and some even go so far as to say that those with divergent interpretations of Scripture have closed the Heavenly Gates on themselves.

    My grandmother was a fine woman and her faith in Jesus made her even better. My wife is a devout Catholic who’s always doing rosaries, novenas, devotionals, and masses. They were friendly and respected each other . . . but my grandmother firmly believed that my wife was breaking the 2nd Commandment by having so many images of popes and saints, statuettes of favorite religious figures, and all the other Catholic trappings and feared she might not be allowed into Heaven because of it.

    That’s why I tend to go along with (1) the Golden Rule, (2) Buddhism, and (3) several Bible passages which caution against listening to those who claim to know what’s in the mind of God. IOW, I can do whatever makes me happy until what I’m doing interferes with the rights of others to do what makes them happy . . . and pay no heed to the Torquemadas and Koreshes and Joneses and others who profess to be the arbiters of The Creator’s will.

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  10. bocopro says:


    Maybe this link is better . . . maybe not —

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  11. Baysider says:

    BP – that’s an interesting and thoughtful expansion on your perspective. At least we agree that a society with “good Christian ethics” (and I’d add those who practice them!) is superior to many choices. Jefferson thought that too.

    Yes, wrath without love, and love without wrath – both are unbalanced equations. And yes again that the various systems can’t all be right with certain core precepts that are in direct opposition to each other. (They could all be wrong – but that’s another topic.)

    It is often hard to put God first in our lives with even good and necessary distractions. Those of us who believe His power and authority turn to this one first – in love, reverence and awe that He is above all others. Yup, poor Moses ‘ruined’ God’s little vignette of foreshadowing His solution – that of only needing to strike down the rock once and thereafter you could ‘commune’ with it by speech – in direct disobedience because he lost his temper. We have no reason to suspect Moses was deprived of eternal encomiums, but only of that one cherished earthly blessing. Our lesson is to understand Moses is not a unique case, and to examine our own lives.

    Jesus was all you say about love and kindness – and more. He also said he came to bring war and division in families as they fall out over opinions of him. He was perfectly capable of creating a scene in the temple, overturning the tables of merchants who ought not be there, and driving them out with a whip. I suspect you might agree with his assessment of the formal religious leadership of his day, “who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers.” A “generation of vipers” whose “throat is like an open grave.” I might make the same charge today of similar folk. Sobering to all of us to look after our house well.

    Yes, only 4 Mayan codices remain. So much damage done in the ‘name’ of religion. Stealing people, stealing hearts, stealing lives. Keeps getting back to the same “watch yourself” first cuz you are the one thing you have control over.

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  12. MAL says:

    I believe most of us have heard about people near death being operated on, floating above, watching the surgical team work frantically to save them. Most awoke later and explained what they saw, even what they said.

    Kid, I hope we won’t have to judge ourselves ’cause I’ll be screwed!

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  13. Baysider says:

    BP Thanks for the video. I’ve heard all those, and without the ability to prove or disprove they are realistic and provocative theories. I’m a fan of Dr. Andrew Huberman’s podcast. He’s a great teacher who is a professor of neurobiology at Stanford. There is indeed much more power in the brain than we realize. It makes sense that at some point as we cross over from fully alive to losing it, that our brain could kick in some of these last, saving pushes. Perhaps that is what brings some people back.

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  14. MAL says:

    There are so many things we don’t understand in this world. One of the many things I find fascinating is unlimited space. Our minds find that impossible. If there IS any kind of end, what’s beyond that? One possibility I heard was you would eventually come back to where we are. Okay. That would be a circle. What’s outside of the circle?
    Another thing is if we are intellectually superior to other life on this earth, why is it many birds and animals know beforehand about earthquakes, tidal waves, etc. and start running or flying away from it as they do? We’re suppose to be the intellectuals. Why can’t WE know what’s coming? We still don’t know or are certain about a lot of things on our planet, like Stonehenge, the great pyramids, etc. We understand so little. As to the afterlife………we’ll all find out soon enough, right?

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  15. geeez2014 says:

    KID…” I wonder if we don’t judge ourselves at death.” and I wonder what might prompt us to even judge…good from bad. WHo set the standard?
    Yes, I’ve also heard much of what you’ve said about NDE’s…that’s why I found this information so fascinating.

    BOCOPRO…”the Baptist preachers my grandmother foisted upon me as an impressionable young child made the god of the OT a wrathful, punishing, angry one.”

    Of course he was! As I said, He wanted all to come to him for eternal life…He had every right to be very angry, but it took him a VERY long time to get that angry, as Scripture tells us.

    And Jesus didn’t kill anyone, by the way………and NO Christian would kill as you describe….Those are PEOPLE who believe they’re doing the right thing… and they’re not.
    Lutheran, Methodist, etc etc…ALL have the same basic concept……they only differ in ‘cultural’ ways, mostly….with slight differences in baptism, etc.
    THese are MEN’S INVENTIONS. THere ARE no Lutherans or Methodists or Catholics in the Bible, trust me.

    I really don’t ever intend to ‘argue’ the existence of God here………

    All I meant to publish this information today was because it’s SO VERY like we’re told of Heaven…..
    I’ve read WAAY too much about NDE’s over the years…before being a stronger believer and after………and none of it was quite what this article noticed in many patients….

    THe red shoe, very well known story……..People looking down on their bodies, sometimes in surgery…very commonplace……….

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  16. Baysider says:

    Mal – interesting about the animals, but I don’t think this is intellectually derived. More some kind of vibe deeply sensed. Still … fascinating.

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  17. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER, I was hoping you’d see what I see in the words which are the only reason I got on this galdarn subject today!
    I find it beyond fascinating that so many of those things 1 out of 5 after CPR experience are practically Biblical heaven protocol!

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  18. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER…that comment sounds like I’m saying you let me down! I’m SO SORRY as it’s not what I mean….!! Just that you’d addressed everyone’s comments and I didn’t see what you thought of mine…since we’re in the same Bible study, I was particularly eager to hear what you think! 🙂

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  19. Baysider says:

    I was intrigued by the “awareness without distress” part a lot! Wish we could do that every day.

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  20. Baysider says:

    And by the time I’d read BP’s posts I was way beyond your question. So many people of different backgrounds report a similar type of experience. It would suggest the transition through that door into the next place of existence does not hold terror at the moment of passing. Comforting. And with this state of consciousness what does that mean for people who are informed about Jesus and God’s design but never chose to take His gift? Can this state of mind process and make a last minute decision?

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  21. MAL says:

    You know, Bay, animals DO have different senses than humans. Just look at a dog whistle, for example. We don’t hear it but they sure do. Look how horses can act when there doesn’t seem to be anything to disturb them…………then whatever it is comes to life. We know so little about all this so anything is possible, right?

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  22. geeez2014 says:

    BAYSIDER… So glad you came back to see my question…you said ” It would suggest the transition through that door into the next place of existence does not hold terror at the moment of passing. Comforting. And with this state of consciousness what does that mean for people who are informed about Jesus and God’s design but never chose to take His gift? Can this state of mind process and make a last minute decision?”

    Yes, no terror, but that’s in other religions, too, isn’t it. And comforting, yes.
    We are told what it means to not accept His gift…but I DEFINITELY believe in last minute decisions…….I do believe God gives chances….
    And I believe this part of the info in my post works with that “meaningful evaluation of life, including of their actions, intentions and thoughts toward others.” What else could that mean but people see their lives and see their actions but NOT only that….the intentions and thoughts TOWARD others…how we treated others, as we’re told SO MANY TIMES in the Bible…..Love Thy Neighbor…as yourself. etc etc etc etc etc! Right?!
    That’s the part that got ME…that’s the part I don’t personally see in all the ‘end of life’ beliefs of others.

    MAL: I think animals are extra sensitive to movement, for example…why they sense earthquakes before we sense them, etc.

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  23. geeez2014 says:

    Goodnight, everybody! Sleep well!

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  24. Baysider says:

    My animal senses my movement to the combing station and the feeding station when I just look in that direction!

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